Breonna Taylor Shooting Justified

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Also, this shows, once again, that almost all of the initial reporting which set the narrative and what everyone "knows" is completely contradicted by the investigation and the facts as presented to the grand jury. Therefore when the info does come out no one believes it because it doesn't fit what was reported in the first 72 hours.

Kind of like "Hands up, don't shoot" which was proven to be a lie beyond a shadow of a doubt by the forensics report, yet folks still repeat it as truth.
 

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This stuff is making my blood boil. The whole BLM movement is based on a false premise, and every single time the facts come out after an exhaustive investigation, this is proven nearly each and every time. Normal people know the outcome before it ever happens. Cops, by and large, are not racist and do not hunt down innocent black people. And these idiots approaching people who are just trying to eat dinner at a restaurant and try to impose their fascist beliefs on people minding their own business makes my blood boil even more. This is ridiculous and has to stop. Maybe it’s time for Trump to actually start acting like an evil dictator for real and teach these morons a harsh lesson.
 

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This stuff is making my blood boil. The whole BLM movement is based on a false premise, and every single time the facts come out after an exhaustive investigation, this is proven nearly each and every time. Normal people know the outcome before it ever happens. Cops, by and large, are not racist and do not hunt down innocent black people. And these idiots approaching people who are just trying to eat dinner at a restaurant and try to impose their fascist beliefs on people minding their own business makes my blood boil even more. This is ridiculous and has to stop. Maybe it’s time for Trump to actually start acting like an evil dictator for real and teach these morons a harsh lesson.
i am starting to agree. this is basically a socialist movement . first step get rid of law and order
 
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Also, this shows, once again, that almost all of the initial reporting which set the narrative and what everyone "knows" is completely contradicted by the investigation and the facts as presented to the grand jury. Therefore when the info does come out no one believes it because it doesn't fit what was reported in the first 72 hours.

Kind of like "Hands up, don't shoot" which was proven to be a lie beyond a shadow of a doubt by the forensics report, yet folks still repeat it as truth.
There was VERY little coverage of this in the first 72 hours. No one really gave a shit until George Floyd died. That was two months later.

The media here has actually been decently fair; they gave coverage to the race baiting lawyer and community activists, but also presenting fact checking articles. The facts have been available. Social media has driven most of the bullshit.
 

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I read a little about this.

Seems like a really bad decision to execute a stupid war on drugs warrant in the middle of the night, but technically nothing seems illegal here. Once you're presumably legally in the house (?they knocked first I read?) and someone opens fire on you to shoot back, correct?

Does that about cover it?
 

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I read a little about this.

Seems like a really bad decision to execute a stupid war on drugs warrant in the middle of the night, but technically nothing seems illegal here. Once you're presumably legally in the house (?they knocked first I read?) and someone opens fire on you to shoot back, correct?

Does that about cover it?
That pretty much sums it up. I'll add that the "new boyfriend" who shot at police very well may not have been aware of her drug ring activities, which if true means she damn near got him killed, trifling ass hoe.
 

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Facts that have been underreported:

There was probable cause to believe that Breonna Taylor was involved in a drug-trafficking conspiracy with an "ex" boyfriend (or, more likely, an alleged "ex" with whom she still had an ongoing relationship) and his associates and that she was handling/laundering ALL of the money for this organization.

Breonna Taylor was NOT and EMT, and had not been one for almost 5 years. She was forced to resign from that position after about 5 months in the job.

Officers were NOT at the wrong apartment/address, and they had probable cause to execute a warrant at Taylor's apartment.

Although they had one, officers did NOT execute this as a no-knock warrant. They knocked and announced several times as evidenced by their own statements, corroborated by Taylor's neighbors.

Officers only shot AFTER they were fired on by Taylor's identified boyfriend (who, incidentally is NOT the same guy discussed above). Taylor was NOT laying in bed asleep when she was shot (sorry Tyler).

