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i've been dieting and exercising since December and have lost 37 pounds with 15 more to go to hit my goal weight. I've decided to add lifting to my regiment and I'm thinking about setting up a garage gym. I have looked at Dicks and Sears and online and im seeing Olympic weights going for about a dollar a pound. Can I do better than this? I'm looking for around 300 pounds right now including the bar.

I want to go with the Olympic sleeve and bar. I'm also thinking I'll need a curl bar, and a good Smith rack of some sort since I'll be lifting without a partner. I want to be able to set a safety bar as a fail safe for squats and bench.

Anyway...any advice?
 
I would take a very close look on craigslist for potential options.

I used to have a very nice set up in my garage at my old house that I purchased off of craigslist - squat rack, adjustable bench, Olympic bar, 300lbs of plates, a few sets of dumbbells, cable pull down with lat bar and rope, and curl bar. All for about $300 gently used and delivered to my door by a craigslist seller.
 
Congratulations on your success already. Lifting is, by far, a more efficient way of cutting pounds than cardio is if done correctly. I do legs twice per week; once with weights, the other using just body weight exercises mixed with some Pilates moves. The latter leg day works me harder, makes me sweat more, and is better cardio for me than any of my lifting workouts.

I highly advise against you getting a smith machine. If you are getting it out of safety, it actually is more unsafe than using free weights even without a spotter. I can talk more about it later, if you want, but there are major safety and strength issues when using a smith machine for squats and bench.
 
Agree with rifle on the smith machine - the natural arc of the motion of the bar for a bench or squat is not a perfect line like that in a smith machine.

You can still derive benefit when working out alone without a spot by just not taking sets to failure.
 
Definitely like to hear more rifle. Ill post later tonight when I get home with several questions. But quickly, I've read some negative things about Smith racks. Could you elaborate because Im not sure what the issues are. My thinking is that if you set a safety bar below the level that you would reach parallel with with your squat, wouldn't that be like lifting without the rack? The only time you'd need it if you reached failure and had to bail. That seems safer than not having the safety bar at all. I'm sure I'm missing something.

More questions later.
 
I just saw Carl's post after I posted. I think I'm confusing the Smith Machine with a regular rack.
 
Ok, just had a chance to get back to the thread. After a quick search on Smith Machine (I think I called it a rack) I understand you guys point. That thing is terrible. I was using Smith Rack as a generic term for power rack. I'm looking at a squat cage that allows me to set a safety bar below the level of a full squat. That way I have a safety device if I get in trouble with a lift but still have the room for proper form.

Here are my questions for rifle, Carl, or whoever might have knowledge. But 1st a little background that might be relative specifically for me. I'm 57 years old so not as young as you guys. I've been in a lifting environment before, so this isn't totally new to me but I was in my 20s the last time I've been around it...so 30 years. (Jeeze that's depressing.) Because I'm older I don't have a desire to lift for any reason other than general health. I don't have to impress anyone with strength or size.

Now...

Nutrition- this is an area that gets tons of attention now. I've read the importance of protein and the formula for determining how much protein you need per pound of lean body weight. I've read anywhere from .8 to 1.0 grams of protein per pound per day. I've also read that studies show a point where that when you exceed it you get no appreciable gains. So..how do you determine your lean body mass? And what amount should I eat to allow for adequate repair of tissue? I have the amount of 120-130 grams per day. Also...is whey protein that much better? I read that seems to be the supplement.

Lifting during a calorie deficit- I still need to lose 15 to 20 pounds. So I'm still needing to be in a calorie deficit. That likely increases the importance of protein. But what do I need to consider when I lift while cutting weight? I read where macros are the big thing right now, so what type of balance do I need to achieve with nutrition to assure I'm not being counterproductive with my lifting?

Why is dead lifting the big craze?

Other exercises while lifting- I've been walking between 5 and 10 miles per day. I do a lot of that with my wife. i use Fitbit to track my steps, miles, calories burned, etc. I really don't want to give that up. I enjoy the time with my wife. Will walking 5-10 miles in a day (I've hit 30,000 steps and 15 miles a few times) be counterproductive to the rest Id need?

Lifting- What type of exercises should I consider? How do I rotate my routine...upper body/lower body? Push/pull? How many reps, sets, and rest between sets with a goal of general fitness? I guess that would mean that I'm lifting for the goal of a combination of endurance and muscle growth.

I have more...but later.
 
Those are all pretty complex issues, even nutrition/fitness experts don't always agree. I used to be very well read on this and fit, but 2 kids under 3 years old has taken it's toll...

I'd say for someone at your age I'd start with this.

- what are your current medical issues , if any? Any old injuries or things you need to work around?

