GK Do you Teach History?

[i am herdman]

show you young brains of mush opening scenes from Saving Private Ryan. Then, you can stop it after the beach landings and the beach is cleared. That is a good history lesson for them. Should take about 25 mins or so. They will remember that and they aren't being taught that kind of thing anywhere else.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

Then have them read the Gulag Archipelago and a Steven Pinker essay and then they’ll understand there is no better time than now to be alive...in spite of what Twitter or any other politician may tell you.

Yes, there are challenges...but not Normandy or Communism challenges in the Western world.

 

[GK4Herd]

show you young brains of mush opening scenes from Saving Private Ryan. Then, you can stop it after the beach landings and the beach is cleared. That is a good history lesson for them. Should take about 25 mins or so. They will remember that and they aren't being taught that kind of thing anywhere else.

I teach social studies and language art (reading, spelling, grammar, writing). I’d think that scene might be a little intense for fourth graders. I don’t shy away from presenting my students a realistic view of history though.

For example when we covered the Aztec Empire and Cortez’s conquering of Montezuma, the text says the following...”After Montezuma died...”. Are you kidding? After Montezuma died...that’s it. The story behind Montezuma and Cortez is amazing. One sentence coverage denies the kids a story that might develop a love for history in them. Here’s the quick version of what I spend a week on from that single sentence...

There’s alliances formed with hundreds of thousands natives by Cortez. They march into Tenochtitlan under the Aztec belief that one of their Gods (Quetzalcoatl) was returning to fulfill a prophecy. They strip the city of its gold, capture Montezuma and use him as a puppet leader. The Aztecs, after watching a religious ceremony in the court of their temple believed that the Aztecs were readying to go to war against them and slaughtered the natives performing their ritual dances. The Aztecs rebel and kill Montezuma with a barrage of rocks, arrows, and spears as he stood on the wall surrounding the palace the Spanish were holed up in as he tried to quell the rebellion.

The Conquistadors try to sneak out in the middle of the night crossing the causeway ( tenochtitlan was built on an island in a lake) carrying all the gold they stripped from the temples and city. They were attacked by the Aztec and are forced to dump the gold in Lake Texcoco to save themselves. They travel hundreds of miles away and build a bunch of large ships, disassembles them and thousands of allied natives carry them across Mexico to the shore of Lake Texcoco where they reassemble the boats, dig canals, and sail into the lake cutting off the water and food supply to the city. With a combination of smallpox spreading through the city of over 100,000 people and the supply line cut off, the Spanish eventually retake Tenochtitlan and conquer the Aztecs. That’s why they speak Spanish in Mexico today. Lol

I mean...this is a fascinating story and they cover the whole thing in a single sentence or two. And don’t get me started on Atahaulpa and how the Incas were conquered by Pizarro. My kids get the whole story, garrote and all. They are fascinated by these stories. Yet the depth is given up in order to sanitize it and cover a length of history that is too long to do justice in a single year.



The curriculum I cover spans from early migration to America, pre-Columbian America, and post Columbian America through the American Revolution. The texts are so thinly sliced that that I’ve had to add a lot of enrichment in order to give the kids the depth needed to get excited about it.

 

[GK4Herd]

Here’s a quick read on Cortez’s conquering of the Aztecs. It’s really an amazing story...

https://www.lifeofadventure.com/montezumas-gold/


There’s even been recent dredging of Lake Texcoco looking for the treasure. The wildest story is that it was moved to Utah...


https://www.abc4.com/news/local-uta...-is-there-cursed-aztec-gold-in-utah/204135400


I’ll be in Utah this summer so I’ll give it a look see. If successful I’ll be as independently wealthy as rifle. No more Spirit Airline for me. From then on, nothing but Southwest.

 

[herdfan429]

I heard his revenge is no joke

 

[GK4Herd]

I heard his revenge is no joke

Yep...don’t drink the water.

 

[i am herdman]

I teach social studies and language art (reading, spelling, grammar, writing). I’d think that scene might be a little intense for fourth graders. I don’t shy away from presenting my students a realistic view of history though.

