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I think we should strap a bomb on him and make him run a marathon. Make it so the bomb goes off if he stops. If he doesn't stop, then set it off when he crosses the finish line.
Tell that to the parents of the little kid who was killed in this senseless bombing. Fry his ass now.
What??? Nobody is speaking to the morality of the death penalty. Mike just posted the factual news. It's front page Espn, it's sports related. I'm sure you'd find some takers for that debate on PS however.
The parents of the 8 year old killed and the 7 year old who was maimed have begged the justice department to not pursue the death penalty and instead make sure the culprit gets life in jail with no possibility of parole.
Next excuse you want to try?
it costs aprox $40k per year to keep a single person in prison. tax payers pay aprox $32k of that...
an injection of pentabarbitol costs ~$86
knowing you can kill, rape, molest, rob, ect and end up with a life supply of meals, cable tv, internet, and exercise equipment - priceless.....
an injection of pentabarbitol costs ~$86
knowing you can kill, rape, molest, rob, ect and end up with a life supply of meals, cable tv, internet, and exercise equipment - priceless.....
Not because they are anti-death penalty, but because they want closure and don't want their kid reliving the accident through the lengthy appeals process.
Opponents of the death penalty are sick.
This scum should be slowly cooked to death over a wood fire and the remains fed to pigs.
This scum should be slowly cooked to death over a wood fire and the remains fed to pigs.
Yes, we are the sick ones, yet your kind supports government killing of people who can be no threat to society by incarcerating them for life.
You guys want to discuss the cost of incarcerating somebody per year. Yet, you fail to acknowledge that the cost for appeals, actually implementing the execution, etc. is as much as incarceration for dozens of years. Oh, throw the appeals process away? Now, you want to do away with a key component of our justice system. Always unamerican or just on this issue?
Most telling, you guys want to justify killing based on finances. And we are the sick ones?
Do yourselves a favor: take a look at the small list of countries which actively use the death penalty. Here, I'll help you out with the countries having executed the most people over the last 8 years:
China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, U.S., Yemen, pakistan, North Korea, Libya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Sudan, Algeria, Somalia, Iraq.
Notice anything about those countries? They are the countries we tend to have the biggest ideological differences with, as well as the countries we claim are the worst human rights violators in the world. Yet, there we are standing smack in the middle along side of them on this issue while all of the countries we are most like have abolished or don't use the death penalty.
We were the only country in the Americas to carry out an execution in 2013. Europe and Australia didn't have a single one. The entire Western Hemisphere, outside of the U.S., had 15 death sentences (not executions, just sentences). U.S. alone handed out 80 death sentences (compared to 15 in the Western Hemisphere). The Americas had 0 executions, outside of the U.S. The U.S. carried out 39 executions.
It doesn't take much intelligence to severely question your stance on this issue when you look at how the rest of the world compares to us.
the appeals process for someone facing life in prison vs someone facing the death penalty is nearly identical in cost and formality...
i'm a firm believer in deterrents. the reason we have by far and away the largest prison population in the world is a fundamental lack of fear for the consequences. bring back public hangings. put them on live TV. watch violent crime drop my 50% over the next 10 years...
i'm a firm believer in deterrents. the reason we have by far and away the largest prison population in the world is a fundamental lack of fear for the consequences. bring back public hangings. put them on live TV. watch violent crime drop my 50% over the next 10 years...
You're clueless.
The appeals process for those challenging a death sentence takes far more years on average and is far more expensive. In federal cases, attorneys make 50% more on death appeals cases than life without parole appeals.
Further, a person living in a supermax prison, like where this guy would go, is far, far less expensive than a guy living on death row. Why? Because in a supermax, inmates are in their cells 23 hours a day. They aren't able to socialize or have time with other inmates. They require far less supervision and monitoring. On death row, inmates are given more liberties, rights, and freedoms. It requires more monitoring. Studies have shown the difference is between $70,000-$100,000 per year.
Again, arguing about the ethics of killing people based on a dollar figure is barbaric in itself. Regardless, it continues to work against your argument every time.
You should try being a firm believer in education and knowledge, because on this topic, you have none.
Numerous studies have shown, as best this can be measured, that there is absolutely no deterrence to death penalty eligible crimes based on a state having the death penalty. Even proponents of the death penalty don't challenge this.
