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Interesting, he notes nothing since 03. 8 of these were under the Pruett era.
Agree, this is one man's list, and it states he had to eliminate some very good wins to get to "his" list.That list is silly. To say the ECU win is bigger than the C-USA title win in 2014 , no way. ECU was a 6-6 school in C-USA that season. Granted it was one heck of a comeback and exciting. There was nothing extra special about that other than a nice win that created some buzz on a highlight reel that weekend.. Beating Maryland, an ACC and now Big 10 school, in a bowl not better than Louisville in 98? Good grief. UL was in C-USA and had a 7-5 record. A nice win to cap off a good season but in no way a better win. I would suggest the win over UL in 2011 was a bigger win for the program at that time. UL was in the Big East and had a 7-6 record. How about the Purdue win at home in 2015? That was a win over a Big 10 school something we had not done before.Granted Purdue did not have a great season. In my world that was a bigger win than Miami in 02 who was 7-5 in the MAC. I get people wanted Doc gone but this is silly to exclude any win since 03. I get the placement of Xavier and ETSU on the list but the exclusion of any win since 03 is dumb
But, but, Pruett cheated. 😏
Maybe Montana in 96?
A lot of those old wins (like Clemson) benefit from time and distance. Clemson that year was probably on par with Purdue in 2015; just wins over "name" schools when their teams were completely atrocious.
That list is silly. To say the ECU win is bigger than the C-USA title win in 2014 , no way. ECU was a 6-6 school in C-USA that season. Granted it was one heck of a comeback and exciting. There was nothing extra special about that other than a nice win that created some buzz on a highlight reel that weekend.. Beating Maryland, an ACC and now Big 10 school, in a bowl not better than Louisville in 98? Good grief. UL was in C-USA and had a 7-5 record. A nice win to cap off a good season but in no way a better win. I would suggest the win over UL in 2011 was a bigger win for the program at that time. UL was in the Big East and had a 7-6 record. How about the Purdue win at home in 2015? That was a win over a Big 10 school something we had not done before.Granted Purdue did not have a great season. In my world that was a bigger win than Miami in 02 who was 7-5 in the MAC. I get people wanted Doc gone but this is silly to exclude any win since 03. I get the placement of Xavier and ETSU on the list but the exclusion of any win since 03 is dumb
That list is silly. To say the ECU win is bigger than the C-USA title win in 2014 , no way. ECU was a 6-6 school in C-USA that season. Granted it was one heck of a comeback and exciting. There was nothing extra special about that other than a nice win that created some buzz on a highlight reel that weekend.. Beating Maryland, an ACC and now Big 10 school, in a bowl not better than Louisville in 98? Good grief. UL was in C-USA and had a 7-5 record. A nice win to cap off a good season but in no way a better win. I would suggest the win over UL in 2011 was a bigger win for the program at that time. UL was in the Big East and had a 7-6 record. How about the Purdue win at home in 2015? That was a win over a Big 10 school something we had not done before.Granted Purdue did not have a great season. In my world that was a bigger win than Miami in 02 who was 7-5 in the MAC. I get people wanted Doc gone but this is silly to exclude any win since 03. I get the placement of Xavier and ETSU on the list but the exclusion of any win since 03 is dumb
Maryland And Purdue were both good wins and the Purdue game was electric.
Spot on with your post, can’t ignore the positive games during Doc’s tenure.
I don’t think so at all. Clemson record was not impressive but three of their losses were to the three undefeated teams that year. FSU, Va tech and Marshall. They lost to the national champs by same score they did Marshall that year (same field too). I don’t see that Purdue team staying within 3 of national champsA lot of those old wins (like Clemson) benefit from time and distance. Clemson that year was probably on par with Purdue in 2015; just wins over "name" schools when their teams were completely atrocious.
Sorry licious I don’t believe that’s true. Clemson had a good team that year. 3 of their losses were FG losses to the 3 undefeated IA teams FSU, Va Tech and Marshall.
South Carolina SEC in 98 is a better comparison. They were 1-10.
When you have to prop up the competition through measuring how many points they lost to others by, just to strengthen your case about your own team, you're covering for a weak base to begin with.