- in general, I'd shoot for 1 gram per pound body weight in protein, preferably from whole food sources. Use whey if you're not meeting this goal. While in a deficit there is research to show muscle retention is best when protein is high.

- most of the time it's difficult to progress on lifts/build muscle while on a deficit, but you can do so in the first year or so as a new lifter ("newby gains")

- fill out the rest of your calories with fruits, veggies, and carbs from whole foods.

- I'm a fan of simple routines like west side for skinny bastards or joe defrancos built like a badass. However, these are based on compound lifts like squats, etc , and they do take some practice for form/technique, etc.

- I don't think low intensity steady state cardio like walking is too detrimental to lifting. I think fasting low intensity cardio can help weight loss.
 
http://ymcawv.org/personal-trainer-bios/

I'm usually not a huge personal trainer fan, but there are some good ones. They could at least help you with form and get a basic routine.

I haven't been in WV for over 6 years now, but Brandon Walters in Charleston is very good. He would do 1-2 sessions at his gym or I'm sure he could come to your house and work with what you have.
 
Here's what I would/will personally do at age 57, God willing...


Just eat healthy, whole foods as much as possible. Protein at every meal.

For lifting I'll probably not be squatting, dead lifting, or benching. I'd probably use free weight dumbbells for bench/incline and lunges as main lifts and build from there - more planes available in all dimensions to minimize chance for injury while still maintaining functional strength.

For cardio I'll keep it at incline walking or elliptical - easier on the joints.

Those things seem simple, but they would work if you stick to it - which can be very challenging.
 
As far as my health I've been fortunate. I take zero medication and I've had no issues with blood pressure or sugar. I do have problems with my shoulders at times, likely a result of the wear and tear from the years of wrestling in high school and college. I had a few a/c seperations in college. But I feel like as long as I keep the weight I'm lifting at a reasonable amount I can get around that. My knees are fine. I get stiff in my hips and lower back so I'm hoping core exercises might help that. I have terrible flexibility.
 
a 58 year old neighbor approached me yesterday at the pool after i came back from my workout. he asked about my routine. he is a big guy (6'3, 252 lbs.) in great shape for his age. he definitely is a former heavy lifter, as he still has huge shoulders, arms, and legs. he is struggling recently because a knee injury has forced him to not lift any legs, which he claims was about 70% of his workouts now. talking to him reminded me of this thread.


if you lift long enough, you will be able to find ways your body best reacts to lifting. for instance, some studies show that running or doing cardio on a caloric deficit will reduce your muscle mass. however, i have seen that to be the most efficient way for me to take away that last bit of fat over the lower abs or other trouble spots when in a cutting phase. getting up early and doing even just a mile of high-intensity cardio before eating anything has worked wonders for me. the more you lift, the more you learn about how your body reacts to things and the best practice methods for you to accomplish certain goals.

as you mentioned, protein is very important. creatine also is, especially as guys get older. muscles dont recover as fast when you are older. creatine is a huge boost for that. i havent taken any supplements in 4-5 years, but if youre going to use protein, i highly recommend creatine, also. both protein and creatine supplements have been extensively researched for decades with neither of them being a danger to your body.

the reason i was against a smith machine is because of injuries and taking away the use of stabilizing muscles. as people get older, their balance becomes a major issue. taking away working the stabilizer muscles is a very bad idea. core exercises should be mandatory, as they help with balance. but, it sounds like you wont be getting one of those.

after you are comfortable lifting for a while, i highly recommend supersets for just about every body part. you can do a set of biceps, then immediately transition to a tricep lift. your biceps shouldnt be used in the tricep lift, so they wont be exhausted to the point of not being able to accomplish that tricep exercise. you can do the same things with legs (quads, hamstrings) and shoulders. you can also do three sets of biceps right after each other, working different parts of the biceps. doing this not only greatly reduces the time of your workouts, but gives you a hell of a cardio workout at the same time.

the best cardio i do is supersetting a number of lifts repeatedly.

being on the beach, i have gotten into a lot of bodyweight exercises. i run 4-5 miles to the busier areas of the beach where they have pull-up bars and other equipment. doing pull-ups/hanging arm flex really is a good break from using traditional weights.

if you want to avoid squats (which i disagree with carl about you not doing them), there are some really good bodyweight leg workouts that i do. the cardio benefit from doing them is amazing, and when finished, i struggle walking down stairs because my muscles are so exhausted. i can find some youtube videos of them if you want. i mix those with pilates exercises for legs, which make me sweat as much as anything i do.

to answer some of your questions . . .

