Baseball stadium
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Last I heard all of the construction bids came in over budget, which under the state system means they have to let it set for at least 9 months and then bid it out again. Then the panic/pandemic hit and then MH as publicly humiliated by being over-ruled by the prez and/or the gov on the football coach. I assume that he will resign at the end of the school year, and that usually means a year or more of an interim guy, and then there is the panic/pandemic ravaged budget, the minor league realignment, and possibly the permanent conversion of a substantial part of all colleges to on-line.
I doubt this will ever happen now. The next question for the next AD is should we admit defeat and look at another male sport to maintain ourselves at the NCAA minimum. Wrestling, or maybe swimming, seem the most logical.
I doubt this will ever happen now. The next question for the next AD is should we admit defeat and look at another male sport to maintain ourselves at the NCAA minimum. Wrestling, or maybe swimming, seem the most logical.
I’d be on board with adding a Wrestling Program
Like @The Real SamC stated, the bids were about 8-9 million over budget. Oddly enough after those bids came in, the university went to City Council and got the written approval to shut down 25th street and start the rerouting process permanently to 26th (or whatever street that is by cookout). Hamrick also said in the BOG call a few months ago that $250,000 had been raised for the stadium during the pandemic.
Personally I would love the stadium, and I would enjoy catching a game there. Also, while we’re not in the position quite yet, IF the time were to come where we’re able to realign, having a state of the art stadium like the one drawn up would help tremendously. Like Sam though, I’m growing more and more skeptical that it will ever happen.
Personally I would love the stadium, and I would enjoy catching a game there. Also, while we’re not in the position quite yet, IF the time were to come where we’re able to realign, having a state of the art stadium like the one drawn up would help tremendously. Like Sam though, I’m growing more and more skeptical that it will ever happen.
I believe it will happen but not as soon. We certainly need it as a program to be considered for another conference.
From speaking with someone inside the Big Green - the big hang up was the prices received on the bidding process. The biggest/unexpected part of the bids was the relocation of the utilities running through the property. My understanding is Marshall is trying to work with the City to resolve the utility relocation problem. Once/if this can be accomplished - then the stadium project with be put out for another round of bidding. With the pandemic and economic problems - not sure when the utility relocation problem discussion will even start between the two entities.
The entire state of West Virginia needs to learn the difference between "set" and "sit."
“To sit” is to be seated. “To set” is to place something somewhere. In these contexts, sit is intransitive and set takes an object. However, because sit and set have so many additional uses, efforts to state a hard and fast rule as to when to use one and when the other are futile.
So are they "sitting" on the bids to wait for a period of time to make a decision on the existing ones or "setting" these bids aside to reopen the process at a later date for new bids?
No. A definition of "sit" is "lie, rest." That's exactly what Samantha was trying to say. They have to let it "sit/lie/rest" for nine months before opening the bidding process.
Hell, your own plagiarized (really, what kind of moron copies and pastes an entire paragraph and tries passing it off as their own) information supports it. Are you trying to argue that Samantha really meant to print off the RFP and physically set it aside in a location for nine months (remember, your definition requires an object). Of course not. His intent was to say that that bid has to be left alone for nine months.
Funny, when I "sit" I usually place my posterior in a chair with my feet on the ground and when I "lie" or "rest" I am usually on a couch or bed on my side or back with my feet off the ground...
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Thanks. Haven't heard that but it makes sense. Moving utilities probably isn't easy or cheap especially if water and/or sewer lines are involved.
In other words, you are saying there is a difference between the two words. Exactly my point. Thanks for playing. And Samantha's use (and your attempted defense of it) is wrong.
Speaking of two words, do you know the difference between RFP and bid? SamC was referring to bids, as I also specifically stated in my response.
No, I was saying, as SamC seemed to infer, that the bids, not the RFP, were to be set aside for a while because all the bids received were in excess of the budgeted amounts. Sitting on them would imply the decision makers would come back later and reassess the bids received. That doesn't appear to be the case. In this instance there is evidently a waiting period before another RFP could be issued. And that is where the nine months come into play.
Lastly since you started your question of me with "Are" shouldn't you end it with a "?" instead of a "."?
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He has not posted quality pics ever since 2.0/Fever narced him out.You need a better pic of your ride
Yes, but since he claimed that Marshall has to wait at least nine months until they "rebid it out again," that means they will have to put the RPF aside until then before sending it out. You should add some logic into your posts from time to time.
