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CAN WE RETURN TO THE TOP?

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This question might be better asked in a few years with a new coach in town. But I was wondering if we can return to the "Glory Days", the magic run we had from 1997-2002. IMO we were the darling of the G5 world. Since then ,others have taken our place- Boise, UCF and recently U of Cincinnati. In all farness to Doc, when he took over we were on the verge of falling off the map. To his credit, he had some success, albeit not enough to keep his job. Coach Huff is new and says all the right stuff but only time will tell if he can win.
So my question is, what do we need to be doing to get there again? We have a solid fan base, a IPF that is state of the art. We have a good tradition we have Midway hotdogs and HerdNation. What else do we need to regain our position as the top G5 school?
 
Boise and UCF really changed the parameters of being the top G5 program. The budget and student body of UCF really put it in a different category, and Boise is able to keep interest in the school from pretty good players and coaches.

It’s almost a different game from the era of ruling the MAC.
 
Boise and UCF really changed the parameters of being the top G5 program. The budget and student body of UCF really put it in a different category, and Boise is able to keep interest in the school from pretty good players and coaches.

It’s almost a different game from the era of ruling the MAC.
I agree and because of that I wonder what we can realistically do. I mean our first run was a result of the perfect storm. We have Randy and Chad surrounded by a talented cast we roll into a weak MAC and wreck havoc. Given a few years they catch up with us and we have been trying to get back since 2004
 
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I agree and because of that I wonder what we can realistically do. I mean our first run was a result of the perfect storm. We have Randy and Chad surrounded by a talented cast we roll into a weak MAC and wreak havoc. Given a few years they catch up with us and we have been trying to get back since 2004
FIFY before Rifle could ruin the thread…we not only wreaked havoc, but we also wrecked the multi-decade 3 yds & a cloud of dirt offensive schemes….
 
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Marshall can win the CUSA each year which would be put Herd in the conversation in a 12 team playoff if undefeated.
That 12 team playoff is going to change in the near future too. G5 might have no dog in the fight.
 
We'd have to duplicate the run from 1997-2002. String together multiple Conference titles and knock off P5 teams with regularity. That's what Boise did. They beat P5s on the cusp or just inside the top25 like Oregon (before they were today's Oregon) and then had that magical moment beating OU.

See that's the thing. Marshall has got to have that magic moment that announces them to the rest of the country and then not fade away.

Most G5s that peak have that magical game, but then fade off. Boise didn't. They beat OU and then kept doing it or at least playing top P5s just as well as their peers.

TCU winning the Rose Bowl and then Utah beating Pitt in a BCS bowl and then downright thumping Bama in Saban's early years.

You know what Marshall needs to do in order to recapture our late 90s/early 00s reputation? We have to have a strong 2021 and then waltz into South Bend and take down Notre Dame. We beat Notre Dame and everyone will be paying attention. Then we need to parlay that win into a multi year run.

We need that 1999 Clemson moment.
 
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There are those that say we cheated back then to dominate; but they can wallow in that thought. It's a different ball game now. We need to win CUSA on a regular basis and finish ranked to get back into the conversation. Being in CUSA, considered by many the weakest D1 league, certainly doesn't help us. Winning OOC games is crucial. Eager to see what this new staff can do. I like what I am reading from the practice reports. Seems like a lot of teaching and mental prep going on.
 
Our peak years came as a result of an anything-goes athletic department, the jewel of which was a program that paid for kids to ride out their prop year. Today, you can just hand a player a giant stack of cash. The circumstances that we were manipulating to produce an atypical result no longer exist.
 
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ESPN, the focus of evil in the sports world, has always wanted the “little engine that could” story to stay in one place. It was fine with that place being us, but the world does not work that way. So it has settled on Boise. But the world does not work that way. No matter the efforts of ESPN’s thought controllers, others will rise and fall over time.

Can MU make it back to the “top”?

IMHO, no. This fanbase, once among the best at this level, has changed. That fanbase makes this an undesirable job and an undesirable place to play.

Once we were dominating the MAC. The only criticism of the MAC you heard was from the petty jealous Spamite crew. That era’s fanbase was happy to dominate the MAC. That era’s fanbase said nothing about how weak the MAC was. That era’s fanbase was happy to be on TV every now and then. That era’s fanbase was happy to go to a ginned up “bowl game” in a frozen suburb of bombed out Detroit, playing before 20% of capacity on ESPN whatever. That era’s fanbase understood that basketball was #2, and more than that, simply understood basketball, and could tell quality play from talk. That era’s fanbase was proud of the stadium and grateful to those who sacrificed of their $$ and of political capital to accomplish it. And they gave of their time, and of their money.

