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Hey Raoul

i met the Van Winkle family at a foodie event. I know knothing about whiskey/bourbon but the chefs there were pumped about all things Pappy.

If I rob a bank before the auction I’ll get you a bottle.
I was at an event in B'sville & got a bottle of Pappy. For what I paid, I have no idea what event left in my life would be worth celebrating by breaking open the bottle.
 
Save your money and get a bottle of Old Weller Antique 107. $25 around here and 90% as good as the Pappy's.

If you must buy a bottle of Pappy before you die, the 15 year is better than the 23 year.

I'm still enjoying that bottle of barrel strength, single barrel I was given. I'll go ahead and spill the beans here...it is Buffalo Trace, mashbill #1.
 
Save your money and get a bottle of Old Weller Antique 107. $25 around here and 90% as good as the Pappy's.

If you must buy a bottle of Pappy before you die, the 15 year is better than the 23 year.

I'm still enjoying that bottle of barrel strength, single barrel I was given. I'll go ahead and spill the beans here...it is Buffalo Trace, mashbill #1.
I'm going to a taping of Bluegrass Underground this year - there are a couple of distilleries I want to hit on the trip.
 
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I was at an event in B'sville & got a bottle of Pappy. For what I paid, I have no idea what event left in my life would be worth celebrating by breaking open the bottle.
You hit the bourbon lotto. Need to break down some day, visit a bar and pay the outrageous sum just to see what the commotion is about ....as I've never even tasted it, and I've been a bourbon guy for decades.
 
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I bid ( but didn’t win) on a 1/20th stake in a barrel done by Sean Brock (Husk), the Van Winkle family, and Glen Roberts (Anson Mills). I figured I’d sell most of it because I wouldn’t appreciate it.
 
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I know enough to know I wouldnt know the difference between Pappy and a $20 bottle probably.

I just know people go nuts about Pappy.

I’m a coffee guy but just havent drank/read/experienced enough wine or bourbon to know anything or taste much difference .
 
You hit the bourbon lotto. Need to break down some day, visit a bar and pay the outrageous sum just to see what the commotion is about ....as I've never even tasted it, and I've been a bourbon guy for decades.
Ironically, I haven't tasted it yet either :) I'll see if I can find the list of bourbon's that were on sale at this event for reference.
 
I know enough to know I wouldnt know the difference between Pappy and a $20 bottle probably.

I just know people go nuts about Pappy.

I’m a coffee guy but just havent drank/read/experienced enough wine or bourbon to know anything or taste much difference .
Visit a distillery or two along the bourbon trail & do the tastings - the few I've been to do a really good job of highlighting the notes. I'm a big fan of Woodford but we went to a food pairing done with Four Roses & it's a close second.
 
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I know enough to know I wouldnt know the difference between Pappy and a $20 bottle probably.

I just know people go nuts about Pappy.

I’m a coffee guy but just havent drank/read/experienced enough wine or bourbon to know anything or taste much difference .

I have been lucky to try the Pappys. I am going to be honest with you: it is over-hyped. Would you taste the difference in the Pappy's and a $20 bottle of pretty good stuff? Yes. Are there $20 bottles of bourbon that are good? Yes.

Is it great? YES. The high wheat bill takes well to the long aging in the barrels. And they use the absolute best barrels for it. The best to the point I think the 23 year is a little too much wood on the end, and that is not for everyone.The 15 year is better IMHO.

BT/Saranac has done a great job with marketing and limited availability for Pappy. And it is very damn good stuff. But when you start to understand how bourbon is made, it starts to make a lot less sense for the price. And that is even for list price, with the markups...wow. There is little in the price difference to produce the actual booze for a lower price vs higher price booze. The real difference is in barrels and where in the warehouse it ages. Let's say the best barrels are 10/10. That's for Pappy. Are bourbons in the barrels that are 8/10 or 9/10 bad? FVCK NO. They are great. Experience says level "x" of the warehouse ages better than level "z". Is level Z bad? NO.

A common misconception is that good bourbon is "smooth". Not at all. While a great bourbon should not bite you with fire alcohol, it will have very distinctive flavors, some of which are not appreciated, or not even liked, by many drinkers. Strong smokes/woods especially. I am drunk as shit right now on this single barrel/barrel proof BT, and I can assure you the typical Jim Beam drinker would not love it....and it is some good stuff.

None of this applies for the cheap shit. But there is a wide range of bourbons from $20-$100 that are really good. I have found quite a few in the $25 to $50 range that are very good.

If you want to find out what you like, and do it for cheap, I would suggest three affordable choices:

Wheated: Weller 107. I am not shitting, it is almost as good as Pappy.

Low rye: Eagle Rare. A step above Buffalo Trace for ten bucks more a fifth. Maybe the best affordable bourbon that works equally well neat or in a mixed drink. Oh, and it's BT made, same as Pappy.

Rye Whiskey: Bulleit Rye: spicy and pepper with some sweet, some cinnamon and clove as it finishes.
 
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Shit you not, I got a headache reading this thread and am considering taking a few things back to the store that wasn't stolen.
 
I've been a Maker's guy forever. I was a charter member in the "Ambassador" club. I guess when you develop a taste for a brand - the others just don't add up.

Guess I should expand my horizons....but that might mean I'd have to revoke my years-long motto:

One wife....one bourbon. One's a brunette....the other's a redhead.
 
I understand.

If you don't mind, shoot me an email to bourbonburner@gmail.com

I have corresponded with GK before via email and BC in person, so they can vouch for me if you need it. I try to keep some anonymity too (and don't have a facebook or instagram either), so I understand.
 
Raoul...as a moderator you can use the private conversation feature at the top of the page. Click on the envelope on the green bar and type in who you want to talk to privately. Just click...”Start a conversation.”
 
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Raoul...as a moderator you can use the private conversation feature at the top of the page. Click on the envelope on the green bar and type in who you want to talk to privately. Just click...”Start a conversation.”
I think HerdPlusFan needs to give him instructions on how to use that feature.
 
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