For example when we covered the Aztec Empire and Cortez’s conquering of Montezuma, the text says the following...”After Montezuma died...”. Are you kidding? After Montezuma died...that’s it. The story behind Montezuma and Cortez is amazing. One sentence coverage denies the kids a story that might develop a love for history in them. Here’s the quick version of what I spend a week on from that single sentence...

There’s alliances formed with hundreds of thousands natives by Cortez. They march into Tenochtitlan under the Aztec belief that one of their Gods (Quetzalcoatl) was returning to fulfill a prophecy. They strip the city of its gold, capture Montezuma and use him as a puppet leader. The Aztecs, after watching a religious ceremony in the court of their temple believed that the Aztecs were readying to go to war against them and slaughtered the natives performing their ritual dances. The Aztecs rebel and kill Montezuma with a barrage of rocks, arrows, and spears as he stood on the wall surrounding the palace the Spanish were holed up in as he tried to quell the rebellion.

The Conquistadors try to sneak out in the middle of the night crossing the causeway ( tenochtitlan was built on an island in a lake) carrying all the gold they stripped from the temples and city. They were attacked by the Aztec and are forced to dump the gold in Lake Texcoco to save themselves. They travel hundreds of miles away and build a bunch of large ships, disassembles them and thousands of allied natives carry them across Mexico to the shore of Lake Texcoco where they reassemble the boats, dig canals, and sail into the lake cutting off the water and food supply to the city. With a combination of smallpox spreading through the city of over 100,000 people and the supply line cut off, the Spanish eventually retake Tenochtitlan and conquer the Aztecs. That’s why they speak Spanish in Mexico today. Lol

I mean...this is a fascinating story and they cover the whole thing in a single sentence or two. And don’t get me started on Atahaulpa and how the Incas were conquered by Pizarro. My kids get the whole story, garrote and all. They are fascinated by these stories. Yet the depth is given up in order to sanitize it and cover a length of history that is too long to do justice in a single year.



The curriculum I cover spans from early migration to America, pre-Columbian America, and post Columbian America through the American Revolution. The texts are so thinly sliced that that I’ve had to add a lot of enrichment in order to give the kids the depth needed to get excited about it.

Very cool, GK. I bet you make it interesting as well. I know we have had a few jabs at each other over education, but I know you are a good teacher. Honestly, I think the vast majority of people in teaching want to do a good job.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

From then on, nothing but Southwest.

But you'll end up blaming them for only giving you two free checked bags when you actually brought four.

I flew Southwest a few days ago. They're good, but I don't understand why they have a cult following. I have their companion pass, which means anyone can fly with me unlimited for free whenever I fly with no blackout dates, and I've used it a total of zero times.

I flew Frontier last week. They are supposed to charge for choosing your seat. When I got to the airport, they had me in a middle seat. The girl at the counter switched me to a row with nobody in it for free on both legs. I'll have to fly Spirit again soon so that I can tell GK how easy they are to fly.

 

[i am herdman]

But you'll end up blaming them for only giving you two free checked bags when you actually brought four.

I flew Southwest a few days ago. They're good, but I don't understand why they have a cult following. I have their companion pass, which means anyone can fly with me unlimited for free whenever I fly with no blackout dates, and I've used it a total of zero times.

I flew Frontier last week. They are supposed to charge for choosing your seat. When I got to the airport, they had me in a middle seat. The girl at the counter switched me to a row with nobody in it for free on both legs. I'll have to fly Spirit again soon so that I can tell GK how easy they are to fly.

You really put that much effort into flying and buying a plane ticket?

 

[Bankerreturns]

Then have them read the Gulag Archipelago and a Steven Pinker essay and then they’ll understand there is no better time than now to be alive...in spite of what Twitter or any other politician may tell you.

Yes, there are challenges...but not Normandy or Communism challenges in the Western world.

On that note, I was in Savannah today walking through a cemetery. It was used from the late 1700s with the last burial in there taking place in 1853. It's amazing how many tombstones you had to look at to find anyone who lived past 50. There were a handful, but not nearly as many as those who never saw their second birthday. The majority were between 27 and 42 years old at death. This was an area that was developed, had doctors, etc and had a relatively affluent citizenry.

 

[Fear This Eer]

You really put that much effort into flying and buying a plane ticket?

What did I mention that required much effort to fly and buy a ticket?

