Air Force dropped the ball on Texas shooter

[ThunderCat98]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...rch-shooting-bad-conduct-discharge/index.html

Some bureaucrat paper-pusher failed to do their job properly, which allowed this jacka$$ to buy guns from a licensed dealer.

Could he have got the guns anyways? Probably. But that doesn't excuse the fact that a breakdown in the documentation process gave him easy access.

 

[i am herdman]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...rch-shooting-bad-conduct-discharge/index.html

Some bureaucrat paper-pusher failed to do their job properly, which allowed this jacka$$ to buy guns from a licensed dealer.

Could he have got the guns anyways? Probably. But that doesn't excuse the fact that a breakdown in the documentation process gave him easy access.

Probably some token hire they couldn't get rid of not doing their job.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

Probably some token hire they couldn't get rid of not doing their job.

Yep that’s racist or sexist. Take your pick.

 

[extragreen]

So, we have military bureaucrats making token hires that they can't get rid of. That military union just be powerful.

 

[WV-FAN]

So, we have military bureaucrats making token hires that they can't get rid of. That military union just be powerful.

just think, if they'd hire a couple more, they could make certain the job got done properly.

 

[i am herdman]

So, we have military bureaucrats making token hires that they can't get rid of. That military union just be powerful.

Govt workers who don't do their job are common and they are hard to get rid of.

 

[i am herdman]

Yep that’s racist or sexist. Take your pick.

It is what it is. But, how do you know? I didn't mention sex or race.

 

[i am herdman]

just think, if they'd hire a couple more, they could make certain the job got done properly.

or there would be two more people sitting around staring at their inbox and being incompetent.

 

[WV-FAN]

or there would be two more people sitting around staring at their inbox and being incompetent.

yeah, but, we need bigger gubment! ain't that, @extragreen!!!

 

[herdfan429]

What the actual problem is is that the UCMJ doesnt differentiate between simple assault and domestic assault. Therefore very few cases of domestic abuse are being reported to NCICs. Instead of either side spewing drivel lets actually figure out how we can better enforce current laws.

 

[extragreen]

just think, if they'd hire a couple more, they could make certain the job got done properly.

Govt workers who don't do their job are common and they are hard to get rid of.

or there would be two more people sitting around staring at their inbox and being incompetent.

yeah, but, we need bigger gubment! ain't that, @extragreen!!!

You get these kind of problems when the majority of your personnel are enlisted men and women.

 

[NutcaseConservative]

The question is how many others are out there that may have slipped through the cracks. And criminals with Federal charges as well. They need to go back and check as many databases as they have to. I don't care how long it takes. If it prevents just one person from dying, then it's worth it.

 

[i am herdman]

You get these kind of problems when the majority of your personnel are enlisted men and women.

It was probably a civilian worker that didn't do the paperwork. Not uniformed in all likelihood. They are usually the problem.

Plus, how do you know you get those kinds of problems with enlisted men and women? What are you even talking about.

 

[SamSwimmer]

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SHEEP THINK THE GOVERNMENT WILL PREVENT A MASSACRE IN TEXAS

 

[extragreen]

It was probably a civilian worker that didn't do the paperwork. Not uniformed in all likelihood. They are usually the problem.

Plus, how do you know you get those kinds of problems with enlisted men and women? What are you even talking about.

Considering the qualifications necessary to work in the air force OSI, you think there's a bunch of incompetent people there.

According to you, those enlisted men and women failed to forward the shooter's information to the data base, which allowed the shooter to pass clearance to purchase guns. Incompetent, lazy, irresponsible enlisted people.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

This is getting worse. Dude escaped from paych custody, tried to get weapons on base to kill his superior officer, just all kinds of red flags, never mind disqualifiers that should have been in the background check system.

The system is broken somewhere. I want Congressional hearings on this. And I want heads to roll. Total bullshit this guy was on the streets and able to purchase guns.

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

The system is broken somewhere. I want Congressional hearings on this. And I want heads to roll. Total bullshit this guy was on the streets and able to purchase guns.

That's the problem in a nut shell. The system is fvcked up, and not even close to working right. Not only do you have that nut on the streets, but there's likely thousands, maybe tens or hundreds of thousand just like him.

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

At some point, we're going to see the big one. I'm thinking some event at a football stadium.

 

[i am herdman]

Considering the qualifications necessary to work in the air force OSI, you think there's a bunch of incompetent people there.

According to you, those enlisted men and women failed to forward the shooter's information to the data base, which allowed the shooter to pass clearance to purchase guns. Incompetent, lazy, irresponsible enlisted people.

Negative. I said some token hire. Not a military member. The govt is full of them. I have dealt with them several times through the years.

Shaniqaua down in HR or down in payroll or the admin office. Not worth a shit and nobody can do anything about it. Not even a damn General can do anything about it.

I never said a word about enlisted people. Those are my people. There are very few service members doing those jobs anymore.

You make shit up.

 

[ThunderCat98]

It could have been a civilian employee or an enlisted person. Doesn't matter. Either the system (i.e., government bureaucracy) or an employee, or employees, dropped the ball. Either way, it's screwed up.

 

[extragreen]

Negative. I said some token hire. Not a military member. The govt is full of them. I have dealt with them several times through the years.

Shaniqaua down in HR or down in payroll or the admin office. Not worth a shit and nobody can do anything about it. Not even a damn General can do anything about it.

