General Mattis resigns

[Chevy1]

Trump's best, strongest cabinet member resigned.

It's time republicans begin to see this damned thing for what it is - a shit show. You can be strong, tough and demanding without non-stop lies ....without flip-flopping....without twitter fights with porn stars....without colluding with the Russians and kissing Putin's ass.

This shouldn't be about "right" or "left" - this is about right and wrong. Lies, deceit and treasonous acts should not be tolerated by the citizenry.

Part of the Mattis resignation letter:
I believe we must be resolute and unambiguous in our approach to those countries whose strategic interests are increasingly in tension with ours. It is clear that China and Russia, for example, want to shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model - gaining veto authority over other nations' economic, diplomatic, and security decisions - to promote their own interests at the expense of their neighbors, America and our allies. This is why we must use all the tools of American power to provide for the common defense.

My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

You left out the prior paragraph and part of the quitting paragraph, which are explicit "Fvck You"s to Trump. He even accuses Trump of neglecting Constitutional duty...yikes.

One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world. Instead, we must use all tools of American power to provide for the common defense, including providing effective leadership to our alliances. NATO's 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9-11 attack on America. The Defeat-ISIS coalition of 74 nations is further proof....

Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position.....

 

[Chevy1]

You left out the prior paragraph and part of the quitting paragraph, which are explicit "Fvck You"s to Trump. He even accuses Trump of neglecting Constitutional duty...yikes.

One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world. Instead, we must use all tools of American power to provide for the common defense, including providing effective leadership to our alliances. NATO's 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9-11 attack on America. The Defeat-ISIS coalition of 74 nations is further proof....

Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position.....

Good catch.

It's beyond disturbing that Trump defers to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter in lieu of the sage advise of a great general and true patriot. Hell, he even sent Rush a message stating his intentions with the government while Rush was on the air. What kind of "governing" is this BS.

 

[ohio herd]

wow that is not good, Mattis is a tough old fart.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

At some point, I know that I become the fool for expecting even the biggest, dumbest deplorable to finally say "enough is enough." But nope. I'll continue to be the fool and think you morons will finally admit that cheeto is a shitshow, his administration (each of the 14 versions of it) is a clusterfvck, and the fact that everyone leaves after just a short time with him is as bad of a sign as can be shown.

 

[i am herdman]

You all do realize that Sec of Defense come and go. Obama had 4 Sec of Defense

While I am definitely a Mattis fan and he was a strong supporter of the armed forces and its members, if they disagree and he felt it was time to move on then, that is what should happen.

 

[Chevy1]

Trump Cabinet Turnover Sets Record Going Back 100 Years

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

You all do realize that Sec of Defense come and go. Obama had 4 Sec of Defense

Yes, one of which he inherited from the previous administration. So, 3.5 in 8 years. cheeto is going to be on #2 in less than 2 years. Doh!

 

[SamSwimmer]

If Trump insults Mattis, as he's wont to do with former employees, he'll genuinely alienate a large portion of his diehards.

 

[i am herdman]

Yes, one of which he inherited from the previous administration. So, 3.5 in 8 years. cheeto is going to be on #2 in less than 2 years. Doh!

He still had 4 and he chose to keep the carryover from the previous admin. You don't have to keep them.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

Gary Bussey is on deck. Rupaul is in the hole.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

He still had 4 and he chose to keep the carryover from the previous admin. You don't have to keep them.

And cheeto is on pace to more than double that number even with your excuses.

 

[i am herdman]

And cheeto is on pace to more than double that number even with your excuses.

He has had one halfway through his term.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

He has had one halfway through his term.

Let me help you with the math:

Obama: 3.5 in 8 years
cheeto: about to be 2 in less than 2 years

Let me know if you need help with the multiplication.

 

[i am herdman]

Let me help you with the math:

Obama: 3.5 in 8 years
cheeto: about to be 2 in less than 2 years

Let me know if you need help with the multiplication.

How do you count Obama for having 3.5? And Mattis is leaving in Feb 2019. Two years after Trump took over.

And, for the record, I really like Mattis. He has done a great job in rebuilding the military that needed it.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

How do you count Obama for having 3.5? And Mattis is leaving in Feb 2019. Two years after Trump took over.

And, for the record, I really like Mattis. He has done a great job in rebuilding the military that needed it.

