Sure teachers could do it. I would imagine not every teacher would be armed. Some would chose not to. Some would not be eligible. And, if people find out so what. No different than a conceal carry permit. Train them, screen them, no different. Let's say I go eat a Pizza Hut and I have a conceal carry permit. Who would know if I did? There are also other ways to have weapons available as well.
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So what is the point of putting guns in school if 1) you claim they won't necessarily try to stop an active shooter 2) everyone knows which teacher(s) is armed? If that's the case, they simply become huge liabilities.
Question #2, better than nothing. Didn't say it would be perfect. Again, I am not sold on it, but presenting different ideas. And, to use your logic just like all the states with strict gun laws. That prevents gun violence? Like Chicago, IL?
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At times, I wonder if you're a wvu alum. My logic is nothing like the illogic you used in trying to compare two unrelated topics.
My comment was how the death penalty wasn't a deterrent. You then tried making an analogy that tough gun laws aren't a deterrent to criminals; you noted Chicago as your example.
The huge, glaring difference that even Stevie Wonder can see is this: I am not claiming that the PUNISHMENT for gun laws will be a deterrent. I am claiming that the ability to obtain guns by cutting off the source will be a huge deterrent. The majority of guns used in Chicago's violence are brought in from out of neighboring states. What happens when those neighboring states have common sense gun control laws that make it harder for people to obtain guns? It makes it more difficult for criminals in Chicago to obtain them.
Again, I am not claiming that if you make it illegal to shoot somebody (or make the punishment more severe) that it will stop a criminal set on shooting somebody. I am claiming that if you have common sense gun control laws which make it far harder to obtain guns, gun violence will be reduced.
Common sense gun legislation? Like what? The Virginia Tech shooter used a Glock 19 9mm pistol and a Walther P22 which is a 22lr pistol. You know what he did? He locked the doors with chains and the cops could not get in.
You know what else about the Tech shooter? He had an extensive history of mental health issues that the criminal justice system was well aware of, but that gun laws in Virginia don't care about when it comes to buying firearms.
Just two years before the shootings, the gunman was deemed by a Virginia judge to be "an imminent danger to himself and others because of mental illness." He was ordered treatment for the mental issues by that judge. However, unless the person is ordered into a mental hospital, his gun rights are not touched. In other words, a person who a judge claims is an "imminent danger" and orders to have mental health treatment is able to still legally buy firearms unless he is ordered into a mental hospital. Now, see how absurd that is? Changing absurdities like that is called common sense gun control.
But lets add some more into this fun example. That same shooter had issues with police at Tech. After numerous complaints by females and threatening to kill himself, he was sent to the campus counseling facility for a couple of nights. Even then, he was still allowed to have his firearms (and buy more).
He went through due fvcking process where a judge ruled him an "imminent danger" and another judge ordered him to mental treatment . . . but laws allow him to still buy guns. Changing absurdities like that is called common sense gun control.
You mentioned Columbine. Want to know how those guns were obtained? A girl, shortly after turning 18, went to a gun show (loophole city). There, she was easily able to purchase three guns without having to show ID, without any type of background check, without any type of record of sale, and with cash. And it was all perfectly fvcking legal. This isn't much different than the frequent stories I would relay on here a few years ago when I lived in Florida. I reiterated numerous times how I could drive down the street to the local flea market, not show any ID, not have any type of background check, not have a record of sale, and walk out of there within minutes with a cache of AR-15s, handguns, and plenty of ammo. Changing absurdities like that is called common sense gun control.
But it gets better. This recently turned 18 year old then went and gave those three guns to Dylan Klebold who was a minor. That has to be illegal, right? Nope. She could legally give a minor a rifle or shotgun. Giving/selling a rifle/shotgun to a minor is perfectly legal. Changing absurdities like that is called common sense gun control.
So, what do you propose? Get rid of the evil AR? A stevens shotgun is about as basic as you get.
Why does this continue to be so fvcking hard for your side to comprehend? We aren't taking your guns away. This isn't about an AR-15 vs. a Glock 19 vs. a Stevens 320. Common sense gun control is about making it far more difficult for guns to get in the hands of people who should not have them. The things I listed are all ways to make it that much harder by using common sense.
The only way any gun restriction legislation is going to work is with a police state going door to door collecting firearms and threatening criminal charges if caught owning a firearm.
Unless you're ready to support that, then don't even bother. Any other gun legislation is a waste of time.
That's simply not true. Look at the two shootings Herdman referenced. Tech's shooter was able to obtain guns even though he was ruled an imminent fvcking threat by a judge, had been court ordered to mental health help, and had been put in the school's counseling facility for a couple of nights for being a danger. Common fvcking sense gun regulations would have made it so that he couldn't get those weapons. Could he have paid somebody to illegally obtain them? Perhaps, but just because people can break laws doesn't mean we should give them a gold-paved road for them to do it. When you start making laws, enforcing them, and being tough with punishments, it becomes far harder for these weapons to be obtained. But the first step enacting these common sense regulations. Columbine? Three out of the four guns used were obtained legally. The ability for an adult to legally give/sell those guns to a minor is absurd. Common fvcking sense gun regulations.
