Avoid it Like the Plague

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Why are the deplorables so quiet about the children being ripped away from their parents at the border?

Why did cheeto call it a "Democratic law" when 1) that doesn't even make sense 2) it isn't even a law?

Why do you deplorables continue to make excuses for the daily lies told by your president? Are you all too stupid to realize he is lying or too morally bankrupt to care?

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

If the circumstances were reversed, and I was attempting to sneak into Mexico with my kids, and knew if caught, I would be separated from my kids, I would be responsible enough to not break the laws of Mexico.

It's pretty simple.

That's also why I choose not to commit a murder, rape teenagers, and rob banks. There's laws against it, and I totally understand the consequences.

Are you one that supports breaking laws, and against punishment for breaking laws?

 

[19MU88]

If the circumstances were reversed, and I was attempting to sneak into Mexico with my kids, and knew if caught, I would be separated from my kids, I would be responsible enough to not break the laws of Mexico.

It's pretty simple.

That's also why I choose not to commit a murder, rape teenagers, and rob banks. There's laws against it, and I totally understand the consequences.

Are you one that supports breaking laws, and against punishment for breaking laws?

no he isn’t one of those but he is a straight up idealogue parroting talking points. i expect this weak crap out of dtard.

oh and he said democrat bill. not democratic law. jesus is that a silly misquote, cut and paste from leftist website, or another lie?

i do agree makes no sense.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

Obummer was still the deporter in chief. Trumptards should be furious Trump isn’t doing nearly as good of a job rounding up illegals as Barry.

 

[Brushy Bill]

I agree, we should keep the families together and ship them back to their homelands.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

If the circumstances were reversed, and I was attempting to sneak into Mexico with my kids, and knew if caught, I would be separated from my kids, I would be responsible enough to not break the laws of Mexico.

It's pretty simple.

That's also why I choose not to commit a murder, rape teenagers, and rob banks. There's laws against it, and I totally understand the consequences.

Are you one that supports breaking laws, and against punishment for breaking laws?

That's the point: it isn't a fvcking law. It isn't a "democrats' law." There is no law in the United States that requires children and their parents coming across from Mexico to be separated. It's entirely bullshit; yet another lie from cheeto that you deplorables are too dumb to know not to defend.

no he isn’t one of those but he is a straight up idealogue parroting talking points. i expect this weak crap out of dtard.

oh and he said democrat bill. not democratic law. jesus is that a silly misquote, cut and paste from leftist website, or another lie?

i do agree makes no sense.

You stupid, annoying, fvcking dork.

Here is the transcript from what he said, moron:


"The Democrats forced that law upon our nation. I hate it. The Democrats have to change their law, that's their law. That's the Democrats' law. We can change it tonight!"

Even Republican congressmen are commenting that they have no fvcking idea what he is talking about.

Oh, and since we know you're too fvcking stupid to read, this link has the video where you can hear him say exactly what I posted, exactly what you claimed he didn't say, and exactly what you claimed was a lie.

Seriously, do you not care that you're a pathetic dork who has the intelligence of a twelve year old? Your obsession with trying to find an error from me continues to blow up in your face and make you look even dumber than you have always appeared. Again, nobody engages with you. Your obsessive likes of posts from others who argue with me doesn't even elicit those people to defend you.

Run along, moron. You've been exposed once again:

 

[i am herdman]

Why are the deplorables so quiet about the children being ripped away from their parents at the border?

Why did cheeto call it a "Democratic law" when 1) that doesn't even make sense 2) it isn't even a law?

Why do you deplorables continue to make excuses for the daily lies told by your president? Are you all too stupid to realize he is lying or too morally bankrupt to care?

If they called it a border abortion would you be for it?

 

[big_country90]

When an American breaks the law, don't they get separated from their families too, or do the kids get to go to jail with dad?

 

[19MU88]

That's the point: it isn't a fvcking law. It isn't a "democrats' law." There is no law in the United States that requires children and their parents coming across from Mexico to be separated. It's entirely bullshit; yet another lie from cheeto that you deplorables are too dumb to know not to defend.



You stupid, annoying, fvcking dork.

Here is the transcript from what he said, moron:


"The Democrats forced that law upon our nation. I hate it. The Democrats have to change their law, that's their law. That's the Democrats' law. We can change it tonight!"

Even Republican congressmen are commenting that they have no fvcking idea what he is talking about.

