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FBI goes after Pro Life dad

more abuse by the new KGB I mean FBI . Where does it stop this abuse of power?

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/shocking-fbi-raid-on-home-of-pro-life-family/

They are after the pillow guy, parents who voice dissent at PTA meeting, those who fly a Trump flag on their porch and now someone who believes life is sacred

But we know the DOJ and FBI is not becoming more politicized... Right??? After all Garland said it wouldn't be...

 
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Maybe don’t shove 70 year old men to the ground outside PP clinics.

Twice.

Cause and effect. Maybe a 70 year old man should be mature enough not to tell a 12 year old boy that his dad is "a fag"...

Wait, I've often heard liberals call conservatives homophobic... So I guess the 70 year must be conservative since he's homophobic...
 
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Yeah. Sounds exactly like something the FBI should be pouring federal government resources into, as opposed to citing him with a state misdemeanor. Idiot.
It literally is since it’s against a federal law to do that to intimidate people outside an abortion clinic, yes.

The law had, by the way, a decent amount of Republican support when it was passed.
 
It literally is since it’s against a federal law to do that to intimidate people outside an abortion clinic, yes.

The law had, by the way, a decent amount of Republican support when it was passed.

Hmmm...

Wasn't it the 70 year old man that was trying to intimidate a 12 year old outside of an abortion clinic???

Funny how there are always two sides to every story but so many only want to see one side of it, including evidently the DOJ and FBI...
 
And anyone defending or dismissing this is a part of the problem...

"A SWAT team of 25 to 30 FBI agents swarmed their property with 15 vehicles at 7 am this morning."

Public Enemy No. 1 only warranted 20 FBI agents AND police...


"Twenty FBI agents and police officers staked out the theater and waited for him to emerge with Sage, who would be wearing an orange dress to identify herself."
 
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And anyone defending or dismissing this is a part of the problem...

"A SWAT team of 25 to 30 FBI agents swarmed their property with 15 vehicles at 7 am this morning."

Public Enemy No. 1 only warranted 20 FBI agents AND police...


"Twenty FBI agents and police officers staked out the theater and waited for him to emerge with Sage, who would be wearing an orange dress to identify herself."
They’re disputing that it went down like that, with that many agents. That’s the claim of the clown that got arrested. I’ll let time tell what actually happened before forming a judgement because that would be overkill if true.


Hmmm...

Wasn't it the 70 year old man that was trying to intimidate a 12 year old outside of an abortion clinic???

Funny how there are always two sides to every story but so many only want to see one side of it, including evidently the DOJ and FBI...
The 70 year old man was escorting women into planned parenthood while this prick took his kid with him to go yell at them. I know who I think the bad guy is in this story.
 
They’re disputing that it went down like that, with that many agents. That’s the claim of the clown that got arrested. I’ll let time tell what actually happened before forming a judgement because that would be overkill if true.

The 70 year old man was escorting women into planned parenthood while this prick took his kid with him to go yell at them. I know who I think the bad guy is in this story.

Well... we know the government and the media would never lie or distort the truth... Just ask the Native Americans...

And your zeolousy is showing with your name-calling...

Seems to me you just contradicted yourself below by the statements that you made as fact above...

I’ll let time tell what actually happened before forming a judgement because that would be overkill if true.

And what about the homophobic statements by the "kindly 70 year old man who was simply escorting women"???

There are cases of when assholes collide and this may indeed be one of them. But don't try to say that your mind isn't made up when it clearly is.

Point is, which should concern all of us, is the manner in which the DOJ and FBI is operating. We have seen several instances that this is happening when it is done for nothing but optics...

And Roger Stone and his wife are such a threat that this is what is needed to arrest them under cover of darkness...

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There are other examples...
 
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My mind is definitely made up that someone protesting, yelling at women walking into a PP clinic is a piece of shit. No argument there. Maybe the 70 year old dude is too, I don’t know.

If they actually went in with 25 FBI agents then that’s overkill. Doesn’t make the guy not a piece of shit.

There aren’t enough bad things that could happen to Roger that I would feel sorry for him.
 
