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This post was edited on 3/20 6:52 PM by ShadySpring
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great read on espn abt marshall
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I am calling BS on Mike Hamrick. Boise State is not having any trouble scheduling Power 5 schools. In the next three years, Boise has scheduled Washington, Wazoo (twice), Virginia (twice), Oregon State and I am unsure how you call BYU but they play them all three years. Boise is a larger city than Huntington, but Albertsons Stadium only seats 37,000 - and it is cold out there.
Mike picks patsies like Rhode Island and Norfolk State and then wonders why we get no respect. If we have to play at the lower levels, pick FCS schools like North Dakota State, Montana, Delaware, Illinois State or Sam Houston State - at least we could get some respect for beating them.
Please don't tell me about all the teams that will not come to Huntington, like WVU, VA Tech, Louisville, Cincinnati, Ohio State, Wisconsin and on and on, because even MAC schools get home and away schedules with the likes of Pittsburgh, Indiana, Purdue, and Kentucky. You would think that if Virginia will travel to Idaho, they would drive over the mountain to play us.
History will be made this year when the first B1G team will play in Huntington - Pitiful and pathetic. Somehow we need to do a better job scheduling and the buck stops with the AD.
Mike picks patsies like Rhode Island and Norfolk State and then wonders why we get no respect. If we have to play at the lower levels, pick FCS schools like North Dakota State, Montana, Delaware, Illinois State or Sam Houston State - at least we could get some respect for beating them.
Please don't tell me about all the teams that will not come to Huntington, like WVU, VA Tech, Louisville, Cincinnati, Ohio State, Wisconsin and on and on, because even MAC schools get home and away schedules with the likes of Pittsburgh, Indiana, Purdue, and Kentucky. You would think that if Virginia will travel to Idaho, they would drive over the mountain to play us.
History will be made this year when the first B1G team will play in Huntington - Pitiful and pathetic. Somehow we need to do a better job scheduling and the buck stops with the AD.
I agree herdgadfly.
9 out of the 13 teams in C-USA play AT LEAST TWO Power 5 games this year, some of them play three power 5 games, some against multiple SEC teams. UTSA plays Arizona, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and Colorado State this year.
We can do better.
9 out of the 13 teams in C-USA play AT LEAST TWO Power 5 games this year, some of them play three power 5 games, some against multiple SEC teams. UTSA plays Arizona, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and Colorado State this year.
We can do better.
I do not know the inner workings on the athletic department but from a fans perspective I can see the point made in the story.
It is about national perspective from the media and coaching/AD people.
Media perspective is(whether we like it or not) is almost zero respect as far as being a top or semi top level team. and due to the last 8-10 years Bosie has developed that respect by beating those top level teams at times. right or wrong it is what it is. anyone who thinks I am wrong there can't read or doesn't read.
All the 1AA teams that get scheduled hurts the perception in the media.
The athletic department professionals know that we can beat them should there be a few lucky bounces our way or they just don't play well during the game. Most of the G5 teams they schedule without a good perception they can still beat even when not playing their best in an away game. So most traditional lower end in football P5 teams don't want to come to Marshall and possibly lose which when it could be the difference in a 6-6 and 5-7 record and killing their chance at a bowl game.
Future scheduling looks to be getting better. One thing I think as a fan that should never happen again is playing ANY 1AA teams(that kills any media respect - unique perspective it might be batter to play 11 games rather than 12 in the situation of having to play a 1AA team. might be able to make a point that would be discussed prominently in the media that rather not play inferior competition when none of the big boys will play. I know sounds stupid but might work in that situation should it occur. Media blasted us for our weak schedule last year so giving up a game against lower level completion just might increase both SOS and media perception. I know the loss of revenue would hurt for that year, but if it gave some respect for future years might be worth it for the long term). 1 game each year against P5 teams (even if it takes a 1 and done at their place), all other games should be 1-1 (or other equal amount of games home and home) against traditional top teams from other G5 schools. We do that win a few against the P5 and get decent bowl games against P5 schools and win a couple of those, then we start getting respect from the media and the P5 teams will start doing the 1-1 and 2-1 with us. Cause it does not hurt them in the media should we win a close game or play them close.
whether we like it or not the media drives scheduling out of conference thought process of athletic departments. It sucks but that is the way it is. Anyone who thinks otherwise understands nothing about how the sports media operates.