Oh, and since we know you're too fvcking stupid to read, this link has the video where you can hear him say exactly what I posted, exactly what you claimed he didn't say, and exactly what you claimed was a lie.

Seriously, do you not care that you're a pathetic dork who has the intelligence of a twelve year old? Your obsession with trying to find an error from me continues to blow up in your face and make you look even dumber than you have always appeared. Again, nobody engages with you. Your obsessive likes of posts from others who argue with me doesn't even elicit those people to defend you.

Run along, moron. You've been exposed once again:

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ok so he didn’t say “democratic law” that was your dumbass.

so you are like Shumer all cattle and no hat! libtards are great and Rifle you are magnificent. and angry

 

[19MU88]

rifle you are in decline! pathetic

 

[Bankerreturns]

Why didn't you voice the same displeasure when the same thing was occurring under Obama?

 

[big_country90]

Why didn't you voice the same displeasure when the same thing was occurring under Obama?

Like everything else with the left, it's simply faux outrage.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

When an American breaks the law, don't they get separated from their families too, or do the kids get to go to jail with dad?

Since you bombed in your attempt with me in the other thread, let me help show you what "glaring holes" really are.

You're now comparing these illegal immigrants/asylum seekers to Americans and claiming they should have the same treatment as the Americans. Odd, in plenty of other scenarios, you claim illegal immigrants/asylum seekers are not Americans, thus are not entitled to the same treatment. Want to pick a side and stick to it? There are some guys in Guantanamo who would be interested in your new, reversed stance.

Further, asylum seekers are not "breaking the law." If they are coming to ports of entry and identifying themselves as asylum seekers, they are abiding by U.S. law. Yet many of these families are also being separated.

Finally, no jails that I know of have family detention centers. The U.S. has had family immigration detention centers for decades which allows for the asylum seekers to get their cases processed before any potential criminal action (if applicable). But - and here is the important factor - Sessions is going after every single person, including those crossing for asylum reasons. Previously, the Department of Homeland Security would process the asylum cases and the Department of Justice wouldn't act on it . . . and especially wouldn't act on it until the asylum case was completed. But now, they are skipping the asylum process and immediately passing them to the Department of Justice for criminal proceedings. In that case, these family immigration detention centers are not used and it forces families to be separated.

It's simply a way cheeto is trying to punish and deter any future crossings. It doesn't matter if you are coming the legal way (port of entry with asylum protection) or the illegal way: they are prosecuting every single one, which allows them to separate the families.

It's morally reprehensible.

ok so he didn’t say “democratic law” that was your dumbass.

This is the most pathetic attempt every in the history of HerdNation. You're claiming I am wrong by saying that cheeto called it a Democratic law because he actually said it is the "Democrats' law"?

That's like me reporting that your mom called you an embarrassment and you claiming that I was wrong because she actually said that you're a "fvcking embarassment."

You're a fvcking idiot. You have surpassed Fever, Brushy, and the dog guy as the most pathetic, annoying, and useless poster on this board. And it isn't even close at this point.

Again, look at how many posters on here interact with you. Even the people you quote in an attempt to discuss things with and those same people who you obsessively like their posts don't engage with you. Why can't you see this? Why can't you take a hint? Stop making this board worse.

so you are like Shumer all cattle and no hat! libtards are great and Rifle you are magnificent. and angry

That would be "Schumer."

Look at your last sentence. Look at how bad you are at trying to talk shit.

rifle you are in decline! pathetic

You posted this eleven minutes after your previous post with no other posts in between. Like Brushy, are you so out of control with your emotions that you can't consolidate your thoughts into one post and have to come back eleven minutes later?

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Why didn't you voice the same displeasure when the same thing was occurring under Obama?

It wasn't. Asylum seekers weren't passed to the DOJ (except in rare cases which were fraudulent). Families weren't separated in these cases.

 

[big_country90]

I bombed? You couldn’t answer one simple question, so you resort to another 9 paragraph diatribe where you do nothing but speak in circles.

 

[Brushy Bill]

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I bombed? You couldn’t answer one simple question, so you resort to another 9 paragraph diatribe where you do nothing but speak in circles.

You bombed to a yugely extent.

You tried saying that I said the tax cuts caused inflation. No logical person could have jumped to that conclusion, especially seeing that my very next post (just an hour later and before anyone said anything about it) clearly stated that it was cheeto's other economic policies that were causing inflation. Your entire premise was incorrect.

Instead of taking the time to fully understand what you were reading, you once again read what you hoped would be there instead of what really was.