My mind is definitely made up that someone protesting, yelling at women walking into a PP clinic is a piece of shit. No argument there. Maybe the 70 year old dude is too, I don’t know.

But again you say you are withholding judgement but you seem to state one side of the story as fact but the other side as not...

Sooo, what about this guy yelling at young women??? Is that what he is too???


If they actually went in with 25 FBI agents then that’s overkill. Doesn’t make the guy not a piece of shit.

And there you have the gist of the entire issue. It is an excessive and aggressive action by a federal police force and that should concern everyone.

You stated as fact the dad pushed the guy twice. Yet it was investigated by the local police and DA and charges were subsequently dropped. But somehow this isn't a political grandstanding event?

There aren’t enough bad things that could happen to Roger that I would feel sorry for him.

So you're OK with this kind of treatment by federal law enforcement agencies when you don't like or agree with someone politically???

Gotcha 👍
 
I’m withholding judgement on if the FBI response was overkill. An awful lot of the time these stories that get picked up by right wing blogs later turn out to be badly misrepresented, but again sure, if it was just some guy sitting in his house after PP protests and they sent in 25 agents that’s overkill and a stunt.

Though I’m unsure who the stunt would be for. I’m not seeing anything about this in the mainstream media so they must’ve missed the memo.
 
I’m withholding judgement on if the FBI response was overkill. An awful lot of the time these stories that get picked up by right wing blogs later turn out to be badly misrepresented, but again sure, if it was just some guy sitting in his house after PP protests and they sent in 25 agents that’s overkill and a stunt.

Though I’m unsure who the stunt would be for. I’m not seeing anything about this in the mainstream media so they must’ve missed the memo.

Yep, always right wing blogs... And how many times have left wing blogs done the same??? Or the mainstream media (is there really a difference...)???


 
On several occasions when Mark went to sidewalk counsel last year, he took his eldest son, who was only 12 at the time, she explained. For “weeks and weeks,” a “pro-abortion protester” would speak to the boy saying “crude … inappropriate and disgusting things,” such as “you’re dad’s a fag,” and other statements that were too vulgar for her to convey.

Repeatedly, Mark would tell this pro-abortion man that he did not have permission to speak to his son and please refrain from doing so.


Cause and effect. Maybe a 70 year old man should be mature enough not to tell a 12 year old boy that his dad is "a fag"...

The cause and effect is don't bring your child to what will likely be a volatile situation; it's borderline child endangerment, what a dumb motherfvcker. And I might add the potential for it to be volatile is due to the "pro-life Christians" harassing people...without them, everyone goes about their business in a normal manner.

I've watched this dumb shit on livestream before. The religious nuts hope you punch them so they can sue, the abortion rights crowd hopes you punch them so you go to jail. No one in their right mind would take a kid to that.

Can you imagine going to get a vasectomy and having a bunch of nuts yell at you? Some say it is a mortal sin. Going to a mental health appointment and having to run a gauntlet of Scientologists?
 
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Yep, always right wing blogs... And how many times have left wing blogs done the same??? Or the mainstream media (is there really a difference...)???


All the time. That’s why it’s best to withhold judgement on any breaking news type events until the facts are clear. See Uvalde for example.

But doubly so when it’s obviously politically motivated.
 
I've watched this dumb shit on livestream before. The religious nuts hope you punch them so they can sue, the abortion rights crowd hopes you punch them so you go to jail. No one in their right mind would take a kid to that.

And please refer to what I previously posted.

There are cases of when assholes collide and this may indeed be one of them.

Now, back to the original point. This was investigated and dismissed locally. Did it warrant the feds getting involved and if so, did it warrant an armed response by multiple agents?

I also refer back to the Covington kid at the pro-life rally. Who was the aggressor, who was the mature and composed party and how did the media report it at the time???

Sensible questions but abortion zealots can't see that.
 
And please refer to what I previously posted.



Now, back to the original point. This was investigated and dismissed locally. Did it warrant the feds getting involved and if so, did it warrant an armed response by multiple agents?

I also refer back to the Covington kid at the pro-life rally. Who was the aggressor, who was the mature and composed party and how did the media report it at the time???

