Colossal screw up

[ThunderCat98]

If this is accurate, it is an absolutely inexcusable failure by law enforcement.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...ng-threat-from?utm_term=.jmk5B4ElN#.ms73kBa2y

 

[Marine03]

If this is accurate, it is an absolutely inexcusable failure by law enforcement.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...ng-threat-from?utm_term=.jmk5B4ElN#.ms73kBa2y

Yes it was. About as equally irresponsible as this

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...k-scott-makes-history-signing-5-pro-gun-bills

 

[raleighherdfan]

Yes it was. About as equally irresponsible as this

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...k-scott-makes-history-signing-5-pro-gun-bills

except none of these laws contributed to what actually happened........

 

[Marine03]

except none of these laws contributed to what actually happened........

It’ll be worth watching how he defends his pro gun background

 

[ThunderCat98]

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree Raleigh on this one. Don't see how any of those played a role in this.

 

[NutcaseConservative]

I wonder if this law had any effect?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ople-mental-n727221?__twitter_impression=true

 

[raleighherdfan]

I wonder if this law had any effect?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ople-mental-n727221?__twitter_impression=true

Did you or Marine even read the rule he eliminated???

"... added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database."


Was this kid on social security and deemed unfit to handle his own finances? (probably not)

Try again guys.

 

[raleighherdfan]

It’ll be worth watching how he defends his pro gun background

what's wrong with having a "pro gun" background? What does that have to do with this situation?

 

[Marine03]

what's wrong with having a "pro gun" background? What does that have to do with this situation?

Nothing unless your the governor of a state that just had 17 kids killed and you’ve signed pro gun bills in as law. Now he says “everything is on the table.” Imagine that

 

[countryroads89]

Was this kid on social security and deemed unfit to handle his own finances? (probably not)

Try again guys.

May have been. He lost both parents and everyone said he was nuts.

 

[WVUSerg]

Maybe if the school was a gun free zone this wouldn't have happened.

 

[NutcaseConservative]

Did you or Marine even read the rule he eliminated???

"... added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database."


Was this kid on social security and deemed unfit to handle his own finances? (probably not)

Try again guys.

Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. We don't know yet which is why I phrased it as a question. Either way, if you guys (GOP), are going to blame everything on mental illness you might want to keep some of those laws that could potentially prevent this type of shit from happening.

 

[ThunderCat98]

May have been. He lost both parents and everyone said he was nuts.

I don't think that provision applied to everyone receiving SS benefits, but just those receiving them for some sort of mental illness. In that regard, any benefits he may have been receiving from his parents death likely would not have fallen under that particular law.

Also, I doubt he was "unfit to handle his finances" as that typically requires a judicial finding of incompetency which, if it existed, would have prohibited him from possessing firearms anyway.

That being said, that was one of Trump's worst moves since he's been in office.

I think this guy probably fell into one of those gaps in the firearms laws that I discussed in another thread. Again, I'm not sure how you close those gaps. That also doesn't mean we should just let them go. We need an open dialogue from all sides to figure these things out - not each side pushing for their own special interest groups.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I think this guy probably fell into one of those gaps in the firearms laws that I discussed in another thread. Again, I'm not sure how you close those gaps.

Unfortunately your comments in the other thread were glossed right over with little acknowledgment by the gun controllers.

It would essentially require some form of link to an individual’s medical/treatment records along with the ability for yet another level of (incompetent) bureaucrat to analyze and then record the denial of purchase.

The same group of people who demand “reasonable gun control” would flip their shit if someone started combing through their medical records.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. We don't know yet which is why I phrased it as a question.

Wrong. You simply went trolling for stories of repealed gun laws and thought you found one that sounded right and posted.

Even if he received SS benefits from his parents death there is no evidence the courts had ruled him financially incompetent.

This repealed law had nothing to do with this circumstance.

 

[raleighherdfan]

everyone said he was nuts.

Not a surprise you also didn’t understand the difference between what the repeal law covered and this situation.

 

[herdfan429]

Yeah that Obama rule trump repealed was so good even the aclu and other civil rights groups/senior groups hated it and wanted it repealed

 

[Marine03]

Maybe if the school was a gun free zone this wouldn't have happened.

Moron

 

[i am herdman]

The worst massacre at a school in usa history didn't even involve a gun

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

If this is accurate, it is an absolutely inexcusable failure by law enforcement.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...ng-threat-from?utm_term=.jmk5B4ElN#.ms73kBa2y

There is nothing they could have done without a specific threat.

 

[i am herdman]

What is a mess is that we don't guard our schools and use technology

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Funny, when someone detonates a car bomb we don't blame the car, when someone high jacks a plane and runs it into the World Trade Center, we don't blame the plane. So when a mass shooting takes place, we blame the gun?

 

[Herd Fever]

Nothing unless your the governor of a state that just had 17 kids killed and you’ve signed pro gun bills in as law. Now he says “everything is on the table.” Imagine that

People kill each other left and right in Florida everyday but it takes a crazy loner to kill kids he hated to get people talk

 

[Herd Fever]

Funny, when someone detonates a car bomb we don't blame the car, when someone high jacks a plane and runs it into the World Trade Center, we don't blame the plane. So when a mass shooting takes place, we blame the gun?

For your second sentence, we blamed countries that had nothing to do with 911 instead of blaming our own government and the Saudis

 

[Herd Fever]

The worst massacre at a school in usa history didn't even involve a gun

Nah just involved the US Army

 

[extragreen]

Then we should make it legal for anyone to carry car bombs and hijack airplanes.

