I have finally reached my freezing point on this Herd basketball season. Notice I didn't use the term boiling point because this Herd is anything but hot. I've suffered through some horrendous stretches in my 56 years of following the Herd but I believe this is the nadir of MU bball. I just can't watch it anymore.
FREEZING POINT
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We know Danny won’t take responsibility for anything and it’s everyone’s fault except for him because he comes to work every day….evidently he believes everyone just believes whatever he says because he continues to throw stuff out to deflect his poor coaching and recruiting….
Now he’s using the excuse we’re losing due to being so young and tonight in his postgame he pulls out a paper and reads off how old Charlotte was and their top 7 are seniors and some being 5 year guys…..
Well coach of their starting 5 only 2 were seniors, and other 3 were freshman, sophomore and junior. And Braswell off the bench a junior.
Pretty sad coach, pretty sad
Now he’s using the excuse we’re losing due to being so young and tonight in his postgame he pulls out a paper and reads off how old Charlotte was and their top 7 are seniors and some being 5 year guys…..
Well coach of their starting 5 only 2 were seniors, and other 3 were freshman, sophomore and junior. And Braswell off the bench a junior.
Pretty sad coach, pretty sad
On the other board, a guy broke it down, that we have 7 guys who have been here at least two years, with most of them being here 3 or more. All of them have been starters prior to this season.
Now my thoughts..... for years we have heard how you can't just walk in and play Danny's system, it takes time to learn it. NOW, all of sudden we need transfers cause that is what is beating us. But......But..... I thought the system was tough to learn. Talking out of both sides of the mouth.
I have been one of Danny's biggest supporters, but when you start making contradicting excuses you lose me. He needs to man up and say I have done a LOUSY job.
There is no "DD system". Shooting a lot of 3, with no one posted up for a rebound, is not a "system". It is just bad coaching.
This is a "team" of individuals. They have stopped listening, not that it would be much better if they did, as the coach has nothing to say of value.
As to the excuse making, part of the act. This is straight out of 1960s and 70s coalfields basketball. Dozens of phys ed teachers who were local heroes because they were "genius" level coaches (never mind that they never were able to parlay this "genius" into a way out). Always had an excuse when they failed. Never their fault. This is what DD learned, although to his credit he did GTFO of the coalfields.
It is not going to get better. Leadership must be shown.
Fire DD.
This is a "team" of individuals. They have stopped listening, not that it would be much better if they did, as the coach has nothing to say of value.
As to the excuse making, part of the act. This is straight out of 1960s and 70s coalfields basketball. Dozens of phys ed teachers who were local heroes because they were "genius" level coaches (never mind that they never were able to parlay this "genius" into a way out). Always had an excuse when they failed. Never their fault. This is what DD learned, although to his credit he did GTFO of the coalfields.
It is not going to get better. Leadership must be shown.
Fire DD.
What is sad is the number of die hard fans who continue to support DD and want to pretend that this season is just an anomaly and all will be better next year. This is what happens when you hire a favorite son of Marshall and the program begins to slide. Remember White and the aftermath?
Talent coupled with desire wins. We have a shortage of both.
DD has been an unbelievably lazy recruiter since day one. He has shown no desire to work the recruiting trail. If won’t ever get better unless he licks in to something (like a legacy he rejected).
DD has been an unbelievably lazy recruiter since day one. He has shown no desire to work the recruiting trail. If won’t ever get better unless he licks in to something (like a legacy he rejected).
I think our lack of defense is a bigger problem than the ineffective offense we are seeing. With the lack of foot speed/quickness on the team, Dan should go to a zone defense completely. We would get more rebounds, and we would stop the easy buckets the opposition score by quick moves into the paint. He needs to adjust to the talent level on the team and not force them to play a defense they don't have the skills to play.
Yes it blows my mind to see all the "I trust Danny to get us back on track" posts on various forums and social media platforms. What do you mean on track? First off you get the impression a lot of these fans do not believe it's Dan's fault we're where we are currently.
Still let's look at what "on track" with Danny really is.
Dan's record going into this season was 128-99(.564) overall and 71-51(.582) in conference. His average finish in CUSA 6th (t11, t3, 6, 4, 6, 6, 5).
Prior to this season Dan's worst season was his first season (2014-15) where he went 11-21(7-11) and tied for 11th place and his best season was 2017-18 where we went 25-11 (12-6) finished 4th in the regular season and won the conference. If you take out his worst season and his best season you are left with the following.
92-78 (.575) Overall
52-34 (.605) in conference
Average Finish: 5th
So Dan's "on track" is just average basketball. Even without removing seasons we've never been in contention for the best record in CUSA and our OoC resume is usually garbage. Dude schedule two NAIA schools this year. Get out of here with that mess.
The only reason anyone has any faith in Dan is because he's Dan D'Antoni. If this were any other coach with no ties to Marshall he'd probably have already been fired. He's been here 8 seasons. This is where we are after 8 years? 8-15 (1-9) in conference? We are next to last in conference. Next to last! With an alleged 1st rounder on our roster. How does that happen?