. . . oh, and you also butchered "asanine" [sic].

By all accounts, you bombed your attempt to find "glaring flaws" in my post, resorted to a straw man, and then claimed that you had only read my first post.

 

[ThunderCat98]

There is no law in the United States that requires children and their parents coming across from Mexico to be separated.

No, but it IS a crime to enter the U.S. illegally. Just like it's a crime to sell meth, rob a convenience store, or drive drunk. If someone gets arrested and detained for any of these criminal acts they don't get to take their wife and kids to jail with them. This isn't any different. It's a bullsh*t lib talking point that morons (your favorite word) like yourself throw around because you want to engender sympathy for your cause. If they DID allow these criminal actors to remain with their families while detained they'd be getting a benefit 99% of other criminals don't, which is unfair and contrary to standard criminal procedure.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

No, but it IS a crime to enter the U.S. illegally. Just like it's a crime to sell meth, rob a convenience store, or drive drunk. If someone gets arrested and detained for any of these criminal acts they don't get to take their wife and kids to jail with them. This isn't any different. It's a bullsh*t lib talking point that morons (your favorite word) like yourself throw around because you want to engender sympathy for your cause. If they DID allow these criminal actors to remain with their families while detained they'd be getting a benefit 99% of other criminals don't, which is unfair and contrary to standard criminal procedure.

As I said to BC, they aren't U.S. citizens. Your argument about how our criminal justice system works isn't applicable to them . . . or at least that is what your side has been telling us for years, so your argument is invalid in that regard.

You also seem to fail to understand this: U.S. law states that those seeking asylum should go to port of entry locations and declare their asylum status. At that point, they are following U.S. law. However, many of those asylum seekers are also being separated from their children AND being criminally prosecuted instead of being processed for their asylum case first (which has always been the case in the past). That is entirely different than what you're trying to claim about them being criminals.

The entire thing cheeto is trying to do is discourage ANY immigration (or at least from those people with skin darker than his) from coming to the U.S. In doing that, he has changed procedures and allowed unethical and abhorrent practices.

 

[i am herdman]

So Yagi, you going to offer to take any of these children in?

 

[ThunderCat98]

You also seem to fail to understand this: U.S. law states that those seeking asylum should go to port of entry locations and declare their asylum status. At that point, they are following U.S. law. However, many of those asylum seekers are also being separated from their children AND being criminally prosecuted instead of being processed for their asylum case first (which has always been the case in the past). That is entirely different than what you're trying to claim about them being criminals.

Uh-oh. Here comes the truth police:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-could-be-holding-30-000-border-kids-by-august-officials

 

[ThunderCat98]

As I said to BC, they aren't U.S. citizens. Your argument about how our criminal justice system works isn't applicable to them . . . or at least that is what your side has been telling us for years, so your argument is invalid in that regard.

Non sequitur. Regardless of what any "side" wants, they ARE processed through the CJ system so your "argument" is essentially an invalid statement about nothing.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Non sequitur. Regardless of what any "side" wants, they ARE processed through the CJ system so your "argument" is essentially an invalid statement about nothing.

You're wrong on three accounts. First, BC's claim is that these illegals get treated like our citizens who break the law. According to his argument, if you break the law as a citizen, you're detained and your children can't come with you while being detained, so the same holds true for illegals. My counter is that his argument is contradicting his earlier stance about illegals not getting the same due process our citizens receive. You can't have it both ways. Either everyone, regardless of citizenship/location gets the same due process or they don't.

Your second error is that you claim all are processed through the criminal justice system (meaning department of justice). That is false. Those seeking asylum are not supposed to be sent there immediately (or ever if they are granted asylum status). However, the current administration's "no tolerance" policy has changed that.

Your final error is ignoring what I have posted (and what your second-to-last post incorrectly states): many times, those seeking asylum are getting sent directly to the department of justice processing without getting to go through the asylum process.

 

[countryroads89]

When an American breaks the law, don't they get separated from their families too, or do the kids get to go to jail with dad?

First of all, illegal entry is a misdemeanor. So to answer your question, no, children do not get separated from their parents when the parents commit a misdemeanor. Secondly, when parents in the US commit a felony, the children are placed with relatives, not strangers in a detention center. Thirdly, seeking asylum is not a crime.

In summary, you’re an idiot and Faux News really screwed the pooch on that analogy. Bigly!