I never said a word about enlisted people. Those are my people. There are very few service members doing those jobs anymore.

You make shit up.

I doubt there are token hires working for OSI. You don't get in there easily, and the civilians do the same work as the military personnel. YOU are the one making things up.

 

[i am herdman]

I doubt there are token hires working for OSI. You don't get in there easily, and the civilians do the same work as the military personnel. YOU are the one making things up.

How do you know? There are token hires everywhere. I have seen them in harder places to get into than the place you mention. You ding dong, there are admin people and pencil pushers everywhere. Some of them are not worth a crap.

 

[extragreen]

How do you know? There are token hires everywhere. I have seen them in harder places to get into than the place you mention. You ding dong, there are admin people and pencil pushers everywhere. Some of them are not worth a crap.

I know the same way you know. Just because we have a token hire in the white house doesn't mean they're everywhere.

 

[i am herdman]

I know the same way you know. Just because we have a token hire in the white house doesn't mean they're everywhere.

They are everywhere pretty much everywhere. It happens in the private sector but really happens in govt, even in places like that and even other "high speed places". Full of them.

 

[NutcaseConservative]

At some point, we're going to see the big one. I'm thinking some event at a football stadium.

Say that happens and you have over a thousand people massacred. Is there a certain number that would get you to rethink gun control in this country?

 

[extragreen]

They are everywhere pretty much everywhere. It happens in the private sector but really happens in govt, even in places like that and even other "high speed places". Full of them.

You're probably right. I figure the military (government employees) probably hire and keep more token hires than any other organization or earth.

 

[Walter Brennaneer]

I know the same way you know. Just because we had a token hire in the white house doesn't mean they're everywhere.

FIFY

 

[i am herdman]

You're probably right. I figure the military (government employees) probably hire and keep more token hires than any other organization or earth.

Do you understand how many civilian workers the military has?

 

[extragreen]

Do you understand how many civilian workers the military has?

All token hires. Which is the problem with the military and why it costs so much and wastes so much money. And the military just keeps on hiring them. They never learn.

 

[GK4Herd]

Let's say the system works perfectly and people like the Texas shooter can't get a gun through regular legal channels. How hard is it for someone to get a gun through non legal channels? I'm asking in all sincerity because I am totally out of the gun culture loop. If this guy was denied a gun and no one dropped the ball...could he still not get one easily?

 

[GK4Herd]

So after I posed the question I did a quick search and found that only a small segment (18%) of gun crimes are committed with legally owned guns. Nearly 80% of gun crimes are committed by illegally obtained ones. So my question to liberals here...and I really mean proponents of stricter gun laws...outside of the fact that it would p*** off gun proponents, why do you support additional gun legislation when clearly it doesn't matter? Bad guys are going to get them anyway.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me that additional gun laws aren't addressing the underlying cause of the violence. There is some kind of neurosis eating away at the core of our country that's triggering this violence.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Let's say the system works perfectly and people like the Texas shooter can't get a gun through regular legal channels. How hard is it for someone to get a gun through non legal channels? I'm asking in all sincerity because I am totally out of the gun culture loop. If this guy was denied a gun and no one dropped the ball...could he still not get one easily?

How hard it is to get drugs? Nothing different with guns. And gun sales don't have to be illegal, you can private buy without a background check. A lot of gun owners will only sell, buy, or trade with people they know or people with conceal permits because they don't want to deal with criminals, there is more self-policing among gun owners than the press is aware of. But yes, even if private sales were required to be done with a background check there are plenty of people that would ignore that, and already plenty of criminals that sell to other criminals.

And of course there are straw purchasers, too. Media likes to blame Indiana for all the guns in Chicago and say Indiana has lax gun laws. Lax how? We follow the same federal laws as any other state. Chicago thugs have people with clean records come here and buy guns for them. That's a federal felony. Thugs don't care, and the people that hang with thugs don't care.

 

[GK4Herd]

How hard it is to get drugs? Nothing different with guns. And gun sales don't have to be illegal, you can private buy without a background check. A lot of gun owners will only sell, buy, or trade with people they know or people with conceal permits because they don't want to deal with criminals, there is more self-policing among gun owners than the press is aware of. But yes, even if private sales were required to be done with a background check there are plenty of people that would ignore that, and already plenty of criminals that sell to other criminals.

And of course there are straw purchasers, too. Media likes to blame Indiana for all the guns in Chicago and say Indiana has lax gun laws. Lax how? We follow the same federal laws as any other state. Chicago thugs have people with clean records come here and buy guns for them. That's a federal felony. Thugs don't care, and the people that hang with thugs don't care.

In addition to that I read that guns are one of the most stolen items as well, attributed mostly to how easy they are to resell on the streets and the price that they bring. The article I read said that 1600 guns a day are stolen and over 600,000 per year.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

In addition to that I read that guns are one of the most stolen items as well, attributed mostly to how easy they are to resell on the streets and the price that they bring. The article I read said that 1600 guns a day are stolen and over 600,000 per year.

Yep, that's a lot of what the criminals sell and buy. Trade them for drugs, too. Addicts will steal guns, trade them for drugs, and drug dealers trade guns for more drugs to sell.

 

[i am herdman]

It is like the Gun Show Loophole argument. Buzzword but really a non factor.