I mean we're looking at the worst season since Dan has taken over and one of the worst seasons in program history. And this is in a season when we played TWO NAIA TEAMS. So 2 of our 8 wins are complete garbage.
So why are we talking about giving Dan another season? Getting "back on track" just means playing average basketball and finishing in the middle of the conference hoping to make a conference tournament run.
It's time to move on. However it won't happen. Dan's last name makes him teflon so he won't leave until he wants to leave and he's already discussing his plans for the off season to address the needs for next season.
Correct.
We have all seen this movie before. This is a remake. The original stared Greg White as the unqualified MU alumni from the coalfields coach. As with most remakes, minor plot changes. In the original, the coach was a failed small college coach with nothing on his resume to recommend him; while in the remake the coach is a retired HS coach/phys ed teacher. In the original, the coach had a rich doctor wife; in the remake, the coach’s entire family is somehow on the Board of Governors or employed by the state education bureaucracy. But the essential plot elements, including the pie eyed locals who ignore the facts and the numbers in this cultic belief that somehow, some alumni is going to return and lead the team to some supposed past glory. And the abject failure that such thinking causes.
My guess is that, in 15 or 20 years, people will have forgotten enough to allow for another remake. I will probably be gone by then. Hopefully, between now and then we can bring in a qualified coach with an actual resume and actual ability.
Difference between White and Dan was recruiting! Greg tried to recruit a higher level of player than does Dan. Tamar Slay and J.R. Vanhoose could have gone to much higher profile schools but chose MU. Greg just couldn't get over the hump with those guys maybe just coaching. Danny just doesn't try to recruit, just takes the projects and the leftovers.
The Coach turns 75 this summer. I have to believe he only plans to coach another 10 years.
We have discussed DD's tenure at length over the past two months, and there are a number of reasons why this team is where it is... But one thing that is glaring to me in regards to recruiting is how poorly built this team is for the system DD wants to play.
You want to run and gun, play 7 seconds or less offense, etc... What do you need?... A quick point guard that moves the ball and values possessions. A couple of knock down 3-point shooters. Mobile bigs that can really run the floor.
When we had Elmore, West, Williams, Panava, etc we had the elements needed to play DD's brand of basketball... Now we have none of that. Taylor turns it over a ton, there is no pure 3-point shooter, Miladinavic is a statue on both ends, and OAK runs the floor but isn't skilled enough offensively (yet) to scare teams.
You want to run and gun, play 7 seconds or less offense, etc... What do you need?... A quick point guard that moves the ball and values possessions. A couple of knock down 3-point shooters. Mobile bigs that can really run the floor.
When we had Elmore, West, Williams, Panava, etc we had the elements needed to play DD's brand of basketball... Now we have none of that. Taylor turns it over a ton, there is no pure 3-point shooter, Miladinavic is a statue on both ends, and OAK runs the floor but isn't skilled enough offensively (yet) to scare teams.
No doubt, 33. With such an average, even mundane, record in year 8, Tom Herrion would have been "outta here"; same with Ron Jirsa; Ditto for Donnie Jones; Bob Daniels and Bob Zuffelato, you betcha! Dwight Freeman, natch! Fellow Mullens-ite and MU Alum, Greg White, yes sir!
Even if they would have coached a similar amount of time at Marshall and had produced comparable records, I doubt that coaches like Billy Donovan, Dana Altman, and even Rick Huckaby, would have survived, and instead, been "shown the door" by Marshall after 8 seasons!
What entitles Danny D'Antoni to an entirely different standard?
The DD sycophancy has several origins:
- People want to believe that somebody with a MU connection is going to “come home” and return the team to its past glory (which never really existed, BTW). Thus DD, and before him GW. Men who were totally unqualified and would have never been hired by any other DI program in the country.
- People want to believe in the things DD believes. That its still 1965 and the coalfields are booming and teeming with population, which all you need to do is recruit that monster area and you can beat anybody.
- DD has a nice personality. He is a nice guy. He has this aw shucks cornpone hillbilly way that many of our fans identify with.
- DD is a great self-promoter. There are people that think he has a “system”.
- Doc hate. Many of the Doc haters used DD sycophancy as a part of their weird ideas about Doc, no matter the relative weakness of CUSA basketball vis football.
- Insular narrow minded fanboy-ism. People are still flipping out about one NCAA appearance and winning one game. Something 100s of teams have done, and any school you would consider our peer has done multiple times. This is small minded and narrow thinking.
With Doc gone, the one and only tournament appearance fading into history, and the act wearing thin, change will come soon.
Fire DD.
Sam
Doc is gone. Charles Huff is the coach
Doc is gone. Charles Huff is the coach
The thing that danny has is that his sister sits on the BOG and that makes him immune to anything and everything
Yes because that's how Boards work....one person decides it all. Come on.
Although Greg White was a very good recruiter, he just got outcoached on the court.
Fire Bill Legg!
Fire Bill Legg!
D'Antoni's relative would recuse herself from any discussion related Coach D'Antoni's future.
I originally started this thread to be about basketball. I have no idea how Sam misdirected it to be about Doc.
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