cons vote yes on selling guns to terrorists

[dherd]

The evolving situation has forced Republican leaders and presidential candidates to contort themselves: talking tough on terrorism, yet ignoring the fact that the two were armed to the teeth with two .223-caliber assault rifles and two 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistols, and hundreds of rounds, all purchased legally.

While the nation suffered through the shock of another bloody massacre, on Thursday every Senate Republican except Mark Kirk of Illinois voted against legislation to prevent people on the F.B.I.’s consolidated terrorist watchlist from purchasing guns or explosives.

The measure has been introduced repeatedly since 2007. The Government Accountability Office has documented that over years of congressional blockage, hundreds of suspected terrorists on the watchlist bought guns.

http://app.nytimes.com/

 

[herdfan429]

why are we letting terrorist walk around? Go arrest them!!

 

[extragreen]

why are we letting terrorist walk around? Go arrest them!!

Why are you against banning the purchase of guns by people on the FBI terrorist watch list?

 

[herdfan429]

Why are you against arresting people on the terrorist watch list

 

[extragreen]

Why are you against arresting people on the terrorist watch list

I asked a legitimate question, are you going to answer it?

 

[herdfan429]

Why are you against banning the purchase of guns by people on the FBI terrorist watch list?

Because there is no due process. If these people are so dangerous why are you against arresting them?

 

[extragreen]

Because there is no due process. If these people are so dangerous why are you against arresting them?

I understand the "no due process", and I agree. A republican offered an alternative that would have protected gun rights for innocents, but attached a rider he knew would not pass, effectively causing his own bill to be voted down.

As for why not arrest those on the watch list? Because if you "suspect" and have no proof of someone committing a crime, wouldn't it be a waste of time?

 

[ThunderCat98]

I'll preface this by saying I didn't read the link. However, based on dtard's post, I'm assuming the proposed legislation seeks to deprive individuals of a Constitutional right based solely on suspicions that they might be terrorists? Is that accurate?

 

[herdfan429]

I understand the "no due process", and I agree. A republican offered an alternative that would have protected gun rights for innocents, but attached a rider he knew would not pass, effectively causing his own bill to be voted down.

As for why not arrest those on the watch list? Because if you "suspect" and have no proof of someone committing a crime, wouldn't it be a waste of time?

So if you have no proof why restrict their right to own a firearm?

 

[ThunderCat98]

What type of measure could you impose that would ensure due process?

 

[extragreen]

I'll preface this by saying I didn't read the link. However, based on dtard's post, I'm assuming the proposed legislation seeks to deprive individuals of a Constitutional right based solely on suspicions that they might be terrorists? Is that accurate?

Are you against the no fly list also?

 

[ThunderCat98]

Are you against the no fly list also?

To be clear, I'm not saying I'm for or against the proposal. I'm asking legit questions because I haven't looked at the issue before. Fwiw, your argument is invalid because you are comparing apples to oranges. There is no express Constitutional right to fly. There is, however, one to posses/own firearms.

 

[extragreen]

So if you have no proof why restrict their right to own a firearm?

Let's not. But let's eliminate all prohibitions of the No Fly List and Terrorist Watch List altogether.

 

[extragreen]

To be clear, I'm not saying I'm for or against the proposal. I'm asking legit questions because I haven't looked at the issue before. Fwiw, your argument is invalid because you are comparing apples to oranges. There is no express Constitutional right to fly. There is, however, one to posses/own firearms.

That's arguable. There is a Privileges and Immunities clause in the Constitution.

 

[herdfan429]

All I'm saying is if they are that dangerous why let them walk around?

 

[extragreen]

All I'm saying is if they are that dangerous why let them walk around?

Are you saying they're not dangerous?

 

[herdfan429]

Are you saying they're not dangerous?

Extra let me try to dumb this down for you since you obviously can't follow along.

1.) a person is on no fly list and or terror watch list.

2.) Libs say they shouldn't have guns because they are terrorist.

3.) My response is I don't agree because there is no due process and last time I checked due process was still apart of our criminal justice system in the United States.

4.) if these people are as dangerous as liberals say why are we letting them walk around on the streets. Surely they have been involved in terroristic activity, which is a felony and would instantly make it illegal for them to purchase a gun.

 

[ThunderCat98]

That's arguable. There is a Privileges and Immunities clause in the Constitution.

Which is why I said "express Constitutional right" as opposed to implied or derivative. What is NOT arguable is the fact that the right to bear arms is expressly spelled out inn the pain language of the Constitution.

 

[extragreen]

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Extra let me try to dumb this down for you since you obviously can't follow along.

1.) a person is on no fly list and or terror watch list.

2.) Libs say they shouldn't have guns because they are terrorist.

3.) My response is I don't agree because there is no due process and last time I checked due process was still apart of our criminal justice system in the United States.

4.) if these people are as dangerous as liberals say why are we letting them walk around on the streets. Surely they have been involved in terroristic activity, which is a felony and would instantly make it illegal for them to purchase a gun.

Let's make it easier for you....
You can't justify enforcing the no fly list while justifying selling guns to the terror watch list.

 

[herdfan429]

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Let's make it easier for you....
You can't justify enforcing the no fly list while justifying selling guns to the terror watch list.

Where did I do that?

 

[extragreen]

Where did I do that?

When you failed to agree with my saying we should eliminate the prohibitions of both the no fly and terrorist watch lists.

 

[GeauxHerd]

Which is why I said "express Constitutional right" as opposed to implied or derivative. What is NOT arguable is the fact that the right to bear arms is expressly spelled out inn the pain language of the Constitution.

Dont forget that its also settled law as an individual right via supreme court ruling as well. Democraps love to point out settled law cases.