i cant imagine that walking 5-10 miles per day would impact your lifting unless your body is really sore or exhausted from the walking. i know you enjoy that time with your wife, but i recommend some higher intensity cardio besides just that. you dont have to be sprinting, but getting your heart rate elevated more than what it is in a casual walk (assuming you guys arent power walking) is important.

if you dont care about impressing anyone with your appearance/strength and are more focused on general health, i think the supersets i mentioned earlier are a good idea. again, it gives you a needed cardio benefit while lifting. further, being a bit tired when you lift inhibits you from lifting your maximum amount of weight, so you wont be worried about bulking up or injuring yourself from lifting too heavy of weights.

i have a lot of free time, so my workout routine now is a bit longer than most people can do in a day. besides the walks with your wife, if you can set aside 45 minutes for lifting and more cardio, you will ahead of where you want to be, assuming you dont take long rests in between lifting sets.

day 1: 8-12 miles of walking/running; chest lifting; abs
day 2: 8-12 miles of walking/running; biceps, triceps, back lifting
day 3: 8-12 miles of walking/running; pilates leg workout; abs
day 4: 8-12 miles of walking/running; shoulders lifting
day 5: free day; my self-guilt usually results in me doing some cardio on the treadmill/elliptical
day 6: 8-12 miles of walking/running; bodyweight leg lifting; abs
day 7: 8-12 miles of walking/running

i separate my cardio work from my lifting by a few hours. i used to do lifting and cardio back-to-back at the gyms, but i like this schedule a lot better to give me a break. i also end up swimming quite a bit just about everyday.

i have recently tended to do high-reps with lower weights. last year, i would hammer curl 80-85 lbs. dumbbells for 8 reps each arm. now, im using 40 lbs. dumbbells and doing 18 reps. then, ill immediately do regular hanging arm curls with the dumbbells for a high number of reps. then, ill go right to cross-chest arm curls using the same dumbbells. if i do two complete sets of that routine, along with some back exercises, my arms are shot. it also gives me a better cardio workout than just doing 8 reps with heavy weights.

when lifting chest, i highly recommend doing push-ups immediately after each set. finish a lifting set of chest, then jump straight down to push-ups to do as many as you can do. do it to exhaustion. regardless if you can do 2 reps or 200 reps, do as many as you can right after each bench exercise. each time you do the push-ups, change your hand placement (regular, then wide, then lower towards your waist, then very close working more of your biceps).

when your muscles stop getting sore the next day after lifting or you are just bored with your routine, it is time to mix it up.

even in a caloric deficit, which you are wanting to cut weight, your strength is going to increase since you havent lifted in a while. dont worry about your strength not increasing since you are cutting calories. you will still increase your strength since you havent been lifting.
 
day 1: 8-12 miles of walking/running; chest lifting; abs
day 2: 8-12 miles of walking/running; biceps, triceps, back lifting
day 3: 8-12 miles of walking/running; pilates leg workout; abs
day 4: 8-12 miles of walking/running; shoulders lifting
day 5: free day; my self-guilt usually results in me doing some cardio on the treadmill/elliptical
day 6: 8-12 miles of walking/running; bodyweight leg lifting; abs
day 7: 8-12 miles of walking/running

Is this better to isolate on certain muscles, even if you only work them out once a week, even though I realize even when you isolate certain muscle groups, you're still working other muscles a little.

Just asking because I always do the identical workout, but do so every other day (as opposed to the schedule you outlined. On non lifting days, I do my cardio.

For example, if I lifted for 45 minutes (my current workout), should I continue to work out that long when following a schedule similar to yours? Or should that be reduced by say, half of that time when isolating specific muscle groups, workout every day, while also adding in the cardio workout every day as well? My problem is finding time to work out every day.
 
Just for clarification - I don't think it's a bad idea to squat, I just don't think it's a great idea for a 50+ year old to put weight on the bar and squat in a garage gym without someone form checking him first. I am in complete agreement that body weight squats/prison squats would be great.
 
michigan-

if you were to superset, there is no reason why you couldnt get your lifting workout done within 30 minutes. regardless if you superset all one muscle (for instance, just doing three different bicep exercises repeatedly- which you should do exercises focusing on the three major bicep areas in this case) or competing muscles (one set of biceps followed immediately by one set of triceps; or one set of quads followed by one set of hamstrings), as long as you arent taking 10 minute rests between sets, you can get it done within 30 minutes.

a full body workout, if i am reading your post correctly, every other day is more of a general health thing. you definitely wont maximize your ability/strength/appearance/health that way. your legs/ass are your biggest muscle groups. they can be worked twice in a week. giving your other muscle regions (back, arms, shoulders, chest) a good workout once per week is sufficient and allows for recovery, keeping in mind that you will also use triceps in chest and shoulder exercises, biceps in some shoulder and back exercises, etc.

unless you are a bodybuilder, and that is your goal, there is no reason to spend a lot of time lifting as long as you are working hard and efficiently during and in between sets (this doesnt mean lifting the actual weights really fast) . . . which brings up another point. every once in a while, have a slow day in terms of how you lift the weights. use the same weight that you are used to lifting with dumbbells. on each lift, prolong the lift to last four to five seconds on the way up and another four to five on the way down. you wont be able to do nearly as many reps as usual, but you will feel the workout the next day.

a typical arm day for me . . .

