Free speech still has consequences

[ThunderCat98]

Was she free to do what she did? Absolutely. Was her company free to fire her for it? You bet.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/woman-fired-flipping-trumps-motorcade-702582?amp=1

 

[HerdBuckeye]

Don’t want her actions to interfere with all those government contracts.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I have an issue with employers controlling employee political speech that occurs off the clock. Especially an employer that takes government contracts. Certainly the employer is free to act politically.

This country needs a big dose of "mind your own business".

 

[raleighherdfan]

This country needs a big dose of "mind your own business".

A little hard to do when everyone vomits “their own” business all over social media.

 

[caliherd]

It’s amazing to me how people don’t understand the meaning of free speech. Executives have been fired from giant corporations because of personal opinions that are expressed on social media. The company felt it represented them in a bad light so boom. Done. They didn’t get arrested, they weren’t stopped by anybody from putting it on their Facebook page but their company fired them.

The courts continually side with employers on this.

 

[sistersville]

I have an issue with employers controlling employee political speech that occurs off the clock. Especially an employer that takes government contracts. Certainly the employer is free to act politically.

This country needs a big dose of "mind your own business".

Does that go for the liberal PC police who police every adjective out of our mouths?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

It’s amazing to me how people don’t understand the meaning of free speech. Executives have been fired from giant corporations because of personal opinions that are expressed on social media. The company felt it represented them in a bad light so boom. Done. They didn’t get arrested, they weren’t stopped by anybody from putting it on their Facebook page but their company fired them.

The courts continually side with employers on this.

I don't care what courts say. And I am well aware of what "free speech" actually entails. I just find it incredibly distasteful for employers to hold legitimate political speech against employees, especially ones that suckle the government teat. Remember, businesses have the right to donate enough political money to actually own and corrupt the system. The fvxk should any of them care if an employee gives POTUS the bird? They've been giving us the bird for a while now.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

A little hard to do when everyone vomits “their own” business all over social media.

Apparently you don't follow me on social media.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Does that go for the liberal PC police who police every adjective out of our mouths?

Up to a point, yes. Obviously work can't be a free-for-all.

 

[i am herdman]

I have an issue with employers controlling employee political speech that occurs off the clock. Especially an employer that takes government contracts. Certainly the employer is free to act politically.

This country needs a big dose of "mind your own business".

So, if I am in sales and do something out in the public that would embarrass the company or cause them harm in terms of image, then they should have no right to get rid of me?

 

[raleighherdfan]

Apparently you don't follow me on social media.

I'm not on social media.....................

 

[caliherd]

I don't care what courts say. And I am well aware of what "free speech" actually entails. I just find it incredibly distasteful for employers to hold legitimate political speech against employees, especially ones that suckle the government teat. Remember, businesses have the right to donate enough political money to actually own and corrupt the system. The fvxk should any of them care if an employee gives POTUS the bird? They've been giving us the bird for a while now.

I would honestly normally agree with you. But in this case I think the fact it went viral and it’s a picture of her flipping off the president. I don’t think there is much else they could do.

 

[extragreen]

I would honestly normally agree with you. But in this case I think the fact it went viral and it’s a picture of her flipping off the president. I don’t think there is much else they could do.

The company could've issued a statement saying they disagree with their employees form of protest but we (the company) believe in free speech. You know, since corporations are people.

 

[i am herdman]

The company could've issued a statement saying they disagree with their employees form of protest but we (the company) believe in free speech. You know, since corporations are people.

So, if your son would have flipped you off would have disciplined him?

 

[extragreen]

So, if your son would have flipped you off would have disciplined him?

Are we talking about a person losing their job due to flipping off the president's motorcade, or something rattling around in your head?

 

[i am herdman]

Are we talking about a person losing their job due to flipping off the president's motorcade, or something rattling around in your head?

I know most people in my company, particularly those who deal with the public, would be dismissed for being on social media flipping the POTUS the finger and that includes Obama getting the one finger salute.

 

[extragreen]

I know most people in my company, particularly those who deal with the public, would be dismissed for being on social media flipping the POTUS the finger and that includes Obama getting the one finger salute.

I know it's wrong to fire someone for flipping off the president, any of them. The president is a civilian. Not a god.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I'm not on social media.....................

I am, but I am pretty boring and keep personal business off of there.

 

[ThunderCat98]

I know it's wrong to fire someone for flipping off the president, any of them. The president is a civilian. Not a god.