Further, a little common sense will suggest a change in opinion for you. Do you really think those people who commit the most heinous of crimes, those which are eligible for the death penalty, change their mind about committing the crime because they could end up being executed versus facing life without parole? Come on. If a person with that capability wants to commit a crime, life without parole is just as intimidating, and sometimes more, than chances of being executed.
That is the dumbest thing out of all of them you said in your post. I won't even waste time mocking it with facts and arguments.
Dumb, dumb, and barbaric.
The vast majority of violent crimes committed are not eligible for the death penalty. Yet, you think introducing televised public executions for those cases that are will somehow wipe out half of all violent crimes?
Watching the kid in Boston being executed will stop the guy at the bar from having too many drinks and punching the guy on the stool next to him? It will stop the guy at Ritter Park who rapes the jogger? It will stop the wife who loses her temper and hits her husband with a hammer and kills him and gets charged with second degree murder?
Those are all violent crimes, which like the overwhelming majority of those committed, aren't eligible for the death penalty.
You guys are getting no-hit on this so far. If you want, I can give some half-assed decent arguments for having it.
Yep. Civilized countries with low crime rates do exactly what you are proposing.
Opponents of the death penalty are sick, yet you get your jollies off of wanting him to be slowly cooked, you are one sick and sadistic man.
you should save time and just make the above your sig. that way you wouldn't sound like a broken record when arguing about (insert topic here).
You're welcome to refute any of the facts I presented against your argument.
If not, let the broken record continue to spin with its accurate ensemble.
I could care less how the rest of the world views capital punishment. We live in the USA, people on both sides of this and every other issue should be able to publicly voice their opinions without being called names by those on the opposite side. One of the biggest problems we have is the complete lack of CIVIL discourse. BTW I am good with capital punishment. I don't know that I would watch a public hanging, but am not opposed to that being done. Put it on Pay per view and money going to a victims fund. If on pay per view there is little chance someone would view it accidentally that didn't want or shouldn't watch it.
Anyone here that thinks other countries are better places due to laws that coddle violent crime violators, I would like to suggest you move there.
Anyone here that thinks other countries are better places due to laws that coddle violent crime violators, I would like to suggest you move there.
The death penalty as it stands is a giant waste. 20 years of waiting followed by an easier death than probably 98% of law abiding citizens will face.
It'll be done away with.
It'll be done away with.
They should have killed his ass in the boat. But, since they didn't, the death penalty is appropriate in this case. He killed 7 people. One a police officer at point blank range. He placed a bomb directly behind children. Wounded 264 more people.
Some people do not deserve to live, even in prison.
Some people do not deserve to live, even in prison.
Any kind of death is really letting them off the hook. Even if the death is painful, how long is it going to take? A few hours at the most? If they live, they're going to be dealing with a lot more than a few hours of hell. There's no way a person could commit this kind of crime and not be in all kinds of mental torture.
I was thinking last night about these painful deaths we could inflict. Who gets punished with having to administer it? Could I stand there and beat somebody with a ball bat until blood poured everywhere and they died? Maybe, but it would haunt me for the rest of my life. I'd never get it out of my mind.
Paying $40,000 a year or whatever to keep them alive is too much. They should live in a cage with the bare necessities. Enough bread and water to barely survive on. If they refuse to eat it and starve themselves, that's their choice. Nobody got burdened with having to club them in the head.
I was thinking last night about these painful deaths we could inflict. Who gets punished with having to administer it? Could I stand there and beat somebody with a ball bat until blood poured everywhere and they died? Maybe, but it would haunt me for the rest of my life. I'd never get it out of my mind.
Paying $40,000 a year or whatever to keep them alive is too much. They should live in a cage with the bare necessities. Enough bread and water to barely survive on. If they refuse to eat it and starve themselves, that's their choice. Nobody got burdened with having to club them in the head.
I have no problem admitting the death penalty is for revenge. Dragging it out over many years weakens the satisfaction.
Let me offer a different view of this issue. This young man does not think he has done anything wrong. He knows it was illegal (hence not insane) but he believes he was answering to a higher law. Actually, he is giving up his life for his principles. His principles are wrong. They led him to do evil. He was not answering to a call from Allah or some such nonsense. He should not go to his death believing himself to be a martyr. He needs time to think about what he has done. To read the Koran with a critical eye. He needs to come to the realization that he did unspeakable evil. And the world needs for him to do that. And to say that. And in doing so, to in some small way come to redemption. As I said before, killing is wrong and we must not tolerate it. And I believe in redemption.
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