 

[herdfan429]

What did I mention that required much effort to fly and buy a ticket?

How many screen names do you have?

 

[19MU88]

How many screen names do you have?

that's around 5 at least. what a spaz.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

How many screen names do you have?

About ten more over the last week. The mods on the wvu board ban each one I post under, because @dave cried to multiple Rivals staffers that I was being mean to him.

that's around 5 at least. what a spaz.

You should stop using words that were cool in 80s teen movies. You look dumber than usual when you do it.

 

[19MU88]

About ten more over the last week. The mods on the wvu board ban each one I post under, because @dave cried to multiple Rivals staffers that I was being mean to him.



You should stop using words that were cool in 80s teen movies. You look dumber than usual when you do it.

well, one thing is for sure, you look just as pathetic as always. now, off to your afternoon of counting likes or creating new screen names - - and please how about something clever in the new screen names? I know message boards mean a lot to you, so I'm thinking if you put your mind to it, you can come up with a clever name.

 

[i am herdman]

What did I mention that required much effort to fly and buy a ticket?

Apparently, not as much effort as screen names.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Apparently, not as much effort as screen names.

So you’re admitting that your comment made no sense. Got it.

well, one thing is for sure, you look just as pathetic as always. now, off to your afternoon of counting likes or creating new screen names - - and please how about something clever in the new screen names? I know message boards mean a lot to you, so I'm thinking if you put your mind to it, you can come up with a clever name.

You should try a little bit harder.

 

[19MU88]

So you’re admitting that your comment made no sense. Got it.



You should try a little bit harder.

nah, you'd have to be a real pathetic spaz to put effort into a message board. I guess your efforts have been fruitful. You now have enough screen names to have a spirited debate with yourself.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

blood and guts

You ever give them details on the human sacrifices? Barbaric...and totally awesome, these people were nuts. 4th graders? I'd leave out the part about how dudes would cut off their own junk as a self-sacrifice lol.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

You now have enough screen names to have a spirited debate with yourself.

It doesn't matter how many screen names you have. You still wouldn't be able to get anyone to have a debate with you, just like it is on here now since everyone ignores you.

 

[19MU88]

It doesn't matter how many screen names you have. You still wouldn't be able to get anyone to have a debate with you, just like it is on here now since everyone ignores you.

Are you here for attention? Friendship?? I could not care less.

I’m not here for debate. I am here to laugh at libiots and cyber assholes. You just happen to be both.

 

[i am herdman]

So you’re admitting that your comment made no sense. Got it.



You should try a little bit harder.

I am not admitting anything. you put a ton of effort into airline miles and for such a high roller you are after cheap discount tickets. But, you spend more time making new screen names.

 

[GK4Herd]

You ever give them details on the human sacrifices? Barbaric...and totally awesome, these people were nuts. 4th graders? I'd leave out the part about how dudes would cut off their own junk as a self-sacrifice lol.

Of course I’m not graphic about it, but I’ve certainly mentioned the sacrifices...cutting out the heart, the skull rack they used to display their sacrifices, etc. The thing about kids, if they think it’s learning they’re not interested. But anything the least bit macabre you can hear a pin drop in class. They were spellbound by Edgar Allen Poe. The same thing with the hanging of Esmerelda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame. It gave them historical perspective and when the Notre Dame Cathedral caught fire they wanted to talk about it.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Of course I’m not graphic about it, but I’ve certainly mentioned the sacrifices...cutting out the heart, the skull rack they used to display their sacrifices, etc. The thing about kids, if they think it’s learning they’re not interested. But anything the least bit macabre you can hear a pin drop in class. They were spellbound by Edgar Allen Poe. The same thing with the hanging of Esmerelda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame. It gave them historical perspective and when the Notre Dame Cathedral caught fire they wanted to talk about it.

I had a history teacher at Huntington East who would "act" out portions of the history lessons. It was classic. He would have been reprimanded for being "insensitive" in today's classroom for the sheer brilliance he brought to acting out the words and deeds of the ancient Chinese Emperors alone. (may he rest in peace)

 

[WV-FAN]

But you'll end up blaming them for only giving you two free checked bags when you actually brought four.