Because he inherited one. That's not a real appointment by Obama. Hell, count him as a whole and cheeto is still on pace to double Obama's number.

No matter how you look at it, you're smoked.

 

[i am herdman]

Because he inherited one. That's not a real appointment by Obama. Hell, count him as a whole and cheeto is still on pace to double Obama's number.

No matter how you look at it, you're smoked.

But, it still counts as his Sec of Def as he chose to keep him. C'mon

 

[dherd]

You left out the prior paragraph and part of the quitting paragraph, which are explicit "Fvck You"s to Trump. He even accuses Trump of neglecting Constitutional duty...yikes.

One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world. Instead, we must use all tools of American power to provide for the common defense, including providing effective leadership to our alliances. NATO's 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9-11 attack on America. The Defeat-ISIS coalition of 74 nations is further proof....

Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position.....

GUILTY AS CHARGED

 

[herdfan429]

Because he inherited one. That's not a real appointment by Obama. Hell, count him as a whole and cheeto is still on pace to double Obama's number.

No matter how you look at it, you're smoked.

If it’s not a real appointment by Obama then his years of service shouldn’t count either. He left in 2011 which means Obama had 3 sec of defense in 5 years which is more turnover than trump

 

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

If it’s not a real appointment by Obama then his years of service shouldn’t count either. He left in 2011 which means Obama had 3 sec of defense in 5 years which is more turnover than trump

You should check the warning label on the oil you use for those 10 year old body rubs. It doesn’t appear safe to be inhaling.

If a new head coach is told that he must retain the offensive coordinator, does that mean the HC didn’t have an offensive coordinator? Of course not. It just means he didn’t get to pick his own coach.

If a new HC who was hired three weeks ago is told that he must honor all of the scholarship offers/commitments the previous staff gave out, does that mean the team didn’t give out any scholarships for that entire class and didn’t sign anyone? Of course not. It just means that staff can’t be faulted for that bad recruiting class.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

This is the first time in history a secretary of defense has resigned in protest.

 

[herdfan429]

You should check the warning label on the oil you use for those 10 year old body rubs. It doesn’t appear safe to be inhaling.

If a new head coach is told that he must retain the offensive coordinator, does that mean the HC didn’t have an offensive coordinator? Of course not. It just means he didn’t get to pick his own coach.

If a new HC who was hired three weeks ago is told that he must honor all of the scholarship offers/commitments the previous staff gave out, does that mean the team didn’t give out any scholarships for that entire class and didn’t sign anyone? Of course not. It just means that staff can’t be faulted for that bad recruiting class.

Then he counts as a full sec if defense and that would mean your entire argument is false because Obama had 4 sec def in 8 years meaning each one served 2 years on average. Now tell me again how long Mattis was his sec def

 

[Chevy1]

This is the first time in history a secretary of defense has resigned in protest.

Pretty incredible how many of Trump's staff have left - many getting caught in ethics violations. Still there were other, strong members of the staff that left.

On the bright side, Ivanka, Jared and Stephen Miller will still be around.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Then he counts as a full sec if defense and that would mean your entire argument is false because Obama had 4 sec def in 8 years meaning each one served 2 years on average. Now tell me again how long Mattis was his sec def

You've gone back to trying to argue the original point - he was inherited, not his own original hire.

But as I told Herdman, go ahead and count him as a full hire. That means 4 in 8 years, an average of 2 years. Mattis has already announced his resignation before two years and is simply waiting out his tenure until February to help give time for a new hire.

 

[herdfan429]

You've gone back to trying to argue the original point - he was inherited, not his own original hire.

But as I told Herdman, go ahead and count him as a full hire. That means 4 in 8 years, an average of 2 years. Mattis has already announced his resignation before two years and is simply waiting out his tenure until February to help give time for a new hire.

He’s leaving in February 2019. He was confirmed on Jan 20 2017. That is 2 years. The same average as Obama’s appointees not the ones he “inherited.”
You still haven’t explained how a president inherits a cabinet secretary. Obama chose to keep Bush sec of defense. He didn’t inherit anything. It was Obama who decided who to hire, keep on or replace.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

He’s leaving in February 2019. He was confirmed on Jan 20 2017. That is 2 years. The same average as Obama’s appointees not the ones he “inherited.”
You still haven’t explained how a president inherits a cabinet secretary. Obama chose to keep Bush sec of defense. He didn’t inherit anything. It was Obama who decided who to hire, keep on or replace.