Sensible questions but abortion zealots can't see that.
Whether or not it warranted the feds getting involved is up to a jury, but the FACE act is a federal law, not a state one. You can violate it without doing something a state would normally prosecute.
 
Whether or not it warranted the feds getting involved is up to a jury, but the FACE act is a federal law, not a state one. You can violate it without doing something a state would normally prosecute.
For petes sake Hokie even if the guy deserved a visit from the feds do you really think sending 25 guys was needed? Two guys on his porch would easily get the job done. All about intimidation
 
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Whether or not it warranted the feds getting involved is up to a jury, but the FACE act is a federal law, not a state one. You can violate it without doing something a state would normally prosecute.

And that is back to the original point - do we really need a federal police agency that provides for the likelihood to be politicized, just as it seems the DOJ and FBI are becoming?

I said the exact same thing when Bush pushed the Patriot Act - be careful what you wish for as this could definitely boomerang back around...

And the sentences...

"If convicted, the defendant faces a maximum possible sentence of 11 years in prison, three years of supervised release, and fines of up to $350,000."

Do they really fit the crime???
 
And that is back to the original point - do we really need a federal police agency that provides for the likelihood to be politicized, just as it seems the DOJ and FBI are becoming?

I said the exact same thing when Bush pushed the Patriot Act - be careful what you wish for as this could definitely boomerang back around...

And the sentences...

"If convicted, the defendant faces a maximum possible sentence of 11 years in prison, three years of supervised release, and fines of up to $350,000."

Do they really fit the crime???
Yes, it fits the crime. Stop terrorizing women walking into abortion clinics.


For petes sake Hokie even if the guy deserved a visit from the feds do you really think sending 25 guys was needed? Two guys on his porch would easily get the job done. All about intimidation
I’ve said several times in this thread that if 25 FBI agents actually showed up that’s overkill and some sort of stunt, though again I don’t know who they’re showing off for. I would like confirmation from someone other than the one guy that the response was actually that large. Or even close to it.

Guys I don’t like a lot of what the FBI does. I think they’re in general slime balls. That doesn’t mean every single that that they’re involved in is bad.
 
It literally is since it’s against a federal law to do that to intimidate people outside an abortion clinic, yes.
You do know not everything that could violate federal law is (1) even looked at or investigated, and/or (2) prosecuted, right? If it were, then the feds would be prosecuting every single drug trafficking offense. Know why they don't? Because some things, like this abortion clinic guy don't warrant federal resources - unless you're looking to make a political statement. Stop trying to defend the FBI's actions. They're indefensible. BTW, laughing my ass off that our resident LINO is okay with this.
 
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Yes, it fits the crime. Stop terrorizing women walking into abortion clinics.

Percentage wise I think there are more "peaceful protesters" outside a Planned Parenthood clinic than there were during the summer of 2020.

There is a lot of guilt and shame that comes with an abortion and it is an emotional issue and those young ladies are often sensitive to that, whether they are being witnessed to or subjected to condemnation. I think the Left has successfully overused the terrorist description of Pro-Life activists to the degree that ALL Pro-Lifers are considered terrorists (those that condemn rather than witness) to them.

I think your acceptance of the sentences for someone getting shoved is very telling...😥

some sort of stunt, though again I don’t know who they’re showing off for.

I believe you are the one that said the Republicans would suffer during the mid-term elections because of the overturning of Roe v. Wade. I'd say most of us therefore have a pretty good idea who they're showing off for...

Surely you aren't so blind to see that...

That doesn’t mean every single that that they’re involved in is bad.

No but it's easy to see when something is, that is, as long as you can take off your partisan blinders...
 
And please refer to what I previously posted.
No thanks, I will stick to my assessment that this guy is a dumb motherfvcker.
Did it warrant the feds getting involved and if so, did it warrant an armed response by multiple agents?
Beats me, I don't track prosecutions for such, and really don't care either way. See below for the answer to the second part. And an armed response? Are cops and federal agents ever not armed?
I think the Left has successfully overused the terrorist description of Pro-Life activists to the degree that ALL Pro-Lifers are considered terrorists (those that condemn rather than witness) to them.
To be fair, the activists that have been terrorists have been shockingly violent. And some activist leaders have had very close ties to those terrorists...or became terrorists themselves. There isn't as much of that lately, but you have to admit that for a while things got crazy around this issue.