I flew Southwest a few days ago. They're good, but I don't understand why they have a cult following. I have their companion pass, which means anyone can fly with me unlimited for free whenever I fly with no blackout dates, and I've used it a total of zero times.

I flew Frontier last week. They are supposed to charge for choosing your seat. When I got to the airport, they had me in a middle seat. The girl at the counter switched me to a row with nobody in it for free on both legs. I'll have to fly Spirit again soon so that I can tell GK how easy they are to fly.

not a frequent flier, what's best site or way to purchase airline tickets. going to Florida next month (destin). need 4 round trip out of dc.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I am not admitting anything. you put a ton of effort into airline miles and for such a high roller you are after cheap discount tickets. But, you spend more time making new screen names.

I know that you are old, so let me help you out.

There are a ton of these easy-to-use websites that allow you to put in your departure region, your arrival region, the dates you want to fly, and it will spit back a bunch of different prices and options for airlines. It takes about 30 seconds to do.

One of the best ones is Google flights. When you input the info, it will show you a calendar of the cheapest price to fly each day for weeks surrounding the day you choose. So you can see that flying a day earlier or two days later than what you had planned can save hundreds of dollars each way. Of if your date(s) is locked, you can see if it is worth it to pay $200 less per ticket to fly Frontier/Allegiant/Spirit for a two hour flight than it is to fly Delta. Again, that takes about 30 seconds to browse.

If taking one minute to save $200-$400 is "putting in a ton of effort" to you, then I'd hate to see your work ethic.

Currently, I have about 400,000 Ritz Carlton points (which is enough for five nights at their very best properties anywhere in the world plus a free sixth night for booking at least four nights - value approximately $4000), about 140,000 Chase travel points (cash value of about $1400 or about $2100 in traveling through any of their dozens of air/hotel partners, a $300 travel credit (any type of travel) from Chase, 102,000 Delta miles (Delta miles suck compared to other airlines), a free roundtrip flight with Delta, 13,000 miles on American, a free night at any level 5 or lower Marriott property, 12,000 miles on Frontier, 11,000 points with Hilton, 38,000 miles on Southwest along with a companion pass through the end of 2020 that allows free travel for anyone with me. And I'm sure I also have some points on airlines I don't fly often (United's Mileage Plus, etc.) and hotels I don't stay at much.

I also have the Priority Pass which gives me free lounge access and free food at just about every major airport. Last week, I flew out of Syracuse. They didn't have a lounge, but the pass allowed me $84 of free food at Johnny Rockets. I bought an early lunch for me and three strangers which was free for me. I flew out of Baltimore the week before that. The pass gave me free lounge access at BWI along with their free buffet, their unlimited bar, tons of snacks, etc. I've flown out of Denver twice in the last month. Each time, the pass gave me $84 to spend at the steakhouse in the airport.

I have a habit of never using my points when I travel and just letting them accumulate. Some of the other things (free roundtrip flight, free night stay at a hotel, etc.) have to be used in a calendar year, so I use those. But when you have a shit ton of points and status with these brands, you're treated like royalty. When I was in Berlin a few months ago, the Ritz Carlton upgraded my room without asking, gave me bonus points for staying with them without asking, and gave me free breakfast buffet (probably the best buffet I have ever had) for my room every morning. They had a Mercedes to take me anywhere I wanted while staying there and the desk attendants and servers at the buffet each day knew my name.

I stayed at a Ritz Carlton property in DC twice during February and March. Each time, they comped my breakfast buffet, gave me a $50 gift card to the connected hotel each time, and gave me a travel tote each time.

You don't have to spend much time doing it. When you sign up the first time you stay at a hotel brand or fly on an airline, simply have your browser save your log-in info. I also keep all of my log-in info in the notes section of my iPhone for everything. Once you do it the first time, you never have to worry about it again.

It takes one minute to see how much cheaper it is to fly on Frontier, Alaska, Allegiant, Spirit, or Southwest compared with Delta/United/U.S./etc. Southwest allows to watch live television. I like that perk and am willing to pay a bit more for it. Delta has a ton of free movies to watch on their app, but that is worthless to me considering I can watch any movie I download on my iPad. So why would I pay $200 more for a one way trip on Delta than on Frontier? Because you think their planes are safer? Pfft.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

not a frequent flier, what's best site or way to purchase airline tickets. going to Florida next month (destin). need 4 round trip out of dc.

