Few questions

[extragreen]

regarding the reopening of the email investigation before the FBI has access to the contents of the emails:

who sent the emails?

who received them?

what are they about?

do they involve hillary?

was there classified information on them?

 

[herdfan429]

regarding the reopening of the email investigation before the FBI has access to the contents of the emails:

who sent the emails?

who received them?

what are they about?

do they involve hillary?

was there classified information on them?

Umm no shit those are questions the FBI is going to ask

 

[herdfan429]

regarding the reopening of the email investigation before the FBI has access to the contents of the emails:

who sent the emails?

who received them?

what are they about?

do they involve hillary?

was there classified information on them?

Umm no shit those are questions the FBI is going to ask

 

[-CarlHungus-]

regarding the reopening of the email investigation before the FBI has access to the contents of the emails:

who sent the emails?

who received them?

what are they about?

do they involve hillary?

was there classified information on them?

I don't think anyone knows those answers yet.

Maybe they contain the emails that shady Donna Brazile sent giving them questions ahead of time for the democratic debates. Maybe they outline pay for play schemes.

But you're probably right, it's probably just yoga routines and floral arrangement ideas for Chelsea's wedding.

 

[andy4theherd]

agents working the Weiner (Democrat) underage sex child abuse scandal saw the emails. they confirmed they were "pertinent" to the Clinton investigation and pushed them up the chain. no further steps were taken until a warrant was obtained (2 days after letter sent by Comey).

an "unnamed" agent told Fox News that there was classified info in the emails.

 

[extragreen]

I don't think anyone knows those answers yet.

Maybe they contain the emails that shady Donna Brazile sent giving them questions ahead of time for the democratic debates. Maybe they outline pay for play schemes.

But you're probably right, it's probably just yoga routines and floral arrangement ideas for Chelsea's wedding.

Then why did Comey state the emails appear to be pertinent to the hillary investigation if these things are not known?

 

[-CarlHungus-]

Then why did Comey state the emails appear to be pertinent to the hillary investigation if these things are not known?

We don't know what he knows. Maybe he knew they were pertinent, maybe he didn't.

It's just too early to know. THey very well may be just duplicates. But they may be more ominous.

I don't know why he did what he did, but it's certainly no "vast right wing conspiracy" because just a week ago Comey was a hero to Dems and a villain to the GOP. Now it's the opposite. If both sides hate him he's probably a decent man.

My speculation (worth absolutely nothing) is that too many in the NYPD saw something they thought was serious (maybe they were wrong, who knows) and told Comey "you deal with this or it's going to get leaked...etc" so Comey had his hand forced. I'm not sure what kind of in depth thorough investigation Comey did in the first place though to not even look at Hillary's right-hand-woman's PC anyway, so he probably should have done this months ago.

 

[andy4theherd]

Then why did Comey state the emails appear to be pertinent to the hillary investigation if these things are not known?

do you honestly think the field agents investigating Weiner stumbled on a folder with 600k saved emails on his laptop and didn't open and look at any of them? why would they have any reason to tell their supervisors (and eventually Comey) about this device if they had no clue what was on it? they know EXACTLY what's in there...

Comey knew this was HUGE and could even swing the election. i guarantee he wanted nothing to do with it, but it was so HUGE that he had to act now or face consequences when it eventually came out after the election.

rumor that the folder these emails were stored in was titled, "Life Insurance"......just a rumor....

 

[extragreen]

We don't know what he knows. Maybe he knew they were pertinent, maybe he didn't.

It's just too early to know. THey very well may be just duplicates. But they may be more ominous.

I don't know why he did what he did, but it's certainly no "vast right wing conspiracy" because just a week ago Comey was a hero to Dems and a villain to the GOP. Now it's the opposite. If both sides hate him he's probably a decent man.

My speculation (worth absolutely nothing) is that too many in the NYPD saw something they thought was serious (maybe they were wrong, who knows) and told Comey "you deal with this or it's going to get leaked...etc" so Comey had his hand forced. I'm not sure what kind of in depth thorough investigation Comey did in the first place though to not even look at Hillary's right-hand-woman's PC anyway, so he probably should have done this months ago.

Comey can't know whether they are pertinent or not unless the emails were read without obtaining a warrant, right?

 

[HerdFan76]

The Life Insurance folder cracks me up.

 

[extragreen]

do you honestly think the field agents investigating Weiner stumbled on a folder with 600k saved emails on his laptop and didn't open and look at any of them?

Then why was a warrant necessary?

 

[-CarlHungus-]

Comey can't know whether they are pertinent or not unless the emails were read without obtaining a warrant, right?

If the NYPD said what subject matter the emails cover (and some may have been unrelated to kiddie porn but related to private server emails), then I don't think the word "pertinent" is inappropriate.

He may not have read the emails, but he could have been told some subject matter they contain.

Again, I'm speculating here.

 

[andy4theherd]

Fox just reporting that "unnamed source" has confirmed "metadata analysis confirms emails from Hillary Clinton are on Weiner's PC"

 

[extragreen]

If the NYPD said what subject matter the emails cover (and some may have been unrelated to kiddie porn but related to private server emails), then I don't think the word "pertinent" is inappropriate.