He's leaving in February simply to do the country a favor and allow time for another hire. He announced his resignation before that time due to cheeto's actions and ineptness at leading.

How does a president inherit a cabinet secretary? Do you know what "inherit" means? The person was already in that position, hence it was inherited.

 

[herdfan429]

He's leaving in February simply to do the country a favor and allow time for another hire. He announced his resignation before that time due to cheeto's actions and ineptness at leading.

How does a president inherit a cabinet secretary? Do you know what "inherit" means? The person was already in that position, hence it was inherited.

He had no obligation to keep him in that position. Obama chose to keep him on. No one told him he HAD to.
Most people have to give 2-4weeks notice when they are leaving a job. That doesn’t mean they stop working when they send their letter. The final date of employment will be February 2019 not December 2018.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

He had no obligation to keep him in that position. Obama chose to keep him on. No one told him he HAD to.
.

It is still considered inherited. Again, you don't seem too familiar with that word.

Most people have to give 2-4weeks notice when they are leaving a job. That doesn’t mean they stop working when they send their letter. The final date of employment will be February 2019 not December 2018.

Hence the point of me saying that Mattis is doing the country (and cheeto) a favor by not having an empty seat. He could have resigned and walked out the door with no notice. That doesn't change the fact that cheeto is losing a secretary of defense in a shorter window than Obama did.

 

[i am herdman]

He's leaving in February simply to do the country a favor and allow time for another hire. He announced his resignation before that time due to cheeto's actions and ineptness at leading.

How does a president inherit a cabinet secretary? Do you know what "inherit" means? The person was already in that position, hence it was inherited.

So, Obama's gave notices as well. Count that in. I am not going to go waste time and look that info up.

Sec of Defense don't carry over automatically to new administrations. So, Obama appointed him and he was confirmed by the Senate. Hence, he was Obama's at that point because Obama could have replaced him.

It is not inherited. Obama chose him/chose to keep him. Inherited is something or someone you don't have a choice in the matter. Jesus CHrist.

 

[herdfan429]

It is still considered inherited. Again, you don't seem too familiar with that word.



Hence the point of me saying that Mattis is doing the country (and cheeto) a favor by not having an empty seat. He could have resigned and walked out the door with no notice. That doesn't change the fact that cheeto is losing a secretary of defense in a shorter window than Obama did.

Except he’s not. Obama had 4 over his 8 years. That comes to two years of service per sec. trumps first sec of defense is leaving after two years of service. You can try to play your semantic games all you want but the numbers don’t lie. If trump has more than 2 by the time his first term is up then you would have a point.

 

[extragreen]

If trump has more than 2 by the time his first term is up then you would have a point.

I don't think cheetos will be around to finish a term. I've said it before.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

So, Obama's gave notices as well. Count that in. I am not going to go waste time and look that info up.

Sec of Defense don't carry over automatically to new administrations. So, Obama appointed him and he was confirmed by the Senate. Hence, he was Obama's at that point because Obama could have replaced him.

It is not inherited. Obama chose him/chose to keep him. Inherited is something or someone you don't have a choice in the matter. Jesus CHrist.

Obama inherited Gates in order to keep his campaign promise that he'd have a Republican in his cabinet. What makes you think he had to be confirmed by the Senate all over again?

It IS inherited. People use "inherit" to refer to things that carried over from something previously. If a head coach inherits a defense coordinator from the previous staff, it doesn't mean the head coach didn't have a say in the matter.

Except he’s not. Obama had 4 over his 8 years. That comes to two years of service per sec. trumps first sec of defense is leaving after two years of service. You can try to play your semantic games all you want but the numbers don’t lie. If trump has more than 2 by the time his first term is up then you would have a point.

Obama had 4 simply due to inheriting the current Secretary of Defense in order to show goodwill to Republicans. Further, his "4 over his 8 years" was only 8 years because of time restrictions. He very easily could have had 4 over 10 years and had the last one stay on longer than the average of 4 years if he didn't have a term limit which impacted the average of 2 years per secretary.

On the other hand, cheeto already has lost 1 within 2 years, shorter than Obama's average, which has nothing to do with term limits.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Apparently Mattis told Trump he was fvcking the Kurds and Israel, Trump didn't care, and Mattis quit.