It is about national perspective from the media and coaching/AD people.
Media perspective is(whether we like it or not) is almost zero respect as far as being a top or semi top level team. and due to the last 8-10 years Bosie has developed that respect by beating those top level teams at times. right or wrong it is what it is. anyone who thinks I am wrong there can't read or doesn't read.
All the 1AA teams that get scheduled hurts the perception in the media.
The athletic department professionals know that we can beat them should there be a few lucky bounces our way or they just don't play well during the game. Most of the G5 teams they schedule without a good perception they can still beat even when not playing their best in an away game. So most traditional lower end in football P5 teams don't want to come to Marshall and possibly lose which when it could be the difference in a 6-6 and 5-7 record and killing their chance at a bowl game.
Future scheduling looks to be getting better. One thing I think as a fan that should never happen again is playing ANY 1AA teams(that kills any media respect - unique perspective it might be batter to play 11 games rather than 12 in the situation of having to play a 1AA team. might be able to make a point that would be discussed prominently in the media that rather not play inferior competition when none of the big boys will play. I know sounds stupid but might work in that situation should it occur. Media blasted us for our weak schedule last year so giving up a game against lower level completion just might increase both SOS and media perception. I know the loss of revenue would hurt for that year, but if it gave some respect for future years might be worth it for the long term). 1 game each year against P5 teams (even if it takes a 1 and done at their place), all other games should be 1-1 (or other equal amount of games home and home) against traditional top teams from other G5 schools. We do that win a few against the P5 and get decent bowl games against P5 schools and win a couple of those, then we start getting respect from the media and the P5 teams will start doing the 1-1 and 2-1 with us. Cause it does not hurt them in the media should we win a close game or play them close.
whether we like it or not the media drives scheduling out of conference thought process of athletic departments. It sucks but that is the way it is. Anyone who thinks otherwise understands nothing about how the sports media operates.
Amidst the mass amounts of stupidity in your post...I will waste time trying to make you less dumb.
Boise has reached their current status after about a DECADE of what we're currently going through.
Occasionally, they got a big name team...but it wasn't until Boise remained consistent in winning did they actually garner national respect.
Boise has established themselves as a "Non Power-5 Power team" which, no doubt, did Ole Miss argue "We beat Boise State!!! BOISE STATE!" as a way to get into the best possible position in the post-season as they could.
You actually saw highlights of this in the Snyder error and Cancer Marcum...Marshall was playing big name schools...had them scheduled in a row...ohio state, VT, K-State, UT, Miami...
Marshall HAD garnished respect of the nation and HAD respect from others to actually be scheduled and even have a return game or two.
Then Snyder got hired and well...we all know what happened.
Essentially, what I am saying is, Boise had to go through about a decade of not being taken seriously. Eventually, they kept winning AND HAD to play major teams because they qualified for the BCS.
Their AD had the same problem with scheduling teams.
However, the social outlook on them changed and they are easier to schedule bigger teams BECAUSE of their decade of having to simply win...no longer is a win over them laughed at, it's definitely a quality win.
That's something Hamrick has been trying with Marshall, to gain respect in beating us...that Marshall "is a quality win" rather than just an afterthought due to our conference affiliation.
You have to start somewhere. Hamrick could've scheduled the best FCS school, Marshall rolls them by 45 points, wouldn't have mattered.
Hamrick's getting NC State and Purdue...which is what Boise had to get (some equivalent) while they were being established. Once we beat them, we can move up in scheduling because we'll be taken more seriously.
The only reason why the P-5 doesn't take the G-5 seriously is because the G-5 isn't consistent in producing any large number of schools, rather, just 1 or 2 a season...Boise and someone else usually...which is a justified reason to not take us seriously.
Marshall/Boise, etc, need to earn their way back into respect...Boise's done that...Marshall is on their way.
Please, if you can do a better job, submit your craptastic resume to Marshall's AD. I'm sure they'd love to see what you have to offer.
Boise has reached their current status after about a DECADE of what we're currently going through.
Occasionally, they got a big name team...but it wasn't until Boise remained consistent in winning did they actually garner national respect.