Let's say your business has a bid in to get a contract to install all the cabinets in a new high-end apartment complex. This is potentially a high 6-figure paycheck. However, one of your employees hates the politics of the guy funding the project. This employee is then photographed flipping the guy off as he drives through town on the weekend. The picture makes the papers because the financier is somewhat of a local celebrity. This is brought to the financier's attention and he finds out the guy works for you. The financier makes it known to you that he does not intend to hire a company to work on his project that would have someone that crass and openly hostile to him on staff. He further implies that you could still get the contract if you fire the guy. What do you do?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

So, if I am in sales and do something out in the public that would embarrass the company or cause them harm in terms of image, then they should have no right to get rid of me?

I don't find legitimate political speech embarrassing. If your employer does, they are un-American and you should find a new employer.

And yes, flipping the bird is legit political speech. Personally I'd like to see the throwing of rotten produce make a comeback.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Let's say your business has a bid in to get a contract to install all the cabinets in a new high-end apartment complex. This is potentially a high 6-figure paycheck. However, one of your employees hates the politics of the guy funding the project. This employee is then photographed flipping the guy off as he drives through town on the weekend. The picture makes the papers because the financier is somewhat of a local celebrity. This is brought to the financier's attention and he finds out the guy works for you. The financier makes it known to you that he does not intend to hire a company to work on his project that would have someone that crass and openly hostile to him on staff. He further implies that you could still get the contract if you fire the guy. What do you do?

First I am assuming this mythical guy is a real asshole if he's not even in office but random people want to flip him off. Is this Trump pre-POTUS? Then I'd tell him he can tell me how to run my business when I can tell him how to run his. And to shove my bid up his ass. Life is too short to kiss some asshole's ass just for money.

 

[extragreen]

Let's say your business has a bid in to get a contract to install all the cabinets in a new high-end apartment complex. This is potentially a high 6-figure paycheck. However, one of your employees hates the politics of the guy funding the project. This employee is then photographed flipping the guy off as he drives through town on the weekend. The picture makes the papers because the financier is somewhat of a local celebrity. This is brought to the financier's attention and he finds out the guy works for you. The financier makes it known to you that he does not intend to hire a company to work on his project that would have someone that crass and openly hostile to him on staff. He further implies that you could still get the contract if you fire the guy. What do you do?

I've been in a similar situation. I told the person I didn't want the job that bad. I can get another.

 

[ThunderCat98]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe either of you.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe either of you.

If I were in the business of kissing ass my net worth would be a hell of a lot higher.

I spent 12 years being a corporate asshole that put money above my personal sense of ethics. No more. I'd rather be able to look at myself in the mirror.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I've been in a similar situation. I told the person I didn't want the job that bad. I can get another.

All of your former employees appreciated that.

 

[i am herdman]

I've been in a similar situation. I told the person I didn't want the job that bad. I can get another.

I don't think he meant six figures as in $1,432.26

 

[extragreen]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe either of you.

I really don't care.

 

[extragreen]

I don't think he meant six figures as in $1,432.26

You'd turn tricks with a black snake for a $1 bill. Not everyone else would.

 

[i am herdman]

You'd turn tricks with a black snake for a $1 bill. Not everyone else would.

No black snakes. That's gross.

 

[extragreen]

No black snakes. That's gross.

Ok then, white snakes.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Ok then, white snakes.

 

[i am herdman]

That is exactly what I was going to post. Hot chic in the White Snake video. hahhahahahaa

 

[GreenDuke]

Tawny Kitaen

 

[i am herdman]

Tawny Kitaen

Don't google her now. You will be disappointed.

 

[sistersville]

The company could've issued a statement saying they disagree with their employees form of protest but we (the company) believe in free speech. You know, since corporations are people.

What a pc company. No backbone

 

[sistersville]

All of your former employees appreciated that.

You would have fired a trump supporter. You would have fired him. Its your company u can fire who u want EG. Boy this new impeach the president is not going to hold water. He won but some want to committ treason. Not going to happen.

 

[sistersville]

Carter was bad but impeaching him would have been plain ignorant.

 

[extragreen]

You would have fired a trump supporter. You would have fired him. Its your company u can fire who u want EG. Boy this new impeach the president is not going to hold water. He won but some want to committ treason. Not going to happen.

I don't hire and fire people for not agreeing with my politics or other such things. I once had a republican and WVU fan working for me at the same time. I had a headache the whole time. True story, except for the headache.

 

[sistersville]

As you say when you hear the truth----- where is the proof.

 

[sistersville]

I don't care what courts say. And I am well aware of what "free speech" actually entails. I just find it incredibly distasteful for employers to hold legitimate political speech against employees, especially ones that suckle the government teat. Remember, businesses have the right to donate enough political money to actually own and corrupt the system. The fvxk should any of them care if an employee gives POTUS the bird? They've been giving us the bird for a while now.

Maybe because that company respects the office of the president of the united states.