1) dumbbell hammer curl: alternating arms, do 18 reps each arm
overhead arm extension: alternating arms, do 18 reps each arm

a short break of about 30 seconds

2) dumbbell curls: alternating arms, do 18 reps each arm
tricep kickbacks on a bench: one arm at a time, do 18 reps. switch arms.

a short break of about 30 seconds

3) cross body bicep curl: alternating arms, do 14-18 reps each arm
tricep skull-crushers with a barbell: until exhaustion (this can also be done with dumbbells)

then, i do that whole thing again. that should take you 20-25 minutes. it gives you time for 4 sets of back (2 sets from 2 exercises).

now, the following week, ill do a different arm workout:

1) cable bicep curls
overhead cable pulldowns for triceps

a short break of 30 seconds

2) reverse cable bicep curls
cable tricep pulldowns

then, ill finish with a series of biceps which drains me: 5 reps of hammer curls, 5 reps of regular curls, 5 reps of cross body curls; 4 reps of each of those; 3 reps of each of those; 2 reps of each of those; 1 rep of each of those. i use lighter weight than usual for that final workout, but it is a bitch.

each arm day, during my beach workout, i also do about 90 pullups (i do each set to exhaustion, alternating between forward and reverse grip).

so, if you mix up your workouts wisely, you should be able to get your lifting done in 30 minutes and still get a lot of quality muscle work (and cardio benefits) by supersetting.
 
Great stuff guys. I very much appreciate the ideas. Rifle...some of your lifts I probably know but don't recognize by name. I've been out of the gym for too many years. What YouTube videos do you recommend to see some if these lifts?

And Carl, I understand your point and I take your concerns seriously. I use to squat a little way back when and in my mind I think I can pull it off with proper form, but my mindset has always been one where I think I can do anything. Hopefully my ambition isn't ahead of my aging body. I'm going to proceed cautiously with low weight to make sure I can handle it. The thing that intrigues me about squats is it affords me the greatest chance of picking up lean muscle weight which will in turn increase my metabolism. As you get older and lose muscle mass, your metabolism starts to decrease. I think squats give you the biggest opportunity for increases along those lines.

Also...my BMR is around 2200 calories. Through exercise I'm increasing that to around 3000 calories. So to stay with my 750 daily calorie deficit (1 1/2 pounds lost per week), I will only be able to take in 2200-2300 calories per day. How do I get 190 grams of protein in me and stay under that amount? Will the weight lifting increase my daily expenditure that much highe than my present exercise?

I've discovered Greek Yogurt and absolutely love it. I like eggs and cottage cheese as well. Chicken and steak are high protein sources and not terribly high in calories. Just thinking I'm going to have a hard time taking in the protein while keeping calories down.
 
That's where whey shakes can help. 40-50 grams in one go.

Or, you can mix 1 scoop vanilla with Greek yogurt and some berries and that's another 30-40 grams there.
 
4kcal per gram protein. With 200 g protein you're at 800 Calories.

Fill the rest in with fats (9 kcal/g) and carbs (4 kcal/g). I think faster acting carbs, relatively low fat, after work outs usually helped me recover better than other meals (white rice, chicken, some sort of sauce) but in reality just hitting your 24 hour macronutrient goals trumps meal timing/ratio.

Your posts are making me want to get back into fitness again...but my one month old, 2 year old, and long work days make it difficult...ugg.
 
I've been reading more lately (and practicing) the various "diets" that focus less on the total "calorie-in", "calorie-out" counting.... old way of eating. Seems to be much of the science is promoting "what" nutrients you eat vs. the older way of "how many calories" your eating.
Personally, I've been focusing on this lifestyle for about 3-4 years now and I've never felt better.

Plus, 3-4 1 hour(max) workouts a week. Combination of weights and/or cardio. I have no set workout, switch up the workouts regularly, due to time availability and boredom prevention. I do perform some form of super setting almost in every workout. It is the way to go IMO. Most days I am in and out of the gym within 45 mins.
 
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