So, at the end of Grant Taylor's article in the HD today he noted that James Allen (the 4 star prop RB who had to sit out last year) is no longer part of Herd. Has anyone heard why?
Allen off the team?
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he wasn't on the team, still was in his sitting out year. when guys like this leave school, it's because they weren't going to be eligible.
Not so in his case. From what I hear his work ethic was lacking and he was told he wasn't needed.
I know this is offensive to the "Sports as a Higher Calling" crowd, but in the case of most students who can't meet eligibility requirements (and don't have a severe learning disability), its usually because they've spent their whole lives surrounded by a network of people who kept them eligible by fudging their grades.
I can tell you firsthand that the most famous athlete in Marshall history spent his senior year chilling in a row of plastic chairs in the lobby of his high school, with a challenging schedule of two teachers' assistant classes, and a pair of classes in English and History that were both taught by the same assistant football/basketball coach.
That's really what ineligibility signifies to me - some poor kid whose had his academic shortcomings hidden for years, and suddenly finds himself having to make up for lost time. Don't cry for him too much though, because Marshall does what it can to make sure everyone qualifies - there's the HELP program for those with learning disabilities, tutors, and counselors who will make sure you're directed toward the right classes, the right teachers, and the right program with the right faculty running it (like Athletic Coaching Education).
"HEY BUDDY, this is Marshall - that might happen at Auburn or North Carolina or WVU, but not here. Our program has the highest morals and we do things the RIGHT way!" Yeah well, tell that college dropouts Tommy Shuler and Rakeem Cato. Hell, we spent a whole year telling Cato's rags-to-riches story on every news outlet that would air it, and then we let him walk out of Huntington in December of his senior year without a degree, and nobody - not coaches, not the administration, not the local press, and certainly not the fans - even batted an eye.
Qualifying to play at Marshall is insanely easy. Especially when you're not playing and have tons of resources available to you.
...and even then he made it to Notre Dame and then Florida State.
great story! he didn't pass enough courses in the fall and wasn't on track to pass enough courses this spring, so adios muchacha, enjoy junior college.
I'm not here to argue that. That is the story I got from someone in football operations. Maybe that was their spin.
in all seriousness, from what i've heard his worth ethic overall was lacking, which is why he wasn't going to be eligible here. so, yeah, we could be talking about the same thing.
If they talk to you about athletes academic eligibility they should be fired.
Doc is a blue collar coach, he recruits blue collar players that love the game and it requires a work ethic. Ryan Bee was a one star or no star recruit, that now is A star at Marshall. How many 4'star and 3 star and wildly projected game changer recruits have we seen leave early under Hollidays tenure?
There's a steel mill across the street from our stadium, and dirty grimy streets too match. There's an ocean, Palm trees and a well manicured campus at FAU.
Blue collar coach , blue collar players, blue collar team. Get on Docs bus early, or get off early.
There's a steel mill across the street from our stadium, and dirty grimy streets too match. There's an ocean, Palm trees and a well manicured campus at FAU.
Blue collar coach , blue collar players, blue collar team. Get on Docs bus early, or get off early.
As a now retired porno stunt man, I can say that kind of talent doesn't come easy (wink, wink).
Says the guy who slobbers all over UK basketball. Where that is the case with most of their team.
I had to call BS on the poster inferring that too. He was accepted into ND, and from what I heard was a good student at Marshall too.
My understanding was...."Moss continued to attend class AFTER he declared for the NFL draft. Correct me if I am wrong?" I was very close to the football program during Randy's time at Marshall. He kept his nose clean (stupid media portrayed him a bad guy)...I never saw him out in the bars (ones that catered to football players)...and I spent a lot of time & $$$$ in most of the local [after hour] places.
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Yeah, I agree. Once he declared and signed with an agent, eligibility was out the window. It wouldn't matter if he were taking "Underwater Basketweaving 099" or "Couch Potato 301"...
Either way, Moss attended class. Real classes.
Actually, Randy never made it to Notre Lame.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...1_notre-dame-irish-coach-lou-holtz-randy-moss
I'm a Moss fan, but never....EVER recall him in class. I remember him with his sunglasses on outside of the student union, and almost being able to get a contact buzz outside of his room on the 6th floor of towers, but never in class or in any of the hall's that classes were held in...just being honest.
Work ethic and attitude is what led to Allen leaving Marshall. It bled over into his classwork. He didn't fall short because he wasn't able to get grades. He fell short because he did not apply himself. The feeling was that if grades weren't an issue something else would have been. This came 3rd party but someone close to someone that works in the Shewey and the term punk was used to describe Allen.
Actually, Randy never made it to Notre Lame.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...1_notre-dame-irish-coach-lou-holtz-randy-moss
He was accepted but the fight is why he why his offer was rescinded and Lou Holtz didn't want to pull it but he was told to. Go back and watch the 30 for 30. Holtz said it himself.
I respect your point but that's not the issue. He never made it to Notre Lame.
uh, the issue was whether he had the grades or not to be accepted to notre dame, so his point is pretty valid.
I don't know about you guys, but I would definitely believe an anecdote from 78-year-old Lou Holtz in a 2015 interview over a Chicago Tribune article that has been preserved on the internet in its original form for 20 years, and lead paint is delicious.
These posts about Randy and ND seems to be something Evergreen would want to be involved in. He loves circle jerks.
^^^ And the above post is indicative of your contribution to a conversation. bravo
also never fails that 99% of every kid that leaves the program for whatever reason was:
-punk
-lazy
-thug
-not going to play anyway
-punk
-lazy
-thug
-not going to play anyway
He's a pretty smart guy. But I wouldn't doubt for a second his high school made sure he didn't have to give much effort in class.
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