When you have to prop up the competition through measuring how many points they lost to others by, just to strengthen your case about your own team, you're covering for a weak base to begin with.
I don’t have to prop up anything. If you can’t see the difference between a 6 win Clemson team who had 3 close losses to that years national champion, that years runner up and the other undefeated and top 10 team that year vs a terrible Purdue team that we played at home then I don’t know what to tell you.When you have to prop up the competition through measuring how many points they lost to others by, just to strengthen your case about your own team, you're covering for a weak base to begin with.
I don’t have to prop up anything. If you can’t see the difference between a 6 win Clemson team who had 3 close losses to that years national champion, that years runner up and the other undefeated and top 10 team that year vs a terrible Purdue team that we played at home then I don’t know what to tell you.
What’s funny is you ignored my genuine comparison which was the 98 win over South Carolina. It was a great win for us because it was a SEC school but they won 1 game and the only thing that makes it notable is that they are in the SEC. Purdue was terrible but it was exciting because they were in the Big 10 but like South Carolina if they had a non P5 helmet nobody would have been impressed.
Unless you bet on those games, scores and results don't matter. Wins are wins, losses are losses.A little different in this case. 50% of Clemson's losses were at the hands of the 3 regular season undefeated in Div I A football. Two of the three were in the National Championship.
If you can't accept validity to that then I'm not sure if you are being deliberately naive and/or just wanting to devalue Pruett's accomplishments.
Marshall University beating Clemson on the road as a member of the MAC in the start of their 3rd season in IA was a big win, and no W/L doesn’t always tell the story. Marshall was 12-1 in 1998 but because of the schedule I have no idea how good they were that year. I think we were good because of the amount of pros that ended up in the NFL and CFL from that team but because of how weak the schedule I don’t know.
Clemson lost 5 regular season games in 1999. Their losses were to the number 1 team in the country at home by 3, the number 2 team in the country away by 19 (their worst loss), the number 10 team in the country at home by 3, away at the number 13th ranked team in the country by 3 and finally at NC State by 4.
They then lost the Peach Bowl to number 15 Miss State by 10.
They played 6 ranked teams and lost to 5 of them. The 5 losses were by an average of 7 points. They lost to the 3 undefeated regular season DI teams, one being the National champs.
All 6 of their wins were against P5 teams including beating a ranked Virginia team.
My point is all records are not created equal and Clemson had a good football team in 1999 and it easily on the list as one of our better wins.
Clemson in 1998 had 3 wins. As you said, MU was 12-1 and even with a weak schedule that is good.Marshall University beating Clemson on the road as a member of the MAC in the start of their 3rd season in IA was a big win, and no W/L doesn’t always tell the story. Marshall was 12-1 in 1998 but because of the schedule I have no idea how good they were that year. I think we were good because of the amount of pros that ended up in the NFL and CFL from that team but because of how weak the schedule I don’t know.
Clemson lost 5 regular season games in 1999. Their losses were to the number 1 team in the country at home by 3, the number 2 team in the country away by 19 (their worst loss), the number 10 team in the country at home by 3, away at the number 13th ranked team in the country by 3 and finally at NC State by 4.
They then lost the Peach Bowl to number 15 Miss State by 10.
They played 6 ranked teams and lost to 5 of them. The 5 losses were by an average of 7 points. They lost to the 3 undefeated regular season DI teams, one being the National champs.
All 6 of their wins were against P5 teams including beating a ranked Virginia team.
My point is all records are not created equal and Clemson had a good football team in 1999 and it easily on the list as one of our better wins.
Clemson in 1998 had 3 wins. As you said, MU was 12-1 and even with a weak schedule that is good.
Wouldn't MU have been favored to win over Clemson in 1999?
Deflection. Winning in Death Valley is a hell of a feat. We ran the table in 1999 and were a hell of a ball team. Nothing you can say can take away from that. We were a damn good team and I will not let you tarnish that with poppycock.Clemson in 1998 had 3 wins. As you said, MU was 12-1 and even with a weak schedule that is good.
Wouldn't MU have been favored to win over Clemson in 1999?