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College athletics blowup

Can the Marshall’s of the world keep up with either coaching salaries or NIL deals of the P5’s? We honestly aren’t on a level playing field when it comes to football.
Because we (G5) have allowed the monopoly to boost the others

Imagine equal access to the championship or playoffs and what that would do for the sport and every programs cash flow
 
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Dabo worried about not being able to keep up with the Texas’ of the world much less Alabama
 
I am actually with him on this in spirit. However, there a plenty of bottom third P5 schools that have different problems than Alabama too, and everyone is dead set on keeping them together. Vanderbilt is no better than MTSU. Marshall is closer to WVU than WVU is to Alabama. Colorado State is closer to Colorado than Colorado is to USC. I agree with Dabo, but if we are going to blow it up, let's blow it up and start over which none of these guys really want to do, Dabo included. He just wants to take every team that was not on the national radar in 1980 and get rid of them while pretending that the bottom third of the P5 conferences belong.
 
I hate what is happening to college football. While it may always have been true that a school like Marshall was never going to win a Natty in football at least we were part of the system. If you could put together a good team and occasionally beat a big name opponent you were given some respect. What we are headed for now is a pro/minor league set up ..... sucks
 
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Not that long ago, winning the “Natty” was not the be all and end all of college football. Teams, throughout the Division, had goals. Winning season, be in the upper half of the conference, win the conference, beat the rival, nine wins, ten win, make a bowl game, win a bowl game, go to a bigger bowl game, whatever. The the focus of evil in the sports world, ESPN, came out with this unneeded and unwanted playoff solution to a non-problem. One winner, everyone else is a POS. The previous system worked precisely because it was understood that different teams had different roles, and different goals.

Then, largely at the behest of the woke preachers at the focus of evil in the sports world, ESPN, we entered on to this pay-the-players non-sense. Dabo, who has grown fantastically rich and somewhat famous, in the previous system, is now all concerned. Maybe because Dabo is the coach at an ag/tech college of 25K students not named for the state in the distant mountains of a state that is 23rd in population and 41st in per capita income. (And which is 7% black in a state that is 28% black). Hard to compete in a pay-the-players world with the wealthy prosperous state schools with non-alumni fans who cheer for the same words that are on their driver’s license (no other relationship). Let alone the mega sized rich schools from successful states.

What you are hearing from Dabo, and from coaches and administrators at a lot of colleges throughout the South and the Midwest is not that different from what the owners of the Reds or Pirates tell the owners of the Yankees and Dodgers. Dabo suddenly has the college version of a small-market team.
 
Not that long ago, winning the “Natty” was not the be all and end all of college football. Teams, throughout the Division, had goals. Winning season, be in the upper half of the conference, win the conference, beat the rival, nine wins, ten win, make a bowl game, win a bowl game, go to a bigger bowl game, whatever. The the focus of evil in the sports world, ESPN, came out with this unneeded and unwanted playoff solution to a non-problem. One winner, everyone else is a POS. The previous system worked precisely because it was understood that different teams had different roles, and different goals.

Then, largely at the behest of the woke preachers at the focus of evil in the sports world, ESPN, we entered on to this pay-the-players non-sense. Dabo, who has grown fantastically rich and somewhat famous, in the previous system, is now all concerned. Maybe because Dabo is the coach at an ag/tech college of 25K students not named for the state in the distant mountains of a state that is 23rd in population and 41st in per capita income. (And which is 7% black in a state that is 28% black). Hard to compete in a pay-the-players world with the wealthy prosperous state schools with non-alumni fans who cheer for the same words that are on their driver’s license (no other relationship). Let alone the mega sized rich schools from successful states.

What you are hearing from Dabo, and from coaches and administrators at a lot of colleges throughout the South and the Midwest is not that different from what the owners of the Reds or Pirates tell the owners of the Yankees and Dodgers. Dabo suddenly has the college version of a small-market team.
Well stated, Sam.
 
WVU just announced a $6000 stipend to student athletes who met certain academic requirements. It's gonna get worse and getting out of hand.
 
WVU just announced a $6000 stipend to student athletes who met certain academic requirements. It's gonna get worse and getting out of hand.
At least they put an academic requirement on it... They could have just as easily announced a $6,000 stipend for any athlete.

College football and mens basketball are on another planet from the olympic sports and that chasm is only growing every year in terms of money. There will be a time in the very near future where Alabama's QB is making $10 million a year on NIL, and their third string RG is pocketing that $6,000 a year stipend. Then a majority of the players will be pissed and maybe some regulations can be put in place... There has to be a cap at some point.
 