So you're again arguing that the words have different meanings. You realize that you continue to argue against your original argument about this, right? No? That's what I thought.
No. It was a rhetorical question. That's why, in the preceding sentence, I answered it for you by saying "of course not."
Just like in life, you aren't very good at this.
Still a question, rhetorical or not. Most grammar experts (yourself excluded) still say a question mark is appropriate.
By the way, shouldn't your word choice be succeeding, subsequent or following instead of preceding? Is this a rhetorical question? Regardless I used question marks for both questions.
The answer is "of course".
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Are these rhetorical questions too? If so, why did you use "?" as you gave me a condescending grammar lesson of why rhetorical questions don't have question marks?
Though you are consistent in one regard (and it either comes naturally to you or you work hard at being one) this seems to expose an inconsistency in the logic you seem to be so proud of.
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I'd say the stadium is now at least 2-3 years from moving dirt. I'd like to see it built, great for Marshall and Huntington. Hopefully the school will redo the bid via the architect and specs. Not as a list of pet projects they want to fit into an allocated budget. The whole bid process was not handled well at all.
How does the baseball project compare, let's say cost and viability wise, with say the soccer field and softball field?
Soccer Field: $8 Million
Softball Field: $2.5 Million Project
New Baseball Stadium: $18-$20 Million (bids came in at around 8-9 million over I believe, so closer to $30 for what they want)
there’s no doubt they’re trying to build one hell of a stadium.
Thanks. UK replaced their very nice and recently remodeled baseball stadium with one with a $50 million price tag. I think it was completed in 2018.
As an aside it shouldn't cost $8 to $9 million to relocate utilities should it???
That's the issue. They bid all the projects and items wanted in the stadium project without working with a firm to cost those out, BEFORE setting the stadium budget.
Most schools/organizations work with an architect/firm and give them a budget to work with and cost out. This method allows the stadium to be built on budget and run much more smoothly. Marshall basically did it backwards.
Check the stadium for the High Point, NC Rockers baseball team. That stadium was planned, developed on budget with the cooperation of an architectural firm who was given a budget, the number of seats and amenities needed. It was also built in record time.
That stadium has won a few awards on design, function and look.
It was also developed with heavy involvement from a Huntington native and Marshall grad.
Let’s just say we’re a few steps closer to getting a ball park than we were a year or so ago. We have identified a piece of property and we have “some” of the money. More importantly, there seems to be a desire to build. (Hope I was grammatically correct).
AECOM is who was
Identified a piece of property? I thought it was determined the ballpark would be built on the plot of land off 5th in 2019?
Identified a piece of property? I thought it was determined the ballpark would be built on the plot of land off 5th in 2019?
You're good with me. I only mess with the "grammar cop" because he seems to mess with everyone else, especially me haha.
Independent baseball is a joke.
In minor league baseball, the MLB is paying the players and most all the other expenses. And many of the players have a real shot. Charleston, particularly during the era when it was affiliated with Milwaukee, saw a lot of future major leaguers.
In independent baseball, they have to cover everything off ticket sales, beer, and whatever ads they can sell. The players are, with a 1 out of 100000 exception, never-weres who won't accept reality and get a real job. They bounce about, living on leftover hot dogs for a couple of years before finally settling down.
As to Charleston, they sold the team to this guy from Lexington, who also bought the orphaned team over there which is going to be in the same league. He is a failed scout for the Astros. Purchase price was "undisclosed" but probably it could have been darn near $250. Even with Charleston's idiot mayor trying to save face by essentially letting them play rent free, there is no way you can pay even a token wage, travel in a league that ranges from Boston to Charlotte, motels, and insurance off the handful of old men that show up for a Power baseball game.
Tryouts are next month in Florida. It only costs you $100 to try out.
I don't think it will hurt, honestly. Outside of a handful of fans (like a dozen, maybe), nobody really follows the Power for the prospects. Their biggest problem for me is that the experience has gotten really stale, and the only other hook they offered was outdoor drinking, which is now commonplace.
When they built the park, I would go 10-12 times a year, and the place would be bumping most nights. These days, I think I've been to maybe five games in the last seven years, and its usually pretty sparse except on Buck Night.