Conservative and liberal Israeli press are slamming Trump today.

Republicans in Congress are mad as hell.

This ain't good for Trump and will cost him with his base.

 

[i am herdman]

Obama inherited Gates in order to keep his campaign promise that he'd have a Republican in his cabinet. What makes you think he had to be confirmed by the Senate all over again?

It IS inherited. People use "inherit" to refer to things that carried over from something previously. If a head coach inherits a defense coordinator from the previous staff, it doesn't mean the head coach didn't have a say in the matter.



Obama had 4 simply due to inheriting the current Secretary of Defense in order to show goodwill to Republicans. Further, his "4 over his 8 years" was only 8 years because of time restrictions. He very easily could have had 4 over 10 years and had the last one stay on longer than the average of 4 years if he didn't have a term limit which impacted the average of 2 years per secretary.

On the other hand, cheeto already has lost 1 within 2 years, shorter than Obama's average, which has nothing to do with term limits.

Because Obama had to go to the Senate at least behind the scenes to work the deal as the Senate has to confirm Sec of Def.

 

[i am herdman]

Apparently Mattis told Trump he was fvcking the Kurds and Israel, Trump didn't care, and Mattis quit.

Conservative and liberal Israeli press are slamming Trump today.

Republicans in Congress are mad as hell.

This ain't good for Trump and will cost him with is base.

I agree. Mattis did a great job and is wildly popular among base and the DOD, troops, etc. He is a good Sec of Defense.

Something is very odd here, the sudden Syria thing because I kind of maybe heard troops were going to Syria and then this all the sudden.

 

[herdfan429]

Obama inherited Gates in order to keep his campaign promise that he'd have a Republican in his cabinet. What makes you think he had to be confirmed by the Senate all over again?

It IS inherited. People use "inherit" to refer to things that carried over from something previously. If a head coach inherits a defense coordinator from the previous staff, it doesn't mean the head coach didn't have a say in the matter.



Obama had 4 simply due to inheriting the current Secretary of Defense in order to show goodwill to Republicans. Further, his "4 over his 8 years" was only 8 years because of time restrictions. He very easily could have had 4 over 10 years and had the last one stay on longer than the average of 4 years if he didn't have a term limit which impacted the average of 2 years per secretary.

On the other hand, cheeto already has lost 1 within 2 years, shorter than Obama's average, which has nothing to do with term limits.

Obama had 4 over 8 years which comes out to a new one every 2.
Trump has had 1 over two years and is getting another one if he lasts two years he will have had 2 over 4 years which comes out to a new one every two. No matter how much word salad you try to spin you can’t argue the numbers.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Obama had 4 over 8 years which comes out to a new one every 2.
Trump has had 1 over two years and is getting another one if he lasts two years he will have had 2 over 4 years which comes out to a new one every two. No matter how much word salad you try to spin you can’t argue the numbers.

I've already shown numerous ways how you're wrong . . . and that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. Hell, the inherited secretary had already been in that position for 4 years. Did you expect him to stay for decades? As I said, Obama's last secretary's tenure was only cut short due to Obama's term limit. cheeto hasn't hit that yet. It's an unfair comparison for both of those reasons . . . AND that doesn't even include that Mattis has announced his resignation before two years which you claim was Obama's average.

 

[Marine03]

Herdman give it up, Trump is horrible and most everyone who went to work for him knows it. Anyone with a military background can see what Mattis left for, you should know better. Trump is a farce and it’s time some of you who supported him own up to it.

 

[SamSwimmer]

Herdman give it up, Trump is horrible and most everyone who went to work for him knows it. Anyone with a military background can see what Mattis left for, you should know better. Trump is a farce and it’s time some of you who supported him own up to it.

Wait, wait, wait. You're not a Trump fan?! When did this start?

 

[i am herdman]

Herdman give it up, Trump is horrible and most everyone who went to work for him knows it. Anyone with a military background can see what Mattis left for, you should know better. Trump is a farce and it’s time some of you who supported him own up to it.

I am arguing with Yagi over whether or not to count Obams firs Sec of Defense. Different argument.

I have stated I don't know how many times that I don't like losing Mattis as Sec of Defense. How can I make that anymore clear to you all.