I prefer Google flights. You can put in your departure and arrival cities and your date of departure, and it will bring up a monthly view to show the cheapest price every single day for weeks before and after your target departure.

Currently, you can leave from BWI on Saturday, July 6th and fly direct to Destin. You can then choose to leave either on the 10th (four days later) or the 13th (so that would give you a full week in Destin) going from Destin direct back to BWI. This is on Allegiant.

Total current cost for four people roundtrip from July 6th out of BWI direct to Destin and returning on July 13th from Destin direct to BWI? $568.

Next best price on those dates for four people? $1436 on Delta . . . and that's flying into and out of Pensacola instead of Destin which is a pain in the ass.

Now, why the huge discrepancy? Allegiant won't give you free movies to watch on your iPad like Delta will. Is that worth $900 to you? I hope not. Delta only charges $30 for a checked bag while Allegiant charges $60. Delta probably has a little more comfortable seats, but that isn't always the case when flying into smaller airports with smaller planes.

On Allegiant, you get a free personal item (small backpack, purse, etc.). Your family should be able to fit electronics/snacks in a personal item to hold them over for a 2 hour flight. If you guys can fit your stuff into two suitcases (so an adult's and child's clothes in one suitcase), you will only pay $120 more in baggage roundtrip than if you did the same on Delta. You're still saving $800 and getting to fly in/out of Destin instead of Pensacola.

On those Allegiant dates (the 6th to 13th), you can get four roundtrip flights, check two suitcases each way, and get four personal items (small backpack) each way for a grand total of $808. That's $202 per person roundtrip on direct flights. You will have trouble finding anything close to that elsewhere.

Google flights has most airlines on its calendar/rate list, but check with some other that they may not have (Southwest, Frontier, Spirit).

 

[i am herdman]

I know that you are old, so let me help you out.

There are a ton of these easy-to-use websites that allow you to put in your departure region, your arrival region, the dates you want to fly, and it will spit back a bunch of different prices and options for airlines. It takes about 30 seconds to do.

One of the best ones is Google flights. When you input the info, it will show you a calendar of the cheapest price to fly each day for weeks surrounding the day you choose. So you can see that flying a day earlier or two days later than what you had planned can save hundreds of dollars each way. Of if your date(s) is locked, you can see if it is worth it to pay $200 less per ticket to fly Frontier/Allegiant/Spirit for a two hour flight than it is to fly Delta. Again, that takes about 30 seconds to browse.

If taking one minute to save $200-$400 is "putting in a ton of effort" to you, then I'd hate to see your work ethic.

Currently, I have about 400,000 Ritz Carlton points (which is enough for five nights at their very best properties anywhere in the world plus a free sixth night for booking at least four nights - value approximately $4000), about 140,000 Chase travel points (cash value of about $1400 or about $2100 in traveling through any of their dozens of air/hotel partners, a $300 travel credit (any type of travel) from Chase, 102,000 Delta miles (Delta miles suck compared to other airlines), a free roundtrip flight with Delta, 13,000 miles on American, a free night at any level 5 or lower Marriott property, 12,000 miles on Frontier, 11,000 points with Hilton, 38,000 miles on Southwest along with a companion pass through the end of 2020 that allows free travel for anyone with me. And I'm sure I also have some points on airlines I don't fly often (United's Mileage Plus, etc.) and hotels I don't stay at much.

I also have the Priority Pass which gives me free lounge access and free food at just about every major airport. Last week, I flew out of Syracuse. They didn't have a lounge, but the pass allowed me $84 of free food at Johnny Rockets. I bought an early lunch for me and three strangers which was free for me. I flew out of Baltimore the week before that. The pass gave me free lounge access at BWI along with their free buffet, their unlimited bar, tons of snacks, etc. I've flown out of Denver twice in the last month. Each time, the pass gave me $84 to spend at the steakhouse in the airport.