Today, very different. Today’s fanbase both expects to dominate CUSA, and regards CUSA as nothing and winning it as nothing. It has no respect for our opponents. Today’s fanbase both expects to go to a bowl, and considers the bowls that EVERY G5 school, save the one access bowl slot per year, go to as somehow beneath them. Today’s fanbase, in an era where EVERY game playing in the country is on TV, lacks the ability to look up where the game is on, or somehow feels that the channel, or internet stream, we are on is just not good enough. Today’s fanbase lauds a mediocre basketball team as world beaters. Today’s fanbase complains that they cannot possibly be expected to attend a game in something lacking the amenities of Jerry World. And, most of today’s fanbase, sits around and bitches about why “they” (some undefined mix of the state, city, and unnamed rich people) don’t do something about this or that need.

In sum, today’s rotten super-fan turned inward fanbase expects to win every game, but doesn’t consider that an accomplishment. This means is did not have Doc’s back, and won’t have Huff’s back. It will consume him, just as it consumed Doc, and continue to consume coach after coach.

Until it grows up and realizes that:

* THIS CONFERENCE is OUR conference, made up of peer institutions who are all trying to play football at this level. Worthy of our respect.
* The situation vis conference membership and vis how G5 football works in terms of TV, in terms of bowls, and in terms of notice, is HOW IT IS.

And if those two things are not to your taste, the Marshall sports are not for you. Move on. We will be better off without you.
 
There are those that say we cheated back then to dominate; but they can wallow in that thought. It's a different ball game now. We need to win CUSA on a regular basis and finish ranked to get back into the conversation. Being in CUSA, considered by many the weakest D1 league, certainly doesn't help us. Winning OOC games is crucial. Eager to see what this new staff can do. I like what I am reading from the practice reports. Seems like a lot of teaching and mental prep going on.
Good news! Thanks to NIL what we allegedly done then can be legitimately done today.
 
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ESPN, the focus of evil in the sports world, has always wanted the “little engine that could” story to stay in one place. It was fine with that place being us, but the world does not work that way. So it has settled on Boise. But the world does not work that way. No matter the efforts of ESPN’s thought controllers, others will rise and fall over time.

Can MU make it back to the “top”?

IMHO, no. This fanbase, once among the best at this level, has changed. That fanbase makes this an undesirable job and an undesirable place to play.

Once we were dominating the MAC. The only criticism of the MAC you heard was from the petty jealous Spamite crew. That era’s fanbase was happy to dominate the MAC. That era’s fanbase said nothing about how weak the MAC was. That era’s fanbase was happy to be on TV every now and then. That era’s fanbase was happy to go to a ginned up “bowl game” in a frozen suburb of bombed out Detroit, playing before 20% of capacity on ESPN whatever. That era’s fanbase understood that basketball was #2, and more than that, simply understood basketball, and could tell quality play from talk. That era’s fanbase was proud of the stadium and grateful to those who sacrificed of their $$ and of political capital to accomplish it. And they gave of their time, and of their money.

Today, very different. Today’s fanbase both expects to dominate CUSA, and regards CUSA as nothing and winning it as nothing. It has no respect for our opponents. Today’s fanbase both expects to go to a bowl, and considers the bowls that EVERY G5 school, save the one access bowl slot per year, go to as somehow beneath them. Today’s fanbase, in an era where EVERY game playing in the country is on TV, lacks the ability to look up where the game is on, or somehow feels that the channel, or internet stream, we are on is just not good enough. Today’s fanbase lauds a mediocre basketball team as world beaters. Today’s fanbase complains that they cannot possibly be expected to attend a game in something lacking the amenities of Jerry World. And, most of today’s fanbase, sits around and bitches about why “they” (some undefined mix of the state, city, and unnamed rich people) don’t do something about this or that need.

In sum, today’s rotten super-fan turned inward fanbase expects to win every game, but doesn’t consider that an accomplishment. This means is did not have Doc’s back, and won’t have Huff’s back. It will consume him, just as it consumed Doc, and continue to consume coach after coach.