Boise has established themselves as a "Non Power-5 Power team" which, no doubt, did Ole Miss argue "We beat Boise State!!! BOISE STATE!" as a way to get into the best possible position in the post-season as they could.
You actually saw highlights of this in the Snyder error and Cancer Marcum...Marshall was playing big name schools...had them scheduled in a row...ohio state, VT, K-State, UT, Miami...
Marshall HAD garnished respect of the nation and HAD respect from others to actually be scheduled and even have a return game or two.
Then Snyder got hired and well...we all know what happened.
Essentially, what I am saying is, Boise had to go through about a decade of not being taken seriously. Eventually, they kept winning AND HAD to play major teams because they qualified for the BCS.
Their AD had the same problem with scheduling teams.
However, the social outlook on them changed and they are easier to schedule bigger teams BECAUSE of their decade of having to simply win...no longer is a win over them laughed at, it's definitely a quality win.
That's something Hamrick has been trying with Marshall, to gain respect in beating us...that Marshall "is a quality win" rather than just an afterthought due to our conference affiliation.
You have to start somewhere. Hamrick could've scheduled the best FCS school, Marshall rolls them by 45 points, wouldn't have mattered.
Hamrick's getting NC State and Purdue...which is what Boise had to get (some equivalent) while they were being established. Once we beat them, we can move up in scheduling because we'll be taken more seriously.
The only reason why the P-5 doesn't take the G-5 seriously is because the G-5 isn't consistent in producing any large number of schools, rather, just 1 or 2 a season...Boise and someone else usually...which is a justified reason to not take us seriously.
Marshall/Boise, etc, need to earn their way back into respect...Boise's done that...Marshall is on their way.
Please, if you can do a better job, submit your craptastic resume to Marshall's AD. I'm sure they'd love to see what you have to offer.
The Mac schedules 3-1 deals. Or 0-1 payday games. We don't need to do that. 1-1 or nothing. I agree about dropping FCS though
Gadfly, have you been under a rock? No kind of "history" will be made this fall because of Purdue coming to H-town. Man, the HERD has already played VA Tech, Kansas State and WVU (twice) at the Joan while these schools were "BCS" teams, equivalent to the current "Power 5". Also, throw in Cincinnati cause I believe they were a BCS (Big East) team when they played at the Joan too.
well, from a respect in the media perspective, we just don't need to play them both in their place and hopefully some at home. We gotta beat a few, talking about traditional football programs, not Cinci and those types who are just in. Yes 2 years ago we beat Maryland in a bowl game. Need to show a trend of beating or at least playing close the "traditional" football programs. If we play Vandy at their place to a close loss it would mean more to the media types than say beating Louisville Even though Vandy is a perineial bottom feeder in the SEC they still are in the SEC and that means something to the sports media people.
Right or wrong it is the way it is.
Right or wrong it is the way it is.
LOL! So some of you jokesters want to blame Hammrick? He says he's spends an hour a week on the phone working on scheduling. UK won't even pick up the phone anymore.
He's gotten us gigs with Pitt NC State Purdue and you want to complain?
Folks it's like the old days again, nobody wants to play a mid major marshall , and the reason can be seen on TV right now, march madness is the perfect example why majors DON'T want to play GOOD mid majors. They lose, and they lose a LOT.
In time I see us in the AAC again where our real rivals lie. Until then enjoy the wins and support the team and Hamrick!
He's gotten us gigs with Pitt NC State Purdue and you want to complain?
Folks it's like the old days again, nobody wants to play a mid major marshall , and the reason can be seen on TV right now, march madness is the perfect example why majors DON'T want to play GOOD mid majors. They lose, and they lose a LOT.
In time I see us in the AAC again where our real rivals lie. Until then enjoy the wins and support the team and Hamrick!
Hamrick has done a really good job. Marshall scheduling was screwed up by 2 things mostly: conf realignment and WVU. Without realignment we would have played Louisville at home last year along with UCF and played ECU on road. Nobody would have been complaining about our schedule if that was case. WVU refuses to be reasonable and that's their pejorative. Now that the dust has settled for those 2 items you can see that MH has made progress.
