G5 v G5 records in bowl games. Discuss....
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Interesting stats but they're probably skewed a little.
The AAC's top three teams (USF, UCF and Memphis) all play P5s in bowls this year. Plus Navy plays UVA.
Three of the AAC's top four in 2016 and 2015 played P5s as well.
In 2014 UC played VA Tech; UCF played NCSU and ECU played Florida.
Something tells me if those teams had played G5s they would have won most of those games.
Still a nice stat for C-USA, though.
The AAC's top three teams (USF, UCF and Memphis) all play P5s in bowls this year. Plus Navy plays UVA.
Three of the AAC's top four in 2016 and 2015 played P5s as well.
In 2014 UC played VA Tech; UCF played NCSU and ECU played Florida.
Something tells me if those teams had played G5s they would have won most of those games.
Still a nice stat for C-USA, though.
Bowl games stats are hard to judge now. Chris mentions the match ups above and over half the teams in FBS are going to bowls now. The bowls are much more watered down.
That was my thinking, the match ups are the key. I would say the AAC and MWC have had the tougher match ups over the years due to bowl tie ins, BCS, Access, etc.
It’s simple math:
Our number 1-4 are better than they’re 5-10’s.
Our number 1-4 are better than they’re 5-10’s.
Bowl wins grow your win record, championships grow your program.
Think something is not being said here, he states its a G5vsG5 record, in that case it does mean something. He isn't talking about all bowls.
Understood.
My point was/is that usually the AAC's top teams are playing P5s.
If they were playing other G5s, like the top teams from the Sun Belt and CUSA do, they'd have more G5 wins.
True, but on the other hand, the teams that WKU dismantled last year and the year before (USF and Memphis) were near the top of their conference. Temple was ranked and got schooled by Toledo. Navy was ranked last year and got beat by LT. See my point. The differential would improve for them, but not as much as some think it would if they weren't playing a few p5's.
It proves 1 thing, the AAC is top heavy but the majority of the conference cant compete against the best of the G5
Dont forget Houston getting boat-raced by San Diego State last year
I would also contend that if they (the top 2 or so AAC teams) were matched against conference champs from CUSA, MW, MAC, a win will not be a given and a loss is just as possible. UCF this year may be a different story, but other years this applies.
Memphis was at-best the 5th best team from the AAC last year.
USF was at-best the 4th best team in the AAC in 2015.
You're right, Temple was ranked when they lost to Toledo. But they were still the third best team in the AAC.
Same thing with Navy last year. Third best team in the conference.
Perhaps, but now you're interjecting opinion into the argument. What I explained were simple facts. The AAC's top teams, year in and year out, don't play other G5s in bowl games.
I think it clearly shows that C-USA is able to compete year after year with the better G5 schools. Many years our OOC record is not great due to playing so many top P5 schools. We are not behind our G5 peers as a conference for the most part.
I won't argue that, I was just making a point that their top school(s) don't play other G5 champs, so we are basically pissing in the wind on what the G5 bowl win record may or may not be. Navy wasn't 1 or 2 in the standings, but was right there with them, winners of their division, so lets say they were 3rd best.....LT winners of the west division with a worse record than Navy. Temple was 10-3, divisional winner in the east, Lost to Toledo. South Florida in 2015 was 6-2 in the American, Western beat them the same as Navy or Memphis did . Memphis last year, just a tad worse than USF in 15, with WKU beating them as bad as they had been beaten by other good programs. A few of these examples, like Navy and Temple ring loud enough..............just saying..until their champ meets ours or others, we will never know.
Right.
Which is why crowing (not that you are) about McMurphy's tweet is short-sighted.
Plus, we dismantled the top MAC school in 2014 and would have done the same against the top AAC school that year as well.
I won't continue to take the time to prove what I have with facts, but C-USA is below the MWC and AAC both on and off of the field . . . and it is a pretty big gap.
That doesn't mean C-USA can't compete with its peer; it can. Its peers also include the Sun Belt and MAC. C-USA isn't at the bottom, but it is also far from the top of G5.
That doesn't mean C-USA can't compete with its peer; it can. Its peers also include the Sun Belt and MAC. C-USA isn't at the bottom, but it is also far from the top of G5.
Let me add some deadens streets here, If you see a defense with dirt and mud on there backs you know they have had a bad day. You have to move the ball to move the chains then you can score, but I wouldn’t do anything to a receiver to catch the ball if my quarterback couldn’t throw it.