BTW, laughing my ass off that our resident LINO is okay with this.
BTW, I'm laughing my ass off that an attorney lacks reading comprehension. My post makes no comment on the law, this prosecution, etc. I'm simply stating this guy is a dumb motherfvcker to bring his kid to something like this, and is an even dumber motherfvcker to then act indignant that someone would say something volatile to his kid at a volatile situation.

I'd say the same about the dumb motherfvckers over in Louisville that had their kids at the BLM stuff after the sun went down....you know the shitheads are going to start being shitheads when it gets dark, take your damn kids home. And yes, I saw kids there on the livestreams after dark. Super dumb, even dumber than this guy. Many people are dumb, especially when they feel strongly about something.

Do you want my opinion on the crime itself? Honestly, I don't care if someone has a little shoving match at the clinic protest. It's not right, but it isn't terrible. I understand why the FACE act was passed, and it is a good thing. As I noted above, shit got out of control back then. I'd chalk this up to, as someone else said, two assholes running into each other. I don't think what he did was done with intent to restrict access to the clinic. If I were the USAG, I wouldn't prosecute him.
It truly is unbelievable that he considers himself a libertarian...
It is truly unbelievable an attorney lacks reading comprehension. Even shitty attorneys should be decent readers.

I would say it is truly unbelievable that an intelligent, educated person as yourself thinks there is one form of libertarianism, but in reality even astute folks as yourself are largely ignorant of political and social theory. After all, we have been conditioned by schools and media to think an R is an R, a D is a D, a socialist is a socialist, etc. It really doesn't work that way.

I rarely cite Wikipedia, but damn if this isn't a decent list of the different branches of libertarianism. You would do well to check them out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_libertarianism

I am somewhere between classical liberalism and consequentialist libertarianism. "Hardcore" libertarianism, such as anarchists, are IMO naïve. Randians and true Objectivismists are full of shit, because Ayn Rand was largely full of shit.
Are they going to have their tubes tied or to get rid of their unborn baby?
In the Catholic Church (which is probably important, as we have somehow ended up with a Catholic majority SCOTUS that lets religion cloud its legal judgment), a mortal sin is a mortal sin. It cuts you off from the grace of God and requires excommunication. But not even getting an abortion is so bad that one cannot be forgiven and remission granted. So who is to say if we will not see protests against vasectomies? We already have one Justice (a Catholic, to boot!) that put it down on paper we should reconsider the right to contraception. Fvckin' weirdo.

You know, I really like Catholic church. By that, I mean Mass itself. I find it calming, as opposed to the Evangelical services that try to get you emotional, dancing or riled up. But the Catholic Church and its doctrine is weird, and way too complex.
This specific group/guy? Yeah, didn't think so.
You've seen one ballgame, you've seen them all. Sure, the scores might be different, but the rules are the same. It's not like this is some new conflict.

You would be wise to go back and re-read my post, actually comprehend it, and understand I think both sides act like morons. That's not the place to bring a kid.
 
No thanks, I will stick to my assessment that this guy is a dumb motherfvcker.

So you want to keep your streak of being wrong intact???

I would say it is truly unbelievable that an intelligent, educated person as yourself thinks there is one form of libertarianism,

Why thank you. I am intelligent and educated. I also believe from your posts that you lean towards the left side of the political spectrum which causes me to think that you are more liberal than libertarian.
 
So you want to keep your streak of being wrong intact???
Nah, he absolutely is a dumb motherfvcker. And if you can't see that, you are one too.
I also believe from your posts that you lean towards the left side of the political spectrum
Only on single payer health care...because, well, cost-benefit analysis and consequences. Believe me, if we could unbreak our current health care system I might come to a different conclusion, but I do not believe that is even remotely politically possible...we claimed that we were "fixing" it under Obama, but all we did was bring in the insurance lobby to write the bill. But is single payer really left? I mean, you get to keep for-profit providers, you only blow up the insurance companies, and what benefit do those leeches actually provide?
 
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