Avoid it Like the Plague

[countryroads89]

At the risk of wasting keystrokes, I'll try to explain this to you.

I never once said everyone that commits a misdemeanor is jailed. What I said was - in response to your retarded a$$ post suggesting that they wouldn't, or couldn't, be jailed was that illegal immigrants arrested for the misdemeanor crime of illegally coming into the U.S. are, in fact, arrested and detained - just like someone that is caught driving drunk or shooting up heroin. You're just too ignorant to understand the argument.

This is what you said:

big_country90 said: ↑
When an American breaks the law, don't they get separated from their families too, or do the kids get to go to jail with dad?

Oddly, you deleted that post. I wonder why? Strange.

Yes, idiot, your Faux News talking point that you repeated was flawed. Bigly!

 

[countryroads89]

You are the biggest f*cking idiot on this board - even worse than dtard.

You do know you actually have to be on U.S. soil to actually declare asylum, right?

No, you don't have to be on US soil to declare asylum.

Asylum is a protection granted to foreign nationals already in the United States or at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.”

Keep telling us who the idiot is.

 

[ThunderCat98]

This is what you said:

big_country90 said: ↑
When an American breaks the law, don't they get separated from their families too, or do the kids get to go to jail with dad?

Oddly, you deleted that post. I wonder why? Strange.

Yes, idiot, your Faux News talking point that you repeated was flawed. Bigly!

What are you talking about? I didn't delete anything you moron.

 

[ThunderCat98]

No, you don't have to be on US soil to declare asylum.

Asylum is a protection granted to foreign nationals already in the United States or at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.”

Keep telling us who the idiot is.

Apparently you, you f*cking retard.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states

"To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status."

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

You do know you actually have to be on U.S. soil to actually declare asylum, right? Cause it really doesn't sound like you do. That being the case, they haven't declared asylum under the law. Do you disagree?

No, I don't agree. Systematically refusing the ability for asylum is illegal. Attempting to deter those seeking asylum is illegal. That is exactly what this administration is doing.

U.S. border patrol, in many cases, is stepping foot (illegally) into Mexico to attempt people from being able to claim asylum. In doing so, they are breaking the law.

Moving on, it sounds like you've changed your initial position, that being families PROPERLY declaring asylum are being separated - which, as you acknowledge above isn't actually happening.

I didn't acknowledge that above. I said that this administration is using a catch-22 to try and avoid that situation. However, in certain situations, they have failed and it has resulted in separation of families who came through ports of entry and claimed asylum the legal way.

Now, your new argument is that families are being de facto "forced" (Wonder who is "forcing" them to cross?) into illegally crossing, violating federal law, being arrested and detained, and then separated? Is that correct? Is that your argument? Because if it is, it's bullsh*t.

It's not a new argument. It is an additional argument. It is bullshit that asylum seekers are systematically (which makes it illegal) being turned away from legally seeking asylum, hence forcing them into crossing illegally? That isn't bullshit; it's reality.

Also, can you cite to this "international law," or was that a copypasta from Vox?

Sure, it's part of of the 1951 Refugee Convention. Let me know if you can't understand how Google works.

 

[countryroads89]

Apparently you, you f*cking retard.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states

"To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status."

From you own source you cited, f’ucking moron:

Defensive Asylum Processing with EOIR
A defensive application for asylum occurs when you request asylum as a defense against removal from the U.S. For asylum processing to be defensive, you must be in removal proceedings in immigration court with the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).

Individuals are generally placed into defensive asylum processing in one of two ways:·

• They are referred to an Immigration Judge by USCIS after they have been determined to be ineligible for asylum at the end of the affirmative asylum process, or
• They are placed in removal proceedings because they:
  • Were apprehended (or caught) in the United States or at a U.S. port of entry without proper legal documents or in violation of their immigration status,
    OR
  • Were caught by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) trying to enter the United without proper documentation, were placed in the expedited removal process, and were found to have a credible fear of persecution or torture by an Asylum Officer. See Questions & Answers: Credible Fear Screenings for more information on the Credible Fear Process.

 

[i am herdman]

Oh hell, it is pretty simple. We either have a border or we don't. We are either a sovereign nation or we are not. It would be like you opening your home up to 100 homeless people. Just come on in my yard and walk through my door and make yourself at home. None of you all likely do that. You might help when you can with a donation or working at a food pantry or donating clothes. But your front door is not an open one to homeless people.

The reality is we cannot have a mass migration into this country forever. It has to stop for a host of reasons. It is not pretty and it can be ugly and even at times heart wrenching. But, the reality is we have to enforce our immigration laws and we have to have recognizable borders that have to be honored.

 

[ThunderCat98]

From you own source you cited, f’ucking moron:

Defensive Asylum Processing with EOIR
A defensive application for asylum occurs when you request asylum as a defense against removal from the U.S. For asylum processing to be defensive, you must be in removal proceedings in immigration court with the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).

Individuals are generally placed into defensive asylum processing in one of two ways:·

• They are referred to an Immigration Judge by USCIS after they have been determined to be ineligible for asylum at the end of the affirmative asylum process, or
• They are placed in removal proceedings because they:
  • Were apprehended (or caught) in the United States or at a U.S. port of entry without proper legal documents or in violation of their immigration status,
    OR
  • Were caught by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) trying to enter the United without proper documentation, were placed in the expedited removal process, and were found to have a credible fear of persecution or torture by an Asylum Officer. See Questions & Answers: Credible Fear Screenings for more information on the Credible Fear Process.

Uh, that's for people that are in the REMOVAL process. To be in removal you have to be IN the U.S. you idiot. You don't get removed from the U.S. while you're still in Mexico.

 

[countryroads89]

Uh, that's for people that are in the REMOVAL process. To be in removal you have to be IN the U.S. you idiot. You don't get removed from the U.S. while you're still in Mexico.

Tel me which parts are too complicated for you to understand and I will attempt to help you.

Were caught by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) trying to enter the United States without proper documentation,

Were apprehended (or caught) in the United States or at a U.S. port of entry without proper legal documents

And you do understand where some of these ports of entry are located?

 

[WV-FAN]

Poor @countryroads89. Sometimes it's better to let people believe you're an idiot rather than open your mouth and prove them correct. I know, let's have a discussion on the difference between debt and deficit.