Boise, as stated, has gone through the wars and has had enough success to get some good games. Most of those are away from Boise. The other advantage Boise has is the MW in basically only western based non P5 league.....so unless PAC12 schools can convince (and pay) east coast teams to come west, the MW is their best option. In eastern US there are plenty of teams (MAC etc) who will play sacrificial lamb and most other G5 schools are in eastern half of country. UTSA and some others will always have some advantage due to location. Urban area, great recruiting territory allows you to draw better scheduling just like UCF. UK can't play us as they need guaranteed OOC wins.
I would play one and done at semi-neutral sites like Boise has done (VT in DC, Ole Miss in Atlanta etc) but would avoid true one and dones. The biggest thing that would help MU scheduling is for the league to get better and win some OCC games. Now that there is some stability, let's hope we see progress in that area. The MW got respect not only from OOC wins but strength within league when TCU, Boise, and Utah all had top 15 caliber programs.
Boise, as stated, has gone through the wars and has had enough success to get some good games. Most of those are away from Boise. The other advantage Boise has is the MW in basically only western based non P5 league.....so unless PAC12 schools can convince (and pay) east coast teams to come west, the MW is their best option. In eastern US there are plenty of teams (MAC etc) who will play sacrificial lamb and most other G5 schools are in eastern half of country. UTSA and some others will always have some advantage due to location. Urban area, great recruiting territory allows you to draw better scheduling just like UCF. UK can't play us as they need guaranteed OOC wins.
I would play one and done at semi-neutral sites like Boise has done (VT in DC, Ole Miss in Atlanta etc) but would avoid true one and dones. The biggest thing that would help MU scheduling is for the league to get better and win some OCC games. Now that there is some stability, let's hope we see progress in that area. The MW got respect not only from OOC wins but strength within league when TCU, Boise, and Utah all had top 15 caliber programs.
When Hamrick got to MU he spent allot of time traveling and talking to fans about what we wanted for future schedules. The fans, at the time, wanted games we could travel to, a winnable schedule, more games with traditional rivals and less ass kicker games. This was after a decade of starting the season as warm ups for OSU, Miami and the like, with wvu sandwiched in between. Hamrick did exactly what was asked of him and now the same people think he's setting us up for failure.
If we had played Louisville last season I doubt half the threads like this would exist.
If we had played Louisville last season I doubt half the threads like this would exist.
Those schools schedule MAC teams because they know they'll destroy them. We're not that free win that most MAC schools are. Bigger schools don't want to play us. Not decent/good ones anyway. Sure, Boise gets Washington, Oregon St, etc because those schools aren't very good, so they need a winnable game like Boise after getting smashed by USC, Oregon, Standford, etc all year.
Wasnt there rumors not long ago of another football series close to being signed? I know about the ones that are already signed.
a few mid to lower end SEC, B10, and B12 teams take a couple one and done(if you can't get a 1-1 or 2-1, a 2-1 with KY or a similar school would be fine with me) at their place. no 1AA, and 1-1 for other top end G5 schools(bosie, any of the military acedmys they have respect regardless, BYU, CSU, and regardless of the hate -- UCF or UH, and the like). any thing else does not give any potential for pushing our program forward.
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My personal opinion is if a internet company has good content that is wanted by those interested in the content they advertise to supply if they offer a TRUE FREE membership, they will get many like me to pay after the free trial is over.
Just a observation -- those that are willing to give you the CC info to start the free membership will do so regardless, those like me that will not, will give you the shot and then some will join some will not, depends on whether they like the content that is supplied. I would think it is a win for you getting some that would not otherwise join when requiring the CC info, without the truly free trial. Would I be willing to pay for the non free info and other things that are on the pay portion of the site, with a true FREE TRIAL I would give it a shot and if I enjoyed the content would supply the info to pay for the content.
Apparently there are a lot of schools taking us up on the "nothing" part of your statement. We simply don't have the bargaining power to demand 1-1s with every P5 school we might contact.
Completely agree with you about FCS.
No FCS. I wouldn't mind 2-1's with some P5 schools. I know 6 home games are a must financially but Hammy can do better on the OOC schedule and is. Moving forward I think.
Of course it's Hamricks fault. Other teams in our conference had the same weak conference but schedule 2 P5 teams meaning they have a higher SOS. You have to be willing to give something in negotiations. Hamricks refuses to consider a 3-2 or a 2-1 with a P5 team he wants it to be even. That's not gonna happen. P5 schools run the show its their rules we have to play by them.