Until it grows up and realizes that:

* THIS CONFERENCE is OUR conference, made up of peer institutions who are all trying to play football at this level. Worthy of our respect.
* The situation vis conference membership and vis how G5 football works in terms of TV, in terms of bowls, and in terms of notice, is HOW IT IS.

And if those two things are not to your taste, the Marshall sports are not for you. Move on. We will be better off without you.
You don't get out much do you Sam. I mean this post is beyond out of touch with reality. You realize you an copy and paste this fan bashing post for every other single team in college football. At least those that actually have competitive programs.

No what is holding Marshall football back is the front office who went from "we play for championships" to "we just need to accept that today's college football is different." Which is a load of bull. We hired a complete bum in Kayo Marcum who held on to an imbecile HC in Mark Snyder for 3 seasons too many. Even going as far as to go on a nationally televised game with a list of all-time great HCs that started out with a losing season or two trying to rationalize that Snyder's failures were going to miraculously turn into Frank Beamer level success at Marshall. As I recall we even extended him.

Then you have Hamrick and Doc's buddy system. I won't fault Hamrick for extending Doc (maybe the terms) when he did after 2014, but the fact that he and the university put absolutely no pressure on Doc to raise his bar allowed him to become extremely complacent which showed in his recruiting, his assistant hires, and the results on the field.

No the fans are not at fault for Marshall being a shell of what it once was. It's a the lack of an aggressive leadership that lost it's championship or bust mentality.

Another note on our fans. We were just as jaded back then as we are now. Attendance numbers dipped during playoff games only peaking in the conference championship and national championship games. We've also always complained about our bowl matchups and even still show out better than half of the country when the bowl game kicks off.

The problem is the fans see what we're capable of and the administration makes excuses for why we can no longer be there. And yes Marshall should roll though CUSA every single season. Teams like Charlotte and ODU shouldn't be competitive with us. Nor should WKU or either of the F_Us. We are in a conference that has a bunch of teams that your casual and even hardcore Saturday CFB fan doesn't even know exists. USM, LaTech, and MTSU are the only other programs in this conference that have any amount of history.

Charlotte has only been playing since 2013.
FIU has only been playing since 2002.
FAU has only been playing football since 2001 and only been FBS since 2004.
ODU has only been playing football since 2009 and only been FBS since 2014.
WKU has only been FBS since 2009.
UTSA has only been playing football since 2011.

Almost no one cares about North Texas, Rice, or UTEP football. UAB had always been a cellar dweller until they nuked their program and the NCAA gave them roster waivers to stack their roster.

I mean you rail against the our fans for not having a lot respect for our competition. No on does. That's why our games are relegated to FB Live streams.

No. There are zero excuses for why Marshall doesn't dominate this conference year in and year out. We should be to CUSA what Bama is to the SEC, what Clemson is the ACC, what tOSU is the B1G, what OU is to the Big XII, and what Boise bad been to the MWC. Instead we're 2-2 with a team that hasn't even eclipsed it's first decade of football.
 
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This fanbase, once among the best at this level, has changed. That fanbase makes this an undesirable job and an undesirable place to play.
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ESPN, the focus of evil in the sports world, has always wanted the “little engine that could” story to stay in one place. It was fine with that place being us, but the world does not work that way. So it has settled on Boise. But the world does not work that way. No matter the efforts of ESPN’s thought controllers, others will rise and fall over time.

Can MU make it back to the “top”?

IMHO, no. This fanbase, once among the best at this level, has changed. That fanbase makes this an undesirable job and an undesirable place to play.

Once we were dominating the MAC. The only criticism of the MAC you heard was from the petty jealous Spamite crew. That era’s fanbase was happy to dominate the MAC. That era’s fanbase said nothing about how weak the MAC was. That era’s fanbase was happy to be on TV every now and then. That era’s fanbase was happy to go to a ginned up “bowl game” in a frozen suburb of bombed out Detroit, playing before 20% of capacity on ESPN whatever. That era’s fanbase understood that basketball was #2, and more than that, simply understood basketball, and could tell quality play from talk. That era’s fanbase was proud of the stadium and grateful to those who sacrificed of their $$ and of political capital to accomplish it. And they gave of their time, and of their money.