He may not have read the emails, but he could have been told some subject matter they contain.

Again, I'm speculating here.

Then shouldn't Comey be able to tell us that the emails ARE pertinent, not MAY be pertinent.

 

[andy4theherd]

you are getting hung up on semantics. Comey is an experienced prosecutor. he is not going to back himself into a corner with words...

i don't think i've met an attorney (I worked in the auto insurance claims business for 10 years) that ever used absolutes in their vocabulary...

 

[extragreen]

Fox just reporting that "unnamed source" has confirmed "metadata analysis confirms emails from Hillary Clinton are on Weiner's PC"

I understand that to a slight degree andy, but how can they be considered pertinent to hillary if the content is not known.

 

[extragreen]

you are getting hung up on semantics. Comey is an experienced prosecutor. he is not going to back himself into a corner with words...

i don't think i've met an attorney (I worked in the auto insurance claims business for 10 years) that ever used absolutes in their vocabulary...

No, I'm not. If the content of the emails is not known, how can you justify reopening the investigation on hillary.

 

[andy4theherd]

I understand that to a slight degree andy, but how can they be considered pertinent to hillary if the content is not known.

the FBI has had a warrant for almost 24 hours now. a metadata search of text files (emails) would take less than an hour with the FBI's hardware to confirm there are emails from Clinton.

 

[andy4theherd]

No, I'm not. If the content of the emails is not known, how can you justify reopening the investigation on hillary.

as i stated above, the FBI has the hardware and software to pull only Hillary's emails out of the 600k (or however many) in less than an hour. if the "Classified" headers were not removed from those emails it would take seconds to know that. agents wouldn't even have to review the actual contents.

 

[andy4theherd]

it would be similar to walking out to your physical mailbox and knowing what was junk mail and what was important without opening any of the actual letters...

 

[Herdfaninnoke]

The FBI already has wieners laptop for its investigation into him. While searching his computer they (FBI) uncovered over 600,000 emails connected to Clinton foundation and/or Clinton state department. Without a warrant were blocked from opening these communications. Comey had to go to congress because DOJ was dragging its feets (look into McCabe and connection with VA govenor).

Clinton could have ended this all by releasing everything a long time ago.

 

[andy4theherd]

Clinton could have ended this all by releasing everything a long time ago.

or if Humma had turned everything over like she swore under oath that she did...

 

[extragreen]

the FBI has had a warrant for almost 24 hours now. a metadata search of text files (emails) would take less than an hour with the FBI's hardware to confirm there are emails from Clinton.

I'm not questioning whether or not there are emails from hillary, I'm questioning how Comey could say they appear to be pertinent.

 

[andy4theherd]

I'm not questioning whether or not there are emails from hillary, I'm questioning how Comey could say they appear to be pertinent.

all we can do is speculate. he obviously knows something. maybe the emails are stored in individual folders. maybe one of them says, "classified info sent from HRC". maybe they are saved by their subject lines. my guess is that the classified headers are visible without opening any of the actual files...

he wanted this to be over in July. he was praised by the POTUS, DOJ, and Clinton. now he will be hung on the cross if she loses...

 

[herdfan429]

No, I'm not. If the content of the emails is not known, how can you justify reopening the investigation on hillary.

Maybe the email sender said HRC. That right there would make them pertinent to prior investigation. Stop being dense it's not rocket science. If I'm the course of their investigation into weiner they find emails sent to and from hrc from huma then they could be pertinent

 

[ThunderCat98]

I understand that to a slight degree andy, but how can they be considered pertinent to hillary if the content is not known.

My guess is they are "pertinent" based on (1) who the emails were to/from, and (2) the dates they were sent. "Pertinent" is not synonymous with "incriminating." Likewise, it doesn't preclude them from being incriminating.

For example, if the data shows these e-mails occurred within the same timeframe as the 30,000+ emails that Hills and co. deleted, they are newly discovered evidence that the Feebs weren't privy to the first go-round. That would certainly make them "pertinent" without having to examine them for content. In that scenario, they were made "pertinent" by Hills attempts to hide them from everyone.

Throwing political allegiances out the window for a moment, common sense tells you that someone doesn't go to all the trouble Hills did to hide/destroy these emails unless there was something in or on them that could hurt her. Surely even you would admit that?

 

[andy4theherd]

reporting now that Huma forwarded EVERY email she sent/received or was copied on (State Department, Clinton Foundation, ect) to her personal yahoo account and stored on the laptop in question...

sounds like Huma is definitely going down. depends on what is in the emails if Hillary goes too...

in the Real World Hillary would get no less than an Obstruction charge, but we all know this is the Clinton World we live in...

 

[extragreen]

My guess is they are "pertinent" based on (1) who the emails were to/from, and (2) the dates they were sent. "Pertinent" is not synonymous with "incriminating." Likewise, it doesn't preclude them from being incriminating.

For example, if the data shows these e-mails occurred within the same timeframe as the 30,000+ emails that Hills and co. deleted, they are newly discovered evidence that the Feebs weren't privy to the first go-round. That would certainly make them "pertinent" without having to examine them for content. In that scenario, they were made "pertinent" by Hills attempts to hide them from everyone.

