How Manafort’s 2016 meeting with a Russian employee at New York cigar club goes to ‘the heart’ of Mu

[dherd]

The Aug. 2, 2016, encounter between the senior Trump campaign officials and Kilimnik, who prosecutors allege has ties to Russian intelligence, has emerged in recent days as a potential fulcrum in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation.

It was at that meeting that prosecutors believe Manafort and Kilimnik may have exchanged key information relevant to Russia and Trump’s presidential bid. The encounter goes “very much to the heart of what the special counsel’s office is investigating,” prosecutor Andrewhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-manaforts-2016-meeting-with-a-russian-employee-at-new-york-cigar-club-goes-to-the-heart-of-muellers-probe/2019/02/12/655f84dc-2d67-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html?utm_term=.fc9a542b7e12

 

[mlblack16.]

Hey RE-tard

@dherd How's come you haven't shared this bit of damning news about Trump, YOUR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES??

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...el-found-no-evidence-of-russia-conspiracy.amp

 

[mlblack16.]

RE-tard, will you be going back into hiding then for the next 6 months?

 

[dherd]

 

[herdfan429]