To Huntington HS for winning both the Boys and Girls State Basketball championship
How about some props
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They got beat by Hurricane in the sectionals. Mick Price drew this clusterfvck up. Once you lose, you should be out.
Yeah, it's a much better system.
Under the old way, you could have the top two teams in the state in the same region and only one would go to Charleston.
Exactly. Many times the teams in Southern WV were some of the best and only one would make it. This way is much better. It would be nice if there wasn't second chances but because the best teams seemed to be grouped in the same regions this way works much better.
Example: Huntington and Midland are in the same section. Since I don't know the section number I will call it section 1. Midland beats Huntington in the sectional final. Both move on to the regional. Midland would host the loser of section 2 and Huntington would be the visitor against the winner of section 2. Those 2 winners would advance to the state tournament,
It's atrocious. The goal is to simply determine the best team in the state. The goal isn't to put together the most competitive game for the fans in the state championship. To find the best team in the state, you should take the winning teams from each section. If the #1 and #2 teams happen to be in the same section, it is irrelevant, since the winner of that game (assuming they both are good enough to make it to the sectional championship) moves on as the best team.
The NBA could have the two best teams in the same division or conference. Only one of them will move onto the NBA championship series. MLB may have the two best teams in the same division, yet only one of them will move onto the conference championship series and/or world series. Same with the NHL . . . same with the NFL. If the Patriots had lost to the Texans in the AFC championship game, should the Pats also be allowed to go the Super Bowl since they were the best team in football?
The NBA goes by best 8 records. More than 1 team from each division can make the playoff. Other professional sports have wild card games so that 2 of the best teams do not have to compete for one spot alone. It helps the best teams make the playoffs and that's basically the same system as the WV State tournament, just with Sec. and Reg. instead of wildcard games.
The state basketball tourney has lost something since I was a kid and went there to see Sistersville play in 74 and 77. With the loss of so many high schools over the last 30 years, maybe it is time to go to one class like Kentucky does. Then the sectionals and regionals will have their meaning again like it was over 40 years ago.
And more than one team from each conference can make the sectional playoffs in WV high school basketball. Sectionals are like playoffs in the NBA.
Your claim that sectionals are like a wild-card game is the complete opposite of what it is. In a wild-card game (series), if you lose, you're done. In WV sectionals, if you lose, you can keep playing. It takes away the great nature of it, just like an expanded FBS playoff system would take away the great excitement of the regular season by greatly watering down the importance of each game.
What I meant by saying they were similar was to explain that they both give sections/divisions the chance to get two teams into the playoff instead of just one.
Totally clicked on the thread because I thought it was about football.
Why aren't sectionals enough of a playoff? You go through a longer regular season to earn a sectional spot/seed. You win the section to earn a final four (or however many go to Charleston for each class). If the top two teams in the state are in the same section, so be it; the top team needs to win the section to play for the state championship. If the top team in the state loses in the state semis, should they also get to play in the state championship since they were supposedly the best team? Why not? That is the same allowance they are given in sectionals (akin to a playoff in professional sports).
Why even have sectionals if you can play for a state championship without winning it? Just take the best teams after the 20+ regular season games and put them in a four-team playoff. Of course, if the #1 team (the best team) loses in the state semis, you are back to square one.
My kid plays for Hurricane and yes, Huntington beat them and hosted the loser of section 2 (Parkersburg). Hurricane went on the road and faced Section 2 champ (Parkersburg South) and lost.
Huntington and Parkersburg South represented Region 4 in the states.
Huntington and Parkersburg South represented Region 4 in the states.
The Ky tournament allows one loss in the district finals so two teams move on to the regional. Of course they have a one class all comers tournament involving hundreds of schools and the one loss proposition has more credibility. In WV you have a AAA class with less than forty schools so I've never thought giving anybody a pass thru with a loss was competitively a good thing for any class. Many of the greatest games are those played against your big rival in sectional play in a packed gym. not at 9:30 on Wed morning in a cold and empty CCC. I played in three state tournaments and two state champs and just think you need to be perfect record wise to win a championship. Sometimes life isn't fair and the prospect of an early exit makes it more compelling for all involved. If a team is good enough and tough enough and play well then they'll be fine. One and done is much more legit.
I'd think one could consider this thread, "Eer bait," cause they LOOOOVE to talk about how many props we supposedly take.
I do not care for any format where losing does not eliminate a team. This is a small enough state where the state playoffs cannot be one big single-elimination deal. We are going to lose another 4 to 5 schools in the near future. Yeah, I get the idea that the best two teams might be neighbors. Life.
Really, IMHO, the solution to the idea that teams get home games is that HSs should not host any playoffs at all. Playoff games could easily be held at the various state colleges and other non-HS venues. The SSAC won't do that because it does not want to pay rent.
Really, IMHO, the solution to the idea that teams get home games is that HSs should not host any playoffs at all. Playoff games could easily be held at the various state colleges and other non-HS venues. The SSAC won't do that because it does not want to pay rent.
dangerousdan what did you mean about Coach Mick Price at Ravenswood? Not sure I understand your reference to him. One of the most successful HS coaches in WV.
Mick Price is a very good man and successful high school coach. Mike devised the current plan within the WV Coaches Association and that group sold the concept to the WVSSAC. I assume that's what Dangerous Dan is talking about.
I have known Mick Price since he came to Sistersville in the fall of 75 as an assistant football and basketball coach. First rate person and first rate coach.
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