 

[Walter Brennaneer]

How about liberals start working with Hollywood to stop the violent movies they provide ideas for the ****ed-up individuals. How about teaching kids to be kids, not having them experiment on being the opposite sex, or worse changing their sex. There were guns and plenty of them back in my day and very little of this shit happened. Yeah--the pussies ended up ****ed in the head, but not hurting others. Case in point Greed. Take the shit off the news and social media and quit politicizing it on every occasion.

Stop the safe spaces and pussifying our children. Hell, it is bad enough many of their parents seperated/divorced.

Reading the news everyone knew this was coming with this kid. I call bullshit, just more fluff that will not help. Hell--everyone has issues and breaking points. Doesn't mean they are going to do these horrible mass murders.

Kids today are pussies, that is well represented by members on this board. They are better then anyone else. Education wise, monetarily, athletically, looks. Kids today are ****ed up. It is all about being above your peers today. Some just lie, cheat and self promote themselves until it has become aware they're bullshitting. Some just take it to another level of stupidity.

 

[i am herdman]

Nah just involved the US Army

I meant school history

 

[i am herdman]

Then we should make it legal for anyone to carry car bombs and hijack airplanes.

Thanks already illegal like murder is.

 

[extragreen]

Thanks already illegal like murder is.

But guns are legal and readily available. And every single school and mass shooting has guns in common. Guns don't need mandatory safety courses, people do. Guns don't need background checks, people do. Guns don't need stricter negligence penalties imposed on them, people do.

 

[herdfan429]

But guns are legal and readily available. And every single school and mass shooting has guns in common. Guns don't need mandatory safety courses, people do. Guns don't need background checks, people do. Guns don't need stricter negligence penalties imposed on them, people do.

So are things to make a bomb

 

[countryroads89]

Funny, when someone detonates a car bomb we don't blame the car, when someone high jacks a plane and runs it into the World Trade Center, we don't blame the plane. So when a mass shooting takes place, we blame the gun?

Would you rather get in a fire fight with a guy armed with a muzzle loader or a guy armed with a semi-auto AR?

 

[ThunderCat98]

There is nothing they could have done without a specific threat.

That is incorrect. They certainly could have subpoenaed FB to identify the account user and went and interviewed him, as well as touch base with state and local authorities to keep tabs on him. In fact, that is EXACTLY what should have been done. This was a major failure by the Feebs.

 

[extragreen]

So are things to make a bomb

Fine. Then start selling only guns that require assembly of all it's parts.

 

[NutcaseConservative]

Wrong. You simply went trolling for stories of repealed gun laws and thought you found one that sounded right and posted.

Even if he received SS benefits from his parents death there is no evidence the courts had ruled him financially incompetent.

This repealed law had nothing to do with this circumstance.

Wrong. I didn't go trolling for stories. I remember reading that story months ago. Either way, again, while this law may or may not have had an effect on this particular case. If you guys are going to continue to blame ONLY mentsm illness, then you might want some of those laws that could prevent the mentally ill from getting a gun.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

That is incorrect. They certainly could have subpoenaed FB to identify the account user and went and interviewed him, as well as touch base with state and local authorities to keep tabs on him..

And what good what that have done? Shocker: there have been terrorists and mass shooters interviewed by the FBI before they committed crimes, and it didn't do shit to deter or stop them.

 

[SamSwimmer]

terrible parenting, fear of disciplining kids involved in divorce proceedings, and over medicating kids have produced a generation (or two) of truly messed up individuals. kids eating tide-pods isn't funny, it's depressing. we used to be a society that knew better. now, because our society is "enlightened" people want to take away guns from law abiding citizens rather than address the bigger issues

 

[countryroads89]

terrible parenting, fear of disciplining kids involved in divorce proceedings, and over medicating kids have produced a generation (or two) of truly messed up individuals. kids eating tide-pods isn't funny, it's depressing. we used to be a society that knew better. now, because our society is "enlightened" people want to take away guns from law abiding citizens rather than address the bigger issues

I didn’t see anyone in this thread advocating for taking away anyone’s guns. I think people are saying let’s try some common sense restrictions...like not allowing 19 year olds to purchase ARs...or those with mental problems to purchase guns.

And terrible parenting? Really, you are going there? You know both of his parents are dead?

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

Swimmer is correct. It's a damn societal problem, as I stated a couple days back. Back in the 70's when I went to high school, we always had guns and knifes. We didn't take them into the school, but we had them in the rack in the pickup truck, or in the back seat or trunk of the car. We never even thought about shooting anybody with them. Took them to school, so we could either go hunting after school, or better yet, go drink some Stroh's and then shoot holes in the cans afterwards. Granted, we only had shotguns and rifles, but still, never shot anybody with them. Just squirrels and beer cans.

 

[ThunderCat98]

And what good what that have done? Shocker: there have been terrorists and mass shooters interviewed by the FBI before they committed crimes, and it didn't do shit to deter or stop them.

That's part of the problem - we have no idea what it may or may not have accomplished because they didn't properly do their job. And this isn't a case of "not enough resources" or some other garbage excuse.

It takes 30 minutes, tops, to get a GJ subpoena for records. It takes another 30 minutes, tops, to review said account info when it arrives. It takes anywhere from 10-20 minutes to call the FBI office or state/local law enforcement in the jurisdiction where the person lives and tell what is going on. It would take around an hour or two to locate the guy's home and sit down with him. You walk in the front door and see an arsenal, you should probably dig a little further. By all accounts, the kid was a psycho. I'm guessing one meeting is all they would need to see that this guy was a threat.