DD coming back
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Perkins just came 3 times.
Horrible decision on the part of this administration. We may be "under new management", but it's the same product.
At least the big question was answered.
Yes, Marshall is simply FIU, and content with simply participating in basketball, without regard to wins and losses.
Yes, Marshall is simply FIU, and content with simply participating in basketball, without regard to wins and losses.
I wonder what cool t-shirts we'll see Dan wearing next season. Oh the suspense!
Bad question. It has nothing to do with recruiting and/or coaching abilities. We're fielding a team. Show up to games, contribute all you can afford to the program, and simply enjoy the fact that the Thundering Herd is participating in basketball. Wins and losses DO NOT MATTER. It's rah, rah, rah, let's all root for the team, even if they're down by 32 to another team that doesn't put much effort into their program either.
We know your thoughts on Dan. Let's hear some updates on your take on Spears and Brad?? This is their decision
Good seats a plenty in the lower bowl next year. Gosh my seats in 102 had vacancies all around in every game this year.
Wrong question. No thinking human is capable of thinking DD can turn this around, in one year or ten years.
They just don’t care. This is a token effort.
1 great and 7 average to bad years. Never once being in contention for the best conference record.
Spears has lost me on his first week on the job.
Dan Dan is a good coach, I do not see why everyone gives him such a hard time. He lost some key players last year, let’s give the guy a chance to rebuild. He is the only Marshall coach to win a NCAA tournament game.
+ I think that, third day on the job, it was the safe play. Based on Sam’s opinion of our basketball program historically, what difference does another 1 or 2 seasons make? At a minimum, I would expect some turnover on the staff……..
Spears was in a tough spot. First week on the job with, to be honest, bigger fish to fry getting us out of CUSA and into SBC. Not a great time to have to focus on hiring a new coach and paying them more than the current one makes.
This time next year he can win either way: DD turns it around (unlikely) or we suck again and he has made the case to make a change and can say he gave him a shot fix it.
This time next year he can win either way: DD turns it around (unlikely) or we suck again and he has made the case to make a change and can say he gave him a shot fix it.
Most that are in awe at practice think DD can turn it around and beat teams like Ky Kansas Duke etc. just watch practice and see DD pat the sitters on the back and tell them how good his team is. They slobber all the wayhome
You really think he made this call on his own? Three days into his job? This was a collaborative decision by Spears, Brad Smith and likely Jeff O'Malley as well. O'Malley knows the history and background of DD's tenure. jmho
It does not really matter now if DD is fired next year, or just retires in four or five years. The single question about the new regime has been answered. This is a token effort. We are playing MBB because, well, we have to. Its a rule. They are giving it the minimum resources possible. The fact that DD comes cheap is a part of that.
Recruits will know that, and we, as fans and as donors to the program should know it as well. They are not trying. And, when DD goes, whenever that is, the replacement will either be from his staff or some retread loser coach. They just do not care.
That question answered, there are a few more, we shall find out in the coming months.
I assume that the regime is all in on football. Otherwise, what is the point?
As to the “Olympic sports” my assumption likewise is this a token effort. Minimum resources.
As to soccer, my assumption is that the previous regime has committed major resources to that program and I want to believe that this crew will continue to fund it. I hope so. We shall see.
As to baseball, we shall see. If they are down for a token effort we will see the park quietly put on the back burner and eventually forgotten about.
But basketball? Question answered. We are not trying and are not going to try.
Recruits will know that, and we, as fans and as donors to the program should know it as well. They are not trying. And, when DD goes, whenever that is, the replacement will either be from his staff or some retread loser coach. They just do not care.
That question answered, there are a few more, we shall find out in the coming months.
I assume that the regime is all in on football. Otherwise, what is the point?
As to the “Olympic sports” my assumption likewise is this a token effort. Minimum resources.
As to soccer, my assumption is that the previous regime has committed major resources to that program and I want to believe that this crew will continue to fund it. I hope so. We shall see.
As to baseball, we shall see. If they are down for a token effort we will see the park quietly put on the back burner and eventually forgotten about.
But basketball? Question answered. We are not trying and are not going to try.
it's been a token effort Sam. before DD got here and now. before smith and spears got here too. glad you figured it out.
Hardly. We have had, over the years, many good coaches. Some worked out, some didn’t. Some were good hires, some were mistakes. Some left us high and dry, some were kept on too long. Some were retreads that did not deserve the second chance we gave them. Some were great assistants bound for big time success. But ALL were men who were legitimate men and were a part of a legitimate effort. They were trying and the management at the time was trying.