All of this information is public record. You just have to dig to find it because the media hides, misstates, or straight out lies about many of these things. Taylor's death was a tragedy, but it was NOT racially-motivated, nor was it an intentional bad act by any of these officers. Did they need to be out there executing this type of warrant in the middle of the night? Hell no. No reason it couldn't have been delayed until the following morning. This is a policy failure and why the civil settlement was appropriate. It is also part of the justification for the charge handed down by the GJ. Should any of these cops go to prison over it? No.
 
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Quick...someone tell Tyler Childers!
Tyler is still right, and here is why:

We need some introspection about what the fvck is wrong with this country and maybe in our hearts. Race might not have made those officers fire back, but race certainly was a factor in the War on Drugs and the militarized escalation of it, and that got Ms. Taylor killed more than anything else. It's been a utter and complete failure, for blacks and whites. The black side has historically received more attention, because the War on Drugs greatest negative impacts are on poor communities, and we know black communities are historically poor. But a Mingo County boy like yourself knows what it has done to poor white communities. You would do yourself well to put some thought to that.

We as a nation made a decision in 1933 that it being obvious human beings like to get drunk it would be a better policy to let regulated corporations supply alcohol, rather than leave the business up to hoodlums, thugs, and organized crime. Prohibition was an experiment that lead to a clusterfvck of violence, corruption, poisonings, and yes racial discrimination in enforcement. The War on Drugs is no different. As weird as things got with Big Pharma pushing painers on hillbillies, at least folks knew what they were getting and I think it was better than people dropping like flies because they have no idea what is in that little baggie, never mind the wave of crime and violence as the pills mills closed and gangs and cartel took over the opioid business. Maybe it is time to get back to having Bayer Heroin on the shelf at the pharmacy, right there beside the Parke-Davis cocaine. At least that will keep the police from having to kick in a door in the middle of night.
 
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Tyler is still right, and here is why:

We need some introspection about what the fvck is wrong with this country and maybe in our hearts. Race might not have made those officers fire back, but race certainly was a factor in the War on Drugs and the militarized escalation of it, and that got Ms. Taylor killed more than anything else. It's been a utter and complete failure, for blacks and whites. The black side has historically received more attention, because the War on Drugs greatest negative impacts are on poor communities, and we know black communities are historically poor. But a Mingo County boy like yourself knows what it has done to poor white communities. You would do yourself well to put some thought to that.

We as a nation made a decision in 1933 that it being obvious human beings like to get drunk it would be a better policy to let regulated corporations supply alcohol, rather than leave the business up to hoodlums, thugs, and organized crime. Prohibition was an experiment that lead to a clusterfvck of violence, corruption, poisonings, and yes racial discrimination in enforcement. The War on Drugs is no different. As weird as things got with Big Pharma pushing painers on hillbillies, at least folks knew what they were getting and I think it was better than people dropping like flies because they have no idea what is in that little baggie, never mind the wave of crime and violence as the pills mills closed and gangs and cartel took over the opioid business. Maybe it is time to get back to having Bayer Heroin on the shelf at the pharmacy, right there beside the Parke-Davis cocaine. At least that will keep the police from having to kick in a door in the middle of night.
 

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Tyler is still right, and here is why:

We need some introspection about what the fvck is wrong with this country and maybe in our hearts. Race might not have made those officers fire back, but race certainly was a factor in the War on Drugs and the militarized escalation of it, and that got Ms. Taylor killed more than anything else. It's been a utter and complete failure, for blacks and whites. The black side has historically received more attention, because the War on Drugs greatest negative impacts are on poor communities, and we know black communities are historically poor. But a Mingo County boy like yourself knows what it has done to poor white communities. You would do yourself well to put some thought to that.