Today, very different. Today’s fanbase both expects to dominate CUSA, and regards CUSA as nothing and winning it as nothing. It has no respect for our opponents. Today’s fanbase both expects to go to a bowl, and considers the bowls that EVERY G5 school, save the one access bowl slot per year, go to as somehow beneath them. Today’s fanbase, in an era where EVERY game playing in the country is on TV, lacks the ability to look up where the game is on, or somehow feels that the channel, or internet stream, we are on is just not good enough. Today’s fanbase lauds a mediocre basketball team as world beaters. Today’s fanbase complains that they cannot possibly be expected to attend a game in something lacking the amenities of Jerry World. And, most of today’s fanbase, sits around and bitches about why “they” (some undefined mix of the state, city, and unnamed rich people) don’t do something about this or that need.

In sum, today’s rotten super-fan turned inward fanbase expects to win every game, but doesn’t consider that an accomplishment. This means is did not have Doc’s back, and won’t have Huff’s back. It will consume him, just as it consumed Doc, and continue to consume coach after coach.

Until it grows up and realizes that:

* THIS CONFERENCE is OUR conference, made up of peer institutions who are all trying to play football at this level. Worthy of our respect.
* The situation vis conference membership and vis how G5 football works in terms of TV, in terms of bowls, and in terms of notice, is HOW IT IS.

And if those two things are not to your taste, the Marshall sports are not for you. Move on. We will be better off without you.
So in essence the fans should not expect to win the worst league in college football and be happy going to the Bahamas or MB bowls? That sounds like Steve Williams promoting Huntington's strong points - weak!
 
Show your work.

Marshall is supposed to win CUSA, but winning CUSA is no accomplishment because ….
 
he had some success, albeit not enough to keep his job.
Marshall can win the CUSA each year

Being in CUSA, considered by many the weakest D1 league, certainly doesn't help us.

Marshall should roll though CUSA every single season. Teams like Charlotte and ODU be competitive with us. Nor should WKU or either of the F_Us.

I mean you rail against the our fans for not having a lot respect for our competition. No on does.

No. There are zero excuses for why Marshall doesn't dominate this conference year in and year out. We should be to CUSA what Bama is to the SEC, what Clemson is the ACC, what tOSU is the B1G, what OU is to the Big XII, and what Boise bad been to the MWC.

And that is just in this one thread. The childlike superfandom you see at places like WVU, but turned inward and thus rotten. The circular argument that Marshall is supposed to win because it is supposed to. With no respect for our peers and thus no respect for our team. Childlike.

And it will consume coach after coach, because NOTHING that happens here is unexpected by the rotten Superfans and NOTHING that happens here will be appreciated.
 
And that is just in this one thread. The childlike superfandom you see at places like WVU, but turned inward and thus rotten. The circular argument that Marshall is supposed to win because it is supposed to. With no respect for our peers and thus no respect for our team. Childlike.

And it will consume coach after coach, because NOTHING that happens here is unexpected by the rotten Superfans and NOTHING that happens here will be appreciate
Serious question and not being a smart ass. Will buy tix to the Bahamas Bowl or MB Bowl if we go 6-6 and play in those venues? Would you be happy with that? Is that a good season?
 
No the fans are not at fault for Marshall being a shell of what it once was. It's a the lack of an aggressive leadership that lost it's championship or bust mentality.

Another note on our fans. We were just as jaded back then as we are now. Attendance numbers dipped during playoff games only peaking in the conference championship and national championship games. We've also always complained about our bowl matchups and even still show out better than half of the country when the bowl game kicks off.



This ^^^^^^^^^agree 100%
 
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And that is just in this one thread. The childlike superfandom you see at places like WVU, but turned inward and thus rotten. The circular argument that Marshall is supposed to win because it is supposed to. With no respect for our peers and thus no respect for our team. Childlike.

And it will consume coach after coach, because NOTHING that happens here is unexpected by the rotten Superfans and NOTHING that happens here will be appreciated.
Not seeing where anyone claimed winning a conference title is not an accomplishment as you claimed Sam. In fact, you linked us to exactly the opposite. The context of what you linked us to had to deal with pointing out the success of winning titles as an expectation for a superior program and a measure for a coach keeping a job.

You want to try again??
 
Having already won the argument, I have no need to “try again”. The rotten Superfan expects to defeat teams it does not respect, because we are supposed to win, because we are supposed to. NOTHING that happens here will suit. Find something else to do.
 