 

[countryroads89]

 

[Dorrej]

Your final error is ignoring what I have posted (and what your second-to-last post incorrectly states): many times, those seeking asylum are getting sent directly to the department of justice processing without getting to go through the asylum process.

Source?

“Under current practice, HHS takes care of unaccompanied illegal immigrant children as well as now those under the age of 18 who must be cared for while the adults they were apprehended with are prosecuted for illegal entry. This spring, Sessions directed federal prosecutors stationed at the border to bring charges against all migrants that U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers took into custody.

However, family units that arrive at ports of entry and request asylum will not be prosecuted because they have not attempted to enter the country illegally, several DHS officials confirmed to the Washington Examiner. They will also be kept together as they go through the asylum process. These groups are detained in DHS facilities while minors are directed to HHS.”

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Nope. You can't call it the "Democrat law" and attribute that to cheeto or else the biggest moron on the board will call you a liar and claim you are wrong.

In a recent post, I claimed that cheeto called it a "Democratic law" and was told that he actually called it a "Democratic bill" and that I was a liar. I then showed the video and transcript of him calling it "Democrats' law" which was then attempted to be argued that I was wrong.

This is what the board has turned into while the conservatives on this board don't check their own morons, namely 1988, brushy, and the dog guy.

 

[WV-FAN]

In summary, you’re an idiot

you figure out the difference between deficit and debt yet? might want to figure that out before calling others "idiot", idiot.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Source?

Sure - see below. As you can see, cheeto and Sessions are using a couple of strategies to try and get around Federal rulings. By separating families - including those seeking asylum - they are getting those immigrants to withdraw their asylum request simply to be able to get back with their children. As I have said for weeks, they are using the children as pawns to keep brown people out of the country even if they are legitimately seeking asylum.

Think of your parents: if your family tried fleeing persecution of some kind and came to another country, would your parents be fine with being separated from each other, not knowing where their children have gone, having no contact, not being able to communicate with each other or their "captors," and not knowing when the separation will ever end? At some point, it becomes too much and they break which results in them saying "fvck it, at least as a family we will be together."

That's part of the strategy this deplorable administration is banking on.


https://www.vox.com/2018/4/9/17190090/catch-release-loopholes-border-immigrants-trump

An increasing share of border crossers seeking asylum come as “family units”: one or more adults with one or more children. (The Trump administration refers to them as “purported ‘family units’” to underline the fact that they could be lying about their family relationship.) And it’s much harder for the government to detain whole immigrant families than it is for them to detain adults.

Federal court rulings have set strict standards on the conditions under which families can be detained. Under the Obama administration, courts ruled that they couldn’t be kept in detention for more than 20 days.

That’s exactly the sort of “catch and release” the Trump administration is trying to prevent. Trump claims that once released, “nobody ever comes back” for their court dates. (The real number is a still-substantial 40 percent.)

The Trump administration’s solution, now codified in policy, is to stop treating them as families: to detain the parents as adults and place the children in the custody of Health and Human Services as “unaccompanied minors.”

They don’t have to charge parents in criminal court to separate them.

In some cases, according to immigration lawyers, parents separated from their children have begged to withdraw their asylum applications — on the logic that it would be easier for them to reunify their families in their home countries.

But that’s still 40,000 people the Trump administration thinks shouldn’t have been in the US to begin with. And the rhetoric from Trump officials like Attorney General Jeff Sessions — who in December accused “dirty immigration lawyers” of deliberately jamming immigration courts with flimsy asylum claims — indicates they don’t think many of the rest should be in the country either. The best way to keep immigrants from getting in touch with lawyers (“dirty” or otherwise) and the best way to keep them from absconding are the same: deport them as quickly as possible and keep them detained in the meantime.

Meanwhile, according to immigration lawyers near the border, some immigrants who try to claim asylum are getting prosecuted in federal court for illegal entry rather than getting the chance to prove their asylum cases. (The federal government denies this and says that upon expressing a fear of persecution, all immigrants are referred to an asylum officer.)

 

[ThunderCat98]

You're wrong on three accounts. First, BC's claim is that these illegals get treated like our citizens who break the law. According to his argument, if you break the law as a citizen, you're detained and your children can't come with you while being detained, so the same holds true for illegals. My counter is that his argument is contradicting his earlier stance about illegals not getting the same due process our citizens receive. You can't have it both ways. Either everyone, regardless of citizenship/location gets the same due process or they don't.