My god my head spun trying to keep up with everyone angles about how we are so close to being just as good as the top AAC team who get to play G5 teams in bowls and soon so very soon someone will notice us and give us our chance...
It’s simple win every game and you get notice...
Win every game to put fans in the seats...
Win every game to move the program to a better conference..
Win every game and no one will have a bitch..
My god my head spun trying to keep up with everyone angles about how we are so close to being just as good as the top AAC team who get to play G5 teams in bowls and soon so very soon someone will notice us and give us our chance...
It’s simple win every game and you get notice...
Win every game to put fans in the seats...
Win every game to move the program to a better conference..
Win every game and no one will have a bitch..
What?
Take away the top three teams from many conferences and what is left doesn't really put fear in people.
Take three out of C-USA: FAU, North Texas, Marshall/Southern Miss/FIU? None of those last three strike fear and that leaves C-USA with two at most.
MAC: Toledo, maybe Ohio, then who? Nobody else strikes fear.
AAC: UCF, USF, Memphis. Then who? Houston, Navy?
Sun Belt: Troy and possibly App. State? Then who?
Hell, take three out of the ACC this year (Clemson, Va Tech, Miami) and who strikes fear? NC State? Boston College?
Air Force lost their entire team from last year, but were 10-3, 8-5, and 10-3 over the last three years. Outside of the P5s (and not even all of them), if you take away the top three teams, you don't have a murderer's row waiting.
Marshall just toyed with the 4th best team in MW. There is a big talent gap in the MW Between Boise/Fresno/SDSU and the rest of the conference.
There isn't the same talent gap in CUSA. Anyone can get beat any weekend in CUSA. Plenty of talented teams in CUSA. The MW is not as good top to bottom as CUSA.
There isn't the same talent gap in CUSA. Anyone can get beat any weekend in CUSA. Plenty of talented teams in CUSA. The MW is not as good top to bottom as CUSA.
“Toyed” with them? Do you realize how stupid you sound after just your first sentence? A team isn’t toying with anyone when they win by only three and the opponent has the ball at midfield on its way to winning the game with less than two minutes to play.
CSU wasn’t the 4th best team in the MWC. They finished 5th.
Want to see how the 4th best C-USA team did? They lost by 20 points to a 0-8 MAC team. Let me say that again: UAB, C-USA’s 4th best team, lost by 20 points to a winless MAC team.
I guess that means the MAC is far better than C-USA. See how dumb you sound after just your first statement?
You realize why that is, right? It’s because besides FAU, there isn’t a C-USA team that would finish in the top three in the MWC. C-USA doesn’t have a good team outside of FAU. The MWC has at least three good teams.
If you don’t have any (or many) good teams, it means you have a bunch of average to bad teams which isn’t a good indication for a conference.
Pretend the two conferences were one. The three worst teams in this combined conference would be UTEP, Charlotte, and Rice. All three of those teams are C-USA teams. At least three out of the top four teams in this conference would be MWC teams.
So, the MWC has more great teams and C-USA has the worst of the bad teams (by a wide margin).
Knowing this, claiming that the MWC isn’t as good from top to bottom is as dumb as taking shirtless mirror selfies in a public gym.
Coaching is just a much a part of a team as the players. If a staff "plays nice" and allows a team to be 50 yards away from winning with two minutes left in the game, that isn't "toying" with anyone.
To show how foolish you are once again: Marshall was 6th out of 14 teams. Colorado State was 5th out of 12 teams. They basically were in the same percentile in their respective conferences. You're attempting to base two conferences on one game (stupid) that had a three point margin (stupid) while ignoring the fact that a 0-8 Ball State demolished the 4th place C-USA team. Can you not see how absurdly stupid your arguments are?
You must look at the entire conference, all season (not just bowl games), and evaluate them that way. In doing so, you will see that the MWC was far superior to C-USA this year, and it wasn't even close. Hell, the Missouri Valley was far superior to C-USA this year. C-USA was closer to the Colonial than the MWC this season.
You can use whatever word you want. The fact is that of the four best teams between the two conferences, three of them were MWC teams. Of the three worst teams between the two conferences, all three were C-USA teams. So, if a conference has far better/more teams at the top and far better teams at the bottom, how is it not as strong top to bottom as the other conference? Doh!
I am not sure if you don't understand the term "top to bottom" or if your bias is so strong that you continue to showcase your foolishness.