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Having already won the argument, I have no need to “try again”. The rotten Superfan expects to defeat teams it does not respect, because we are supposed to win, because we are supposed to. NOTHING that happens here will suit. Find something else to do.
You've won the argument on what it takes for mediocrity. Kudos. Find another program you want to be mediocre and cheer for them Sam. "This program isn't for you."

The rest of us will desire what winners expect. Win and play for championships.
 
And that is just in this one thread. The childlike superfandom you see at places like WVU, but turned inward and thus rotten. The circular argument that Marshall is supposed to win because it is supposed to. With no respect for our peers and thus no respect for our team. Childlike.

And it will consume coach after coach, because NOTHING that happens here is unexpected by the rotten Superfans and NOTHING that happens here will be appreciated.
I hate to break it to you bud, but Charlotte and ODU are not our peers. Sure they're G5 teams, but they don't have 1/10 of the history we have. They they have done next to nothing at this level. I know you just want to paint Marshall as this lowly team that's lucky to be where they are, but that isn't the truth and it is you. "Fans" like you that are the problem.
 
You've won the argument on what it takes for mediocrity. Kudos. Find another program you want to be mediocre and cheer for them Sam. "This program isn't for you."

The rest of us will desire what winners expect. Win and play for championships.
FBS college football isn't for him. Shoot I'd even go out on a limb and bet even the expectations at FCS programs are too lofty for The Troll SamC
 
Unfortunately, under the coaching of Holiday they proved otherwise. ;)
epic choke jobs. I still have a theory that if it weren't for the Ratlif and Lambert connections to Charlotte Doc never went into those games with an aggressive mentality. I know Doc was never really in kill mode, but for some reason it never looked like we ever tried to get out of 1st gear. Go back and watch the 2017 game down in Charlotte. We ended up winning 14-3. They didn't have the team to hang with us and we never played aggressive in that game. You could tell Doc knew they had no chance of winning and we handled that game like a walk-through.

One thing I hope changes under Huff is having a pair of balls and not keeping his the play calling close to the vest because he's scared to put it on film and giving later opponents something to prepare for. Real coaches. Real teams. Line up, run their plays, and make the other team stop them. It's their will. With Doc we allowed to the opponent to dictate what we did. Outside of the 2013 ECU game, Doc's career was that of a counter puncher. Never the knockout fighter.
 
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epic chock jobs. I still have a theory that if it weren't for the Ratlif and Lambert connections to Charlotte Doc never went into those games with an aggressive mentality. I know Doc was never really in kill mode, but for some reason it never looked like we ever tried to get out of 1st gear. Go back and watch the 2017 game down in Charlotte. We ended up winning 14-3. They didn't have the team to hang with us and we never played aggressive in that game. You could tell Doc knew they had no chance of winning and we handled that game like a walk-through.

One thing I hope changes under Huff is having a pair of balls and not keeping his the play calling close to the vest because he's scared to put it on film and giving later opponents something to prepare for. Real coaches. Real teams. Line up, run their plays, and make the other team stop them. It's their will. With Doc we allowed to the opponent to dictate what we did. Outside of the 2013 ECU game, Doc's career was that of a counter puncher. Never the knockout fighter.
Doc had no f'ing business head coaching this team. His propensity to accept mediocrity and blatant incompetence (for me) goes back to the home loss-choke against WVU.

Doc completely lucked out when some of the better teams in CUSA bolted for greener pastures too. I have no doubt had those programs not left, we would have been seeing Snyder 2.0 ball. Even Cato's sandlot style play/offense (which overshadowed Doc's inability to coach) wouldn't have helped.
 
Doc had no f'ing business head coaching this team. His propensity to accept mediocrity and blatant incompetence (for me) goes back to the home loss-choke against WVU.

Doc completely lucked out when some of the better teams in CUSA bolted for greener pastures too. I have no doubt had those programs not left, we would have been seeing Snyder 2.0 ball. Even Cato's sandlot style play/offense (which overshadowed Doc's inability to coach) wouldn't have helped.
I kind of agree with you, but I think after those teams left the conference got too soft and Doc relaxed. You can see a complete demeanor switch after 2014. Doc was intense (too much for many on here that complained about it) never being satisfied with any position group and his assistants were guys like Seider and Hartley that swung for the fences. Even with Bill Legg we were one of the top offenses in the country for 3 years and were shattering records. After 2014 we weren't pursing the same caliber of recruit and Doc was heaping praise one every position group.

Actually this biggest thing that held Doc back early on was not being able to get Chuck Heater in year one and being saddled with Chris Rippon who was absolutely dreadful. In 2012 we had to score 55 a game in order to win.

After 2014 Doc purposely said he was switching to ball control offense too. Which put us behind the entirety of FBS football.

Doc wasn't great, but he wasn't the imbecile that Snyder was. CUSA could have been full of D-II teams and Snyder wouldn't have reached .500.
 
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Hope Huff can rebuild this team back to Marshall football. I’ve had all the Doc football I can stand.
 
I hate to break it to you bud, but Charlotte and ODU are not our peers.

Another quote that proves my point, as if any more were needed. The rotten super-fan. Marshall is supposed to win because it is supposed to. Childish. Other teams with more resources are not important because we beat some MAC schools 25 years ago.

In a few years, or probably a few weeks, when the reality of what Marshall is and where Marshall is falls on a new administration, and another coach is consumed by the rotten super-fans, we will see, yet again, why this delusional and ungrateful fanbase is a big part of the problem.
 
The only way back to "the top" is to consistently start winning conference championships, no matter which conference we are in.

We all love to talk trash about CUSA, and some of it is justified based on the football product on the field across the league, with the few exceptions that are consistently above average to good - MU, La. Tech, UAB (for now), WKU (most years). But if we are going to look down our noses at the rest of the league we need to be consistently winning the league.

Put yourself in a good position and the momentum grows, like we had from 97-02, Boise had for a decade, UCF had for five years, etc.
 
No, this program is for me, because I understand football and love Marshall and Marshall football. I understand just how hard it is to field a team and APPRECIATE every win. I don’t live in a delusional world where Marshall is supposed to win because it is supposed to.
 
No, this program is for me, because I understand football and love Marshall and Marshall football. I understand just how hard it is to field a team and APPRECIATE every win. I don’t live in a delusional world where Marshall is supposed to win because it is supposed to.
Apparently sports and the concept of being a champion isn't for you Sam. If a sports team "isn't supposed to win" then why spend resources on "fielding a team"? Why be a fan of program you dont expect to compete and win?
 
The only way back to "the top" is to consistently start winning conference championships, no matter which conference we are in
I agree with this 100%. Aside from Sam, I dont believe any other fan of Marshall with a high expectation for the program feels differently.
 
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Other than location which I’ll argue doesn’t help schools like FIU or FAU. What resources do other schools in our conference have over us?

We have a state of the art IPF and weight room. Our stadium is just as nice as any other program in CUSA. We have way more history in football than any school in current CUSA. Southern Miss would be the only school that would have an argument. What we were told during Doc’s tenure was that we had the best recruiting classes we have ever had. We paid Doc and his assistants way more than any of our previous coaches and we are paying Coach Huff more than that. All of these things were done during our post MAC era.

Then several years ago the conference top teams other than us left our conference and CUSA became no different than the MAC and Sunbelt conferences.

So with all of that, better facilities, better players, better coaches pay, better weight room and better history than what we had during our dominant MAC years.

With all that you are saying we can’t have the expectations that we should consistently win a conference that since the defections has been rated one of if not the weakest conference in FBS is beyond ridiculous.

Marshall football is definitely not for you.
 
If a sports team "isn't supposed to win" then why spend resources on "fielding a team"?

Because we are supposed to TRY to win, just like all the other teams are as well.

However, the childish idea that, for reasons no one can list, MU is just somehow some magic entity this is just automatically better than the others, is, well, childish.

That is why I appreciate every win over our peer institutions in this conference. I consider each an accomplishment, and understand that everyone is TRYING.
 
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Because we are supposed to TRY to win, just like all the other teams are as well.

However, the childish idea that, for reasons no one can list, MU is just somehow some magic entity this is just automatically better than the others, is, well, childish.

That is why I appreciate every win over our peer institutions in this conference. I consider each an accomplishment, and understand that everyone is TRYING.
Sam - Just finished reading this entire putrid thread, and am less intelligent for having done so. As to your final point: If you “appreciate” our wins vs ODU & Charlotte, then you are also saying that ‘Bama respects Vandy & “appreciates” every single win over them as a true accomplishment……just allow that comparison to marinade in your slushy grey matter for a couple of hours, then come back on here & tell us why the folks in Tuscaloooosa really do respect Vandy the next morning …..
 
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