 

[herdfan429]

When you failed to agree with my saying we should eliminate the prohibitions of both the no fly and terrorist watch lists.

So because I didnt explicitly say EG I AGREE WITH YOU, you extrapolate that to your rambling about the no fly list. The two list are not mutually exclusive. Ted Kennedy ended up on the no fly list and he wasnt a terrorist, except to co-eds around lakes. Now I will say this once again so maybe your little tiny head can figure it out.

IF YOU ARE ON THE NO FLY LIST AND/OR THE TERROR WATCH LIST THEN, ACCORDING TO DEMOCRATS, YOU ARE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH TERRORISM

 

[GeauxHerd]

EG believes that if you dont agree with him that you should blackballed from owning a firearm or flying.

 

[extragreen]

And you still refuse to answer in the affirmative that both lists should have their prohibitions eliminated. So yeah, I extrapolate that youre ok that people have their freedom to fly in an airplane taken away, but not their guns.

 

[extragreen]

EG believes that if you dont agree with him that you should blackballed from owning a firearm or flying.

EG believes that if you can sell guns to people on the terrorist watch list, then the suspects should be able to carry them on planes, on their person, and with ammo.

 

[i am herdman]

Why are you against banning the purchase of guns by people on the FBI terrorist watch list?

Never go full retard.

 

[herdfan429]

IF YOU ARE ON THE NO FLY LIST AND/OR THE TERROR WATCH LIST THEN, ACCORDING TO DEMOCRATS, YOU ARE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH TERRORISM

And you still refuse to answer in the affirmative that both lists should have their prohibitions eliminated. So yeah, I extrapolate that youre ok that people have their freedom to fly in an airplane taken away, but not their guns.

I dont know why I bother but let me explain it one more time. If you are dangerous enough to be on the no fly list and/or the terror watch list then you should be charged with a felony. If through the course of due process you are found guilty then it would be ILLEGAL for you to buy a gun. That constitutional right has been stripped away. If you are found guilty of felony terrorism then you are more than likely going to jail so you wont be flying for a while.

 

[extragreen]

I dont know why I bother but let me explain it one more time. If you are dangerous enough to be on the no fly list and/or the terror watch list then you should be charged with a felony. If through the course of due process you are found guilty then it would be ILLEGAL for you to buy a gun. That constitutional right has been stripped away. If you are found guilty of felony terrorism then you are more than likely going to jail so you wont be flying for a while.

Neither are being charged with a felony, so the question remains.

Should people on both the no fly and terrorist watch lists have the prohibitions eliminated from their lives?

Here's another question you probably won't answer........Is it OK for people on both the no fly list and the terrorist watch list to be able to fly with guns and ammo on their person?

 

[herdfan429]

Neither are being charged with a felony, so the question remains.

Should people on both the no fly and terrorist watch lists have the prohibitions eliminated from their lives?

Here's another question you probably won't answer........Is it OK for people on both the no fly list and the terrorist watch list to be able to fly with guns and ammo on their person?

If they are on those list then they need to be charged since they are a danger to society

 

[extragreen]

Should people on both the no fly and terrorist watch lists have the prohibitions eliminated from their lives?

Here's another question you probably won't answer........Is it OK for people on both the no fly list and the terrorist watch list to be able to fly with guns and ammo on their person?

 

[i am herdman]

• The shooters used weapons they did not purchase (sounds like a straw purchase or illegal transfer).
  
  
  
  
• The shooters modified guns to accept high-capacity magazines.
  
  
  
  
• The shooters modified guns for automatic fire.

 

[ThunderCat98]

Fwiw, the fact that one is an expressly guaranteed Constitutional right and the other is not makes your comparison a little ridiculous, Greed.

 

[extragreen]

Fwiw, the fact that one is an expressly guaranteed Constitutional right and the other is not makes your comparison a little ridiculous, Greed.

You cons must like to dance. Here's the questions.....

1.Should people on both the no fly and terrorist watch lists have the prohibitions eliminated from their lives?

2.Is it OK for people on both the no fly list and the terrorist watch list to be able to fly with guns and ammo on their person?

 

[herdfan429]

Greed is it ok for ANYBODY to fly with guns and ammo on them? Shut the fvck up with your asinine irrelevant straw man argument

 

[i am herdman]

Greed is it ok for ANYBODY to fly with guns and ammo on them? Shut the fvck up with your asinine irrelevant straw man argument

He likes to argue just to argue. He doesn't make sense a lot.

 

[extragreen]

Greed is it ok for ANYBODY to fly with guns and ammo on them? Shut the fvck up with your asinine irrelevant straw man argument

Why don't you COWARDS answer the questions? Too tough for you? Too many syllables?

1.Should people on both the no fly and terrorist watch lists have the prohibitions eliminated from their lives?

2.Is it OK for people on both the no fly list and the terrorist watch list to be able to fly with guns and ammo on their person?

 

[herdfan429]

I have already answered them you are just to damn dense to figure it out.

 

[extragreen]

I have already answered them you are just to damn dense to figure it out.

No. You don't get to make irrelevant remarks or ask me a question and then declare you answered the questions. Here they are again.......coward:

1.Should people on both the no fly and terrorist watch lists have the prohibitions eliminated from their lives?

2.Is it OK for people on both the no fly list and the terrorist watch list to be able to fly with guns and ammo on their person?

 

[i am herdman]

No. You don't get to make irrelevant remarks or ask me a question and then declare you answered the questions. Here they are again.......coward:

1.Should people on both the no fly and terrorist watch lists have the prohibitions eliminated from their lives?

2.Is it OK for people on both the no fly list and the terrorist watch list to be able to fly with guns and ammo on their person?

You are pain in the ass.