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There has to be a cap at some point.
There certainly should be a cap, and IMHO, that cap should be zero $$.

But there is a problem. The caps in the various pro sports are there because they unions and the owners agreed on them. That is the only legal way to have a cap.

College athletes have no union, and would be foolish to form one. Without a union, they can make unlimited $$.
 
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At least they put an academic requirement on it... They could have just as easily announced a $6,000 stipend for any athlete.

College football and mens basketball are on another planet from the olympic sports and that chasm is only growing every year in terms of money. There will be a time in the very near future where Alabama's QB is making $10 million a year on NIL, and their third string RG is pocketing that $6,000 a year stipend. Then a majority of the players will be pissed and maybe some regulations can be put in place... There has to be a cap at some point.
It basically is. Metro News asked Lyons about that, and he said basically every athlete will get it. The ones who won't get the stipend likely won't stay in school very long any way. His words.
 
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Not to worry I'm sure our fans are ready to dig deep into their wallets and fund whatever it is we need.
 
Pre 1984 the NCAA controlled college football media rights. Then the US Supreme Court sided with Georgia, Oklahoma, and Texas in 1984 saying that the NCAA preventing the conferences from negotiating media rights deals was an anti-trust violation. That was the genesis of all the problems we have today. In 1990 Notre Dame negotiated its NBC deal and it was off to the races with media deals and then ESPN.

The money started to skyrocket because of this. And with the NCAA not handling the TV deals, there were no longer any guardrails on how the money was distributed. The revenue side of the balance sheets for the major programs started to fill up with huge amounts of money (eventually spreading to every school to varying degrees). At this point the question becomes "what do we do with the money?" The options were essentially A) Spend it, B) Give it back to the university as surplus, or C) Pay the players. The schools decided to spend it. They had to raise the expense side of the balance sheet to match the revenue side so they could continue to claim that they were "barely breaking even" so they could continue getting student fees and tax dollars. So they spent it on coaching salaries, facilities, and crazy amenities that put even the NFL to shame. After that it just became an arms race. But make no mistake, the expense side of the balance sheet is contrived. Coaches don't have to make $10 million. A locker room doesn't have to look like Disney World. This is a choice the schools made to soak up the money that pours in after the guardrails were removed.

Now the schools have found a way to keep spending the money AND pay the players by having private businesses pay the players. Good gig if you can get it I guess.
 
The current system is built to service about 8-12 schools. Go look at all the National Championships that are the most mainstream accepted like the AP, BCS, and the Playoff. It's been the same handful of teams winning them every year. 90% of the FBS doesn't factor in. Bama, tOSU, Oklahoma, USC, PSU, Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan, and possibly UGA and Florida are the only schools that really matter in the grand scheme of the way CFB is set up. They're the teams that can lose a game and sometimes two and still end up playing for a national championship. Schools like Clemson and Oregon have come on the scene in the last decade, but they don't have the same pull as Bama or Ohio State. I don't know what to do with FSU at this point.

It's why the Big XII has been so unstable for the last two 10-15 years. OU and Texas do whatever they want and change the rules on the fly and amount of protesting from the other members schools have any affect.

These schools have way too much control now and they're never going to let it go. They're protecting their money and they don't want to share.

I mean we feel victimized, but the real victims are schools like WVU, Purude, Northwestern, NCST, and the rest of the middle P5 that they have a seat at the table and burn through 10s of millions every year and get almost nothing out of it. Once they have an off game they're out of it. Doesn't matter if it's game 1 or game 12. Bama can not even win their division and they play for a national championship. Notre Dame can do whatever they want schedule wise and they're always in. tOSU can not play half their season and still be in the "playoff".

It's all a joke. The G5 really just needs to accept the reality that we're never going to be allowed in and we're burning through too many resources trying to have a "magical" season.

The only way this gets fixed is when the rest of college football finally wakes up from brainwashed trance the networks have put everyone in and say enough is enough.

If the G5 stopped playing the P5 it would hurt the bottom of the P5 a lot more than the G5. Schools like UK and Baylor that depend on cupcake OoC schedules to prop of their seasons would really start to hate life once they'd have to have all P5s in their OoC. The G5's reality really wouldn't change that much.
 