I have a habit of never using my points when I travel and just letting them accumulate. Some of the other things (free roundtrip flight, free night stay at a hotel, etc.) have to be used in a calendar year, so I use those. But when you have a shit ton of points and status with these brands, you're treated like royalty. When I was in Berlin a few months ago, the Ritz Carlton upgraded my room without asking, gave me bonus points for staying with them without asking, and gave me free breakfast buffet (probably the best buffet I have ever had) for my room every morning. They had a Mercedes to take me anywhere I wanted while staying there and the desk attendants and servers at the buffet each day knew my name.

I stayed at a Ritz Carlton property in DC twice during February and March. Each time, they comped my breakfast buffet, gave me a $50 gift card to the connected hotel each time, and gave me a travel tote each time.

You don't have to spend much time doing it. When you sign up the first time you stay at a hotel brand or fly on an airline, simply have your browser save your log-in info. I also keep all of my log-in info in the notes section of my iPhone for everything. Once you do it the first time, you never have to worry about it again.

It takes one minute to see how much cheaper it is to fly on Frontier, Alaska, Allegiant, Spirit, or Southwest compared with Delta/United/U.S./etc. Southwest allows to watch live television. I like that perk and am willing to pay a bit more for it. Delta has a ton of free movies to watch on their app, but that is worthless to me considering I can watch any movie I download on my iPad. So why would I pay $200 more for a one way trip on Delta than on Frontier? Because you think their planes are safer? Pfft.

See above for the amount of effort he puts in it. Exhibit 755 your honor. A novel about booking flights. I stopped 30 seconds into it.

 

[i am herdman]

I prefer Google flights. You can put in your departure and arrival cities and your date of departure, and it will bring up a monthly view to show the cheapest price every single day for weeks before and after your target departure.

Currently, you can leave from BWI on Saturday, July 6th and fly direct to Destin. You can then choose to leave either on the 10th (four days later) or the 13th (so that would give you a full week in Destin) going from Destin direct back to BWI. This is on Allegiant.

Total current cost for four people roundtrip from July 6th out of BWI direct to Destin and returning on July 13th from Destin direct to BWI? $568.

Next best price on those dates for four people? $1436 on Delta . . . and that's flying into and out of Pensacola instead of Destin which is a pain in the ass.

Now, why the huge discrepancy? Allegiant won't give you free movies to watch on your iPad like Delta will. Is that worth $900 to you? I hope not. Delta only charges $30 for a checked bag while Allegiant charges $60. Delta probably has a little more comfortable seats, but that isn't always the case when flying into smaller airports with smaller planes.

On Allegiant, you get a free personal item (small backpack, purse, etc.). Your family should be able to fit electronics/snacks in a personal item to hold them over for a 2 hour flight. If you guys can fit your stuff into two suitcases (so an adult's and child's clothes in one suitcase), you will only pay $120 more in baggage roundtrip than if you did the same on Delta. You're still saving $800 and getting to fly in/out of Destin instead of Pensacola.

On those Allegiant dates (the 6th to 13th), you can get four roundtrip flights, check two suitcases each way, and get four personal items (small backpack) each way for a grand total of $808. That's $202 per person roundtrip on direct flights. You will have trouble finding anything close to that elsewhere.

Google flights has most airlines on its calendar/rate list, but check with some other that they may not have (Southwest, Frontier, Spirit).

Exhibit 756. Good night

 

[19MU88]

See above for the amount of effort he puts in it. Exhibit 755 your honor. A novel about cooking flights. I stopped 30 seconds into it.

good thing you didn't. it really wasn't about booking flights. he wanted to brag about points he has earned and his status within these travel reward programs. BORING

 

[WV-FAN]

I prefer Google flights. You can put in your departure and arrival cities and your date of departure, and it will bring up a monthly view to show the cheapest price every single day for weeks before and after your target departure.

Currently, you can leave from BWI on Saturday, July 6th and fly direct to Destin. You can then choose to leave either on the 10th (four days later) or the 13th (so that would give you a full week in Destin) going from Destin direct back to BWI. This is on Allegiant.

Total current cost for four people roundtrip from July 6th out of BWI direct to Destin and returning on July 13th from Destin direct to BWI? $568.

Next best price on those dates for four people? $1436 on Delta . . . and that's flying into and out of Pensacola instead of Destin which is a pain in the ass.