Throwing political allegiances out the window for a moment, common sense tells you that someone doesn't go to all the trouble Hills did to hide/destroy these emails unless there was something in or on them that could hurt her. Surely even you would admit that?

I am not being political in this conversation. I just don't understand how the fact that emails from or to hillary can appear to be pertinent to the investigation when the content is not known. If Comey had said the emails MIGHT be pertinent, then that's more understandable to me. And if he had said the emails MIGHT be pertinent, then he wouldn't have had to reopen the case in the last 2 weeks of this campaign. It would be a lot easier after the campaigns are over for him to defend his non action at this time by saying the content was unknown. However if there is no pertinent information found, he will have done a lot of damage to his institution by unnecessarily influencing the presidential campaign.

 

[andy4theherd]

Fox now confirming "highly classified information sent from Hillary Clinton" on the laptop...

wikileaks also just released Donna Brazile fed question to Hillary at a second debate in Michigan.

 

[extragreen]

reporting now that Huma forwarded EVERY email she sent/received or was copied on (State Department, Clinton Foundation, ect) to her personal yahoo account and stored on the laptop in question...

If that's the case, that "appears" to be very stupid.

 

[30Kelly]

regarding the reopening of the email investigation before the FBI has access to the contents of the emails:

who sent the emails?

who received them?

what are they about?

do they involve hillary?

was there classified information on them?

Does any of this matter? You will simply downplay every one of these questions once they're answered.

 

[andy4theherd]

I am not being political in this conversation. I just don't understand how the fact that emails from or to hillary can appear to be pertinent to the investigation when the content is not known. If Comey had said the emails MIGHT be pertinent, then that's more understandable to me. And if he had said the emails MIGHT be pertinent, then he wouldn't have had to reopen the case in the last 2 weeks of this campaign. It would be a lot easier after the campaigns are over for him to defend his non action at this time by saying the content was unknown. However if there is no pertinent information found, he will have done a lot of damage to his institution by unnecessarily influencing the presidential campaign.

use the example i gave above. you have a very good idea about what kind of mail you got from the mailman just by looking at the outside without opening it. that applies in a sense to files stored on a computer.

 

[extragreen]

Does any of this matter? You will simply downplay every one of these questions once they're answered.

That's not the point. The point is how can the emails be considered pertinent without having that information.

 

[extragreen]

use the example i gave above. you have a very good idea about what kind of mail you got from the mailman just by looking at the outside without opening it. that applies in a sense to files stored on a computer.

That makes sense IF the email headers provided such clues, and maybe they did. But that kind of info could be released when Comey wrote the letter to Congress.

 

[andy4theherd]

hell, just go check your personal email right now. i bet you have a good idea what's in most of them without opening/reading them. i get 50 to 100 a day. the first thing i do is go through put a check mark beside most of them and hit "delete" without even opening them...

 

[Herdfaninnoke]

current report is stating meta data found on wieners computer does contain state dept emails and govt records and virtual certainty classified data. The laptop was used to back up huma's contacts and unknowingly downloaded he emails as well.

 

[andy4theherd]

see the "(U)" in the subject line? that is an example of the "classified markings" you keep hearing about. this is visible without opening the email. one of the purposes of such markings is so the person receiving the email knows before opening it that there is classified information. that way you don't go opening it down at the local bar while Bubba is looking over your shoulder...

 

[extragreen]

hell, just go check your personal email right now. i bet you have a good idea what's in most of them without opening/reading them. i get 50 to 100 a day. the first thing i do is go through put a check mark beside most of them and hit "delete" without even opening them...

Then couldn't that kind of info could be released when Comey wrote the letter to Congress. As it stands right now, the public is left in total mystery as to why the emails are pertinent.

 

[extragreen]

see the "(U)" in the subject line? that is an example of the "classified markings" you keep hearing about. this is visible without opening the email. one of the purposes of such markings is so the person receiving the email knows before opening it that there is classified information. that way you don't go opening it down at the local bar while Bubba is looking over your shoulder...

Then Comey could simply have said the emails ARE classified.

 

[30Kelly]

see the "(U)" in the subject line? that is an example of the "classified markings" you keep hearing about. this is visible without opening the email. one of the purposes of such markings is so the person receiving the email knows before opening it that there is classified information. that way you don't go opening it down at the local bar while Bubba is looking over your shoulder...

Why is it that it took me 10 seconds to learn what Killary hasn't in 30 years?

 

[andy4theherd]

Then couldn't that kind of info could be released when Comey wrote the letter to Congress. As it stands right now, the public is left in total mystery as to why the emails are pertinent.

they didn't have a warrant when the letter was written. he had no legal grounds to provide any information. now, as this stuff comes out today he very well could give a press conference and say exactly what they have found. that would go completely against protocol for any type of investigation though...

what if Comey comes out and spills the beans on everything they have right now, then this goes before a Grand Jury. how are they going to get "impartial" jurors that haven't been swayed by what they've seen/heard on the news?