Your second error is that you claim all are processed through the criminal justice system (meaning department of justice). That is false. Those seeking asylum are not supposed to be sent there immediately (or ever if they are granted asylum status). However, the current administration's "no tolerance" policy has changed that.

Your final error is ignoring what I have posted (and what your second-to-last post incorrectly states): many times, those seeking asylum are getting sent directly to the department of justice processing without getting to go through the asylum process.

First, my initial post had nothing to do with bc's posts. It was simply pointing out the absurdity of you arguing that illegal border crossers should be treated differently than other criminal actors. There is no legal provision that provides for what you're advocating.

Second, the "asylum" argument is a false comparison. As noted in the article I linked, those seeking asylum at ports of entry are NOT being separated from their children. To argue otherwise is an out-and-out lie. Now, are others crossing illegally (i.e., not at authorized ports of entry) being separated and detained even when they request asylum. Certainly they are - because they aren't following the f*cking law.

Third, see above. If you are arguing actual families, crossing at an authorized port of entry, and requesting asylum are being separated, you are building a straw man based on a lie.

 

[ThunderCat98]

First of all, illegal entry is a misdemeanor. So to answer your question, no, children do not get separated from their parents when the parents commit a misdemeanor. Secondly, when parents in the US commit a felony, the children are placed with relatives, not strangers in a detention center. Thirdly, seeking asylum is not a crime.

In summary, you’re an idiot and Faux News really screwed the pooch on that analogy. Bigly!

You are the biggest f*cking idiot on this board - even worse than dtard. Are you saying you can't be detained and placed in jail following a misdemeanor arrest?!?! If so, that is the dumbest thing anyone has ever typed on this board. I hope to God you aren't a lawyer, or, if so, you have really good malpractice insurance. Here's a hint - that is incredibly wrong.

Also, do you think any judge with an ounce of sense is going to release someone who just came into the country illegally on bond? First, it's not gonna happen because as soon as you let them out - bam! They've run into the next state where they will remain illegally until they do something else stupid to get arrested. Second, even if a judge were stupud enough to do this, they still aren't getting out. If the local ICE agent is properly doing their job, they will lodge a detainer preventing the illegal alien from being released pending extradition back to their home country.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

First, my initial post had nothing to do with bc's posts. It was simply pointing out the absurdity of you arguing that illegal border crossers should be treated differently than other criminal actors. There is no legal provision that provides for what you're advocating.
.

This is worse reading comprehension than BC. Read what you fvcking quoted me on. I clearly said . . . "or at least that is what your side has been telling us for years, so your argument is invalid in that regard." In other words, I was using his own argument against him. It wasn't my argument. Hell, I even noted that it was the argument from his/your side that we had heard for years.

Second, the "asylum" argument is a false comparison. As noted in the article I linked, those seeking asylum at ports of entry are NOT being separated from their children. To argue otherwise is an out-and-out lie. Now, are others crossing illegally (i.e., not at authorized ports of entry) being separated and detained even when they request asylum. Certainly they are - because they aren't following the f*cking law.

And as noted in the article I linked, some of those seeking asylum ARE not getting their chance to argue their asylum cases. It isn't an "out-and-out lie." It is you simply wanting to believe only part of what you hear from an unnamed source and not the other half from other sources.

Third, see above. If you are arguing actual families, crossing at an authorized port of entry, and requesting asylum are being separated, you are building a straw man based on a lie.

Third, see above. You are again wanting to believe only one unnamed source because it fits your political stance while ignoring the opposite story told by the other source.

 

[ThunderCat98]

I call bullsh*t. Not once does the Vox article mention what is required in order to assert "asylum" - the most important for purposes of this discussion being that the claim occur at a port of entry. Why is this important and why does Vox avoid it? Because the cases where families are being separated while requesting asylum are those in which they have made ILLEGAL crossings AWAY from an identified port. Those that follow the appropriate procedures are NOT being separated. If you still persist in arguing this is occurring, I'm gonna need to see a source that isn't skewing facts to support its narrative - that being that legit asylum seekers at ports of entry are being separated. Here's a hint - you won't find one because it's not happening.

 

[ThunderCat98]

As for the first point, you continue to ignore the substance of my post (a habit of yours). Please tell me why you think illegal aliens should be afforded additional legal rights/protections not afforded to other criminals, and what provision of the U.S. Code grants this exception. I anxiously await your (non)response.