This isn’t trying. This is hiring a retired HS coach and gym teacher. This is a token effort.
well, my point is that we haven't spent significantly on basketball in over 40 years so that's a token effort. the fact that DD is staying another year doesn't change that one way or another, it just pissess off much of the fan base that wanted change now.
if you want context, if the token effort hiring a HS coach and gymn teacher took us to the pinnacle of our basketball history, what the hell kind of results did we get from those legitimate efforts?? you are missing the forest for the trees. our token effort isn't so much who we hire and fire, or when we hire or fire them, it's how much the school and fans invest in the program...and that is our token effort. it's as simple as you get what you pay for.
There is a difference between failure and not trying. Anybody who is worth a darn has tried his or her darnedest at something and just couldn’t do it. That is failure.
This is just plain old not trying.
The idea that DD is losing because we don’t spend enough money on the sport is as laughable as the excuses DD spewed in his last press conference. We spend, by CUSA/SBC standards, plenty of treasure and time on MBB.
At least that was true. It is clear today that we have decided to make a token effort.
This is just plain old not trying.
The idea that DD is losing because we don’t spend enough money on the sport is as laughable as the excuses DD spewed in his last press conference. We spend, by CUSA/SBC standards, plenty of treasure and time on MBB.
At least that was true. It is clear today that we have decided to make a token effort.
Sam can have his own adventure, where he ventures through the industrial graveyard of Huntington, through the flood waters of 20th St, finally to the structure of The Shewey Building where he battles the given up spirit of DD to toss DD's contract into the current of the Ohio River with Frodo looking on in support.
It'll be his Tolkien effort.
I honestly believe this is his final year regardless.
DD loses next season, oh well, thanks for the memories.
If he wins and makes another NCAA tournament, he ends on a high note.
the last 40 years there is one constant...and it's not DD.
DD has only been here for 8-9 of those...delivering a couple of poor seasons, this year is one of the poorest in decades. He also delivered the all time high. pretty good result for not trying. if we were trying before (despite not investing) we just aren't very good at it if our pinnacle is the one lucky 8 day run that the HS gymn teacher/coach delivered and he was hired because we quit trying.
I'd like to here you go over when we were trying and the results.
I bet MU's argument would be "well the facilities were largely the same when you arrived, Dan, so why should we put money into improving when there's a dozen other projects we listed first?"
Dan did a lot to sell the product on the court, as did the HD...they somehow got people to care about MU being in a 4th rate tournament to see Elmore take the scoring title.
I'm not sure what MU could do more within their realm of rationality. Dan was wanting a multi-million dollar arena to be built at one point...when MU struggles to get the Cam up to code.
In the end, it was all about wins and losses and Dan wasn't able to make it happen.
This regime is on record as stating that 12-21, 10-21 vs. DI opponents, and 140-120, 133-120 vs. DI opponents, with one win over a team from a multi-bid conference out of nearly 30 tries, is acceptable for retention.
So next year, in a new conference that is yet less regarded that the previous one, eight or ten wins gets the job done. The very same people that thought this was acceptable will be making the decision yet again. No real reason to believe their values will change.
DD will be here until he wants to leave or his health fails him. His replacement will be held to a similar low standard. We are not trying.
Interesting. You think Brad and Spears will let DD stay as long as he wants. Wow. You must be really disappointed in the AD and President hires we made.
Not really. As to the president, if the president of any college spends more than a total of three minutes in his day thinking about the athletic program, the school is in trouble. MU is WAY more important to this state than the Herd is. This state is in real trouble and MU is one of the few bright spots for its economic future. I think it was a great hire. We have already accomplished the repeal of the evil soda pop tax and replaced it with a fair (fairer) funding for all the medical schools.
As to the AD, I think its a combination of two things. DD has powerful friends. His entire family is connected to the state education bureaucracy and his sister is on the BOG. The governor loves him. Whatever the AD might want to do, everyone has limits to his authority and has to pick and choose which hill to die on. The last AD was emasculated in public. If the man wants the job, DD was the price of admission.
The other is that, bluntly, MU has demonstrated, under a large number of coaches, that we can toss out a steaming pile and the same 4000 local gentry that always go, will go watch it. We get what we get from the SBC in terms of ESPN money. Winning at basketball isn’t going to change that one cent. So a major push in basketball’s ONLY reward is at the live gate. MU could, IMHO, go 25-5 and MAYBE we would draw 7000/night. Or we can do a token effort and make more $$ losing.
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