Now, why the huge discrepancy? Allegiant won't give you free movies to watch on your iPad like Delta will. Is that worth $900 to you? I hope not. Delta only charges $30 for a checked bag while Allegiant charges $60. Delta probably has a little more comfortable seats, but that isn't always the case when flying into smaller airports with smaller planes.

On Allegiant, you get a free personal item (small backpack, purse, etc.). Your family should be able to fit electronics/snacks in a personal item to hold them over for a 2 hour flight. If you guys can fit your stuff into two suitcases (so an adult's and child's clothes in one suitcase), you will only pay $120 more in baggage roundtrip than if you did the same on Delta. You're still saving $800 and getting to fly in/out of Destin instead of Pensacola.

On those Allegiant dates (the 6th to 13th), you can get four roundtrip flights, check two suitcases each way, and get four personal items (small backpack) each way for a grand total of $808. That's $202 per person roundtrip on direct flights. You will have trouble finding anything close to that elsewhere.

Google flights has most airlines on its calendar/rate list, but check with some other that they may not have (Southwest, Frontier, Spirit).

wow, you just saved me $532 and got us an extra day in FL. we were planning on leaving on the 14th and returning on the 20th. I searched those dates and lowest that came back was $353. noticed your search was sat to sat vs. sun to sat, so searched 13th with 20th return and found an allegiant flight for $220. can easily get a room for the extra night (we've booked a beach condo from the 14th-20th) and pay for a rental with the savings. THANKS!

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

It helps to do the research online. It amazes me still that people don't pick their seats when booking online. That nuts. FYI, If you have tight connections, pick a seat up front, as close to the cabin door as you can get. Getting into ATL and trying to make a 20 minute connection, sitting in Row 23, that's not good. Hell it takes 20 minutes for the plane to empty.

 

[goherd73]

Well I guess Rifle gets the last laugh on this thread.

 

[i am herdman]

good thing you didn't. it really wasn't about booking flights. he wanted to brag about points he has earned and his status within these travel reward programs. BORING

I know a lot of high rollers who fly Spirit and Allegiant. And, spend a lot of time worrying about searching for the best deals on them.

 

[i am herdman]

Well I guess Rifle gets the last laugh on this thread.

Not really, those long post about his points and booking are really kind of well, long and boring. One of them was 10 paragraphs that involved everything from booking flights on google to the Ritz Carlton. Dude, is worried about spending time picking between Spirit and Allegiant, but stay where they charge $25 for a bottle of Deer Park water. I think I would just hire a travel Agent or call AAA if I was that obsessed with it. If I was a real high roller, I would not worry about it.

 

[GK4Herd]

I use Orbitz. The key to flight cost is having flexibility of flight date. Like rifle said, you can set the filter to search several days before and after your selected dates. That can sometimes make a huge difference. If you live in an area like WV where you have these small airports, taking a two to three hour drive to Columbus or Cincy can save you a ton. Especially if you are buying several tickets.

 

[WV-FAN]

wife found tix yesterday for $353/ea. rifle pointed me to allegiant and i got 4 tix and a rental car for $100 less than the total of tix she found. flying out of pittsburgh, instead. was $160 less than out of DC. same distance for me.

 

[i am herdman]

wife found tix yesterday for $353/ea. rifle pointed me to allegiant and i got 4 tix and a rental car for $100 less than the total of tix she found. flying out of pittsburgh, instead. was $160 less than out of DC. same distance for me.

You are spending $1412 in tickets, plus the extra night in the hotel, so you will have extra meals, and expenses in the airports. Let's say $1600 at least with all the cost and you are going to F around in airports for 8 to 10 hours.

 

[WV-FAN]

You are spending $1412 in tickets, plus the extra night in the hotel, so you will have extra meals, and expenses in the airports. Let's say $1600 at least with all the cost and you are going to F around in airports for 8 to 10 hours.

at the end of the day it's worth it to me to not have to drive 30 hours which would probably entail a stay over on the way down and way back, costing me another 2 nights in a room. 15 hours one way . . . no thanks.

 

[i am herdman]

at the end of the day it's worth it to me to not have to drive 30 hours which would probably entail a stay over on the way down and way back, costing me another 2 nights in a room. 15 hours one way . . . no thanks.

Renting a car when you get there or was the whole week included?