 

[countryroads89]

You are the biggest f*cking idiot on this board - even worse than dtard. Are you saying you can't be detained and placed in jail following a misdemeanor arrest?!?! If so, that is the dumbest thing anyone has ever typed on this board. I hope to God you aren't a lawyer, or, if so, you have really good malpractice insurance. Here's a hint - that is incredibly wrong.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Triggered.

Yes, many misdemeanors involve no jail time.

Idiot.

Keep attempting to make comparisons of aliens seeking asylum and being separated from their children with US parents committing crimes and being separated from their children.

You lost! BIGLY!

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I call bullsh*t. Not once does the Vox article mention what is required in order to assert "asylum" - the most important for purposes of this discussion being that the claim occur at a port of entry. Why is this important and why does Vox avoid it? Because the cases where families are being separated while requesting asylum are those in which they have made ILLEGAL crossings AWAY from an identified port. Those that follow the appropriate procedures are NOT being separated. If you still persist in arguing this is occurring, I'm gonna need to see a source that isn't skewing facts to support its narrative - that being that legit asylum seekers at ports of entry are being separated. Here's a hint - you won't find one because it's not happening.

And you're clueless. This is the whole catch (what I referred to as their strategy). You claim that if they come to ports of entry and claim asylum, they won't be separated. Not only are they separated (because many times, they are processed and then sent to department of justice instead of homeland security), but they are forced into being separated.

How?

Border patrol agents are being told to meet asylum seekers before they hit the entry point and telling them to turn around. They use all types of excuses including that they don't have space for them. Other times they tell them to wait . . . days upon days . . . and then try coming back where they face the same scenario. This violates international law. As a result, the asylum seekers are forced to go elsewhere other than ports of entry. Many sit down and wait for border patrol so that they can seek asylum. But under the "no tolerance" pact by cheeto and Sessions, they are prosecuted and separated.

This isn't a rare situation. It is happening at numerous ports of entry. Border patrol agents are being instructed to force asylum seekers away. It's the catch-22 strategy cheeto and Sessions have implemented.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

As for the first point, you continue to ignore the substance of my post (a habit of yours). Please tell me why you think illegal aliens should be afforded additional legal rights/protections not afforded to other criminals, and what provision of the U.S. Code grants this exception. I anxiously await your (non)response.

I can't dumb this down anymore. This wasn't my argument; it was an argument your side has presented for years. I made that clear when I originally posted it.

 

[big_country90]

Liberal taliing point. Liberal talking point. Lie. Liberal talking point.

Lie. Lie. Liberal talking point. Bigly!

He said “big league” you dolt. Anybody with ears that work can tell that.

 

[ThunderCat98]

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Triggered.

Yes, many misdemeanors involve no jail time.

Idiot.

Keep attempting to make comparisons of aliens seeking asylum and being separated from their children with US parents committing crimes and being separated from their children.

You lost! BIGLY!

At the risk of wasting keystrokes, I'll try to explain this to you.

I never once said everyone that commits a misdemeanor is jailed. What I said was - in response to your retarded a$$ post suggesting that they wouldn't, or couldn't, be jailed was that illegal immigrants arrested for the misdemeanor crime of illegally coming into the U.S. are, in fact, arrested and detained - just like someone that is caught driving drunk or shooting up heroin. You're just too ignorant to understand the argument.

 

[ThunderCat98]

Border patrol agents are being told to meet asylum seekers before they hit the entry point and telling them to turn around. They use all types of excuses including that they don't have space for them. Other times they tell them to wait . . . days upon days . . . and then try coming back where they face the same scenario. This violates international law. As a result, the asylum seekers are forced to go elsewhere other than ports of entry. Many sit down and wait for border patrol so that they can seek asylum. But under the "no tolerance" pact by cheeto and Sessions, they are prosecuted and separated.

You do know you actually have to be on U.S. soil to actually declare asylum, right? Cause it really doesn't sound like you do. That being the case, they haven't declared asylum under the law. Do you disagree?

Moving on, it sounds like you've changed your initial position, that being families PROPERLY declaring asylum are being separated - which, as you acknowledge above isn't actually happening. Now, your new argument is that families are being de facto "forced" (Wonder who is "forcing" them to cross?) into illegally crossing, violating federal law, being arrested and detained, and then separated? Is that correct? Is that your argument? Because if it is, it's bullsh*t. I read that Vox article, too. Maybe try (1) reading various materials rather than the same liberal rag I previously discredited, or (2) get an original thought/argument.

Also, can you cite to this "international law," or was that a copypasta from Vox?