That's kind of why I question the logic of MU going all out to build a high-end ballpark. There's an older generation that would like to see baseball back in Huntington, but 10-20 years from now you have to wonder how much of that audience will still be around.
Not gonna lie, I wonder the same thing at football games when I look over at the student section, which has dwindled down to maybe a quarter of what it was even ten years ago.
Lol, you can’t just ditch baseball if you ever want to have options for another conference. Also Marshall promised CUSA we would eventually have an on campus facility
In four of your last five responses to me, you've had to go back and edit your posts. How rattled are you to have to have to go back and change your posts that many times?
Oh? Well, let's see if you're being dishonest again. I Googled "should rhetorical questions have question marks." In order of the top listed responses:
Rhetorical questions can be ended with either a question mark, an exclamation mark or a period. Using a question mark is probably the most common choice, but it is really up to the writer to use whatever punctuation matches best the intent of the rhetorical question.
Should rhetorical questions end with a period?
Would it be appropriate to end a rhetorical question with a period, to show that it is not intended as a question that one should ponder or attempt to answer? For instance: Why do I eat so much...
It’s called a rhetorical question, and it can end in either a question mark or an exclamation point, and in dialogue you can sometimes even have a speaker’s rhetorical question end in a period.
Do Rhetorical Questions Need a Question Mark?
Are rhetorical questions in need of a question mark? Grammar Girl answers this question and shares some tips to improve your formal writing.
www.quickanddirtytips.com
Rule 3b. Some sentences are statements—or demands—in the form of a question. They are called rhetorical questions because they don't require or expect an answer. Many should be written without question marks.
Question Marks | Punctuation Rules and Examples
Use a question mark only after a direct question. Do not use a question mark after indirect questions.
www.grammarbook.com
Q. What’s the accepted usage when one wants to put both a question mark and an exclamation mark? For instance, “Who could blame him” is clearly a question, but in context becomes more like an exclamation.
A. You can use an exclamation point. Readers will understand: Who could blame him! It’s a rhetorical question in any case, and such questions often take a period rather than a question mark.
The Chicago Manual of Style, 17th Edition
Find it. Write it. Cite it. The Chicago Manual of Style Online is the venerable, time-tested guide to style, usage, and grammar in an accessible online format. ¶ It is the indispensable reference for writers, editors, proofreaders, indexers, copywriters, designers, and publishers, informing the...
So you'll have to prove to the board that "most experts" claim a question mark is what should be used when the top responses from Google, including the Chicago Manual, claim that periods and other punctuation are just as appropriate.
It's called having old eyes, fat fingers and a small smartphone keypad...
Who embarrassed you so much in the past about your grammar that you need to compensate for it by being the resident "grammar cop"? Is it really so important to you that you spend, and I might add waste, so much time doing the research related to punctuation marks? I don't really care. Just kind of fun, and sad, at the same time to see you get so triggered about otherwise inconsequential things in the larger scheme of life.
I'm a numbers guy anyway. I always stunk at English...
In that case, justify your claim that the majority of grammar experts disagree with my stance on the punctuation with rhetorical questions. "Most" (the word you used) would mean you counted, which is numbers. It appears numbers stump you, too.
Answer these questions. Why did you use question marks so inconsistently with rhetorical questions when now you are so adamant that they are not to be used?
"These questions"? You only asked one question. For a self-proclaimed numbers guy, you sure seem to struggle with basic counting.
I've never been adamant that question marks can't be used with rhetorical questions, so I've never been "so adamant." You're failing as much at reading comprehension as you are at basic counting.
You're the one who claimed that I should have used a question mark with the rhetorical question. I am the one who said that I wasn't wrong by using a period with a rhetorical question. You then made another false claim that the "most" grammar experts say that a question mark should be used. I then proved that all of the top listings on Google state the exact opposite of what you claimed, and even the top "expert" (Chicago Manual) supports my argument and use.
I've never said a question mark can't be used with a rhetorical question. I simply said that you were wrong by saying that my use of a period was incorrect.
Four sentences that end with a ? so even with my limited intelligence by your standards that would be FOUR questions, not the ONE that you referred to.
Since you won't answer those, let me ask another one that you probably won't, or can't, answer as well. What kind of inferiority complex do you have that you can't respond to or address someone without resorting to name-calling or impugning one's integrity, intelligence, etc.?
There's no shame in being wrong occasionally. You don't have to be right all the time. I actually thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.