We as a nation made a decision in 1933 that it being obvious human beings like to get drunk it would be a better policy to let regulated corporations supply alcohol, rather than leave the business up to hoodlums, thugs, and organized crime. Prohibition was an experiment that lead to a clusterfvck of violence, corruption, poisonings, and yes racial discrimination in enforcement. The War on Drugs is no different. As weird as things got with Big Pharma pushing painers on hillbillies, at least folks knew what they were getting and I think it was better than people dropping like flies because they have no idea what is in that little baggie, never mind the wave of crime and violence as the pills mills closed and gangs and cartel took over the opioid business. Maybe it is time to get back to having Bayer Heroin on the shelf at the pharmacy, right there beside the Parke-Davis cocaine. At least that will keep the police from having to kick in a door in the middle of night.
how they hell do you let someone sit and take hydrocodone for years? I am being serious. That is not like ordering a budweiser?

I am on the shit right now. But, I don't want to be for 30 years.
 

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how they hell do you let someone sit and take hydrocodone for years? I am being serious. That is not like ordering a budweiser?

I am on the shit right now. But, I don't want to be for 30 years.
Alcohol is by far the most destructive drug in this nation. Statistically, it isn't even close....it beats all others combined.

You don't want to be on it for 30 years, but if some dumbass wants to who are we to tell them what to do with their body? Certainly it should not be criminal, if putting back a bottle of vodka a day is not criminal.
 

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Alcohol is by far the most destructive drug in this nation. Statistically, it isn't even close....it beats all others combined.

You don't want to be on it for 30 years, but if some dumbass wants to who are we to tell them what to do with their body? Certainly it should not be criminal, if putting back a bottle of vodka a day is not criminal.
So, you are going to have Hydrocodone at the 7-11 station or what? You don't think a doctor needs to prescribe that stuff?
 

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Did you know doctors could prescribe whiskey during Prohibition? Yet the black market thrived...along with the violence and corruption that comes with a black market.
not the same thing

you going to let folks do their own diagnosis and surgery as well?
 

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not the same thing
It is the exact same thing.

you going to let folks do their own diagnosis and surgery as well?
If they want to perform surgery on themselves, sure. That's just as dumb as smoking crack but it ain't my business. Hell, cut your pecker off, like that WVU football player, and throw it in the goddamn river. Doesn't hurt me any.
 

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It is the exact same thing.



If they want to perform surgery on themselves, sure. That's just as dumb as smoking crack but it ain't my business. Hell, cut your pecker off, like that WVU football player, and throw it in the goddamn river. Doesn't hurt me any.
so what drugs do you think people should just be able to buy and take? Hydrocodone for one.
 

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How does one take narcotics in moderation? For example, meth takes you from zero to f’ed up pretty quick.

Weed is a recreational drug, much like alcohol. Many people use both in moderation, neither is addictive to a very large portion of the people who use them.

Hard core drugs, meth, crack, cocaine, Heroin etc. are much more addictive and debilitating. They destroy lives quickly and then those people become a drain on society.

There is no equivalency between alcohol and hard drugs.
 
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so what drugs do you think people should just be able to buy and take? Hydrocodone for one.
All.

There is no equivalency between alcohol and hard drugs.
Correct, alcohol is much more costly and destructive in this nation.

We know that only a subset of people would engage in the use of hard drugs. How do we know? Because the shit is already readily available and only a subset of people engage in the use of hard drugs. And even then, only a very small percentage of users are heavy, frequent users. In general, people are smart enough enough to leave that shit alone.

They destroy lives quickly and then those people become a drain on society.
And then they die. Alcoholics tend to hang on much longer and fvck up more shit.

The issue here isn't if drugs are bad or not. Of course hard drugs are bad! There is already a drain on society. But do we continue to add to that drain with increased costs of policing, courts, jails and prisons, violence and gang activity, etc? Has this worked, even after spending a trillion dollars since 1971 on the War on Drugs? Hell no. And that doesn't even count the cost to the fabric of communities that the War and not the actual drug use has brought. It's lunacy.
 

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