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Because we (G5) have allowed the monopoly to boost the others

Imagine equal access to the championship or playoffs and what that would do for the sport and every programs cash flow
There has never been real access and that is why they will form their own division. Why would you split the pie 118 ways when you can split it 50? That is the real reason they will split off.
 
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There has never been real access and that is why they will form their own division. Why would you split the pie 118 ways when you can split it 50? That is the real reason they will split off.
Agree, we never had realistic access and never will. It would take the stars aligning like they never have to even be considered.
 
WVU just announced a $6000 stipend to student athletes who met certain academic requirements. It's gonna get worse and getting out of hand.
wvu is going to find out quickly that they can't afford that...given the (upwards of 70%, 50% at least) revenue gone from UT and OU departing...and wvu lost, by far, the most players to the transfer portal.

Combine that with a terrible economy in WV as a state, they'll go bankrupt trying to live the dream of competing with the Alabama's of the world.
 
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The current system is built to service about 8-12 schools. Go look at all the National Championships that are the most mainstream accepted like the AP, BCS, and the Playoff. It's been the same handful of teams winning them every year. 90% of the FBS doesn't factor in. Bama, tOSU, Oklahoma, USC, PSU, Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan, and possibly UGA and Florida are the only schools that really matter in the grand scheme of the way CFB is set up. They're the teams that can lose a game and sometimes two and still end up playing for a national championship. Schools like Clemson and Oregon have come on the scene in the last decade, but they don't have the same pull as Bama or Ohio State. I don't know what to do with FSU at this point.

It's why the Big XII has been so unstable for the last two 10-15 years. OU and Texas do whatever they want and change the rules on the fly and amount of protesting from the other members schools have any affect.

These schools have way too much control now and they're never going to let it go. They're protecting their money and they don't want to share.

I mean we feel victimized, but the real victims are schools like WVU, Purude, Northwestern, NCST, and the rest of the middle P5 that they have a seat at the table and burn through 10s of millions every year and get almost nothing out of it. Once they have an off game they're out of it. Doesn't matter if it's game 1 or game 12. Bama can not even win their division and they play for a national championship. Notre Dame can do whatever they want schedule wise and they're always in. tOSU can not play half their season and still be in the "playoff".

It's all a joke. The G5 really just needs to accept the reality that we're never going to be allowed in and we're burning through too many resources trying to have a "magical" season.

The only way this gets fixed is when the rest of college football finally wakes up from brainwashed trance the networks have put everyone in and say enough is enough.

If the G5 stopped playing the P5 it would hurt the bottom of the P5 a lot more than the G5. Schools like UK and Baylor that depend on cupcake OoC schedules to prop of their seasons would really start to hate life once they'd have to have all P5s in their OoC. The G5's reality really wouldn't change that much.

Eh, from 1979-2009 Bama won exactly 1 NC...I get what you're saying but prior to Saban, they weren't exactly filling the trophy case.
But that's the thing, plenty of schools with no recent history, actually could legitmately take the entirety of Bama's team and not think twice about it. They just simply don't and the media covering for Bama, doesn't want to shift a narrative.

You really think a school like Stanford, if they wanted to, couldn't buy half the SEC's rosters from a single donor, then become a mega powerhouse?
They don't because they apply academic integrity, but I think the top schools know, if they tried to leave some schools behind, said schools would absolutely take their resources.

I agree that the lower tier of the P5 is going to be hit the hardest...the essential middle class, who has to pay the most, relative to their program's income.
Then again, how does one really measure the value of an AD for a school?
Is it really wins/NC's or is it money?
Plenty of schools you named, haven't won a title in decades, so does this mean name recognition?
There doesn't seem to be any solid measure of what a successful/top program is. Again, Stanford or Vanderbilt have plenty more money than Bama or Clemson and it's not even close, but somehow Bama and Clemson are considered top tier for winning.
Plus, places like Bama and Clemson seem quite fragile...their large investments in coaches and players is working, but 5-8 years of sub-par seasons and they'll end up like Louisville.
So which is it?

I agree the G5 is hurt the least from this because they spend little and get little.
The NCAA needs to man up and just kick CUSA down to FCS, along with the MAC.
Those schools contribute ZERO to the growth of football nor do they seem invested on wanting to do so in the future.
They can keep the SBC, AAC, and MWC.
Cutting down the G5 with conferences that don't want to try, will strengthen the appeal of those remaining.
Marshall and the G5 will be fine. If they broke off from us, which we really should, just so the CFP would consist of teams with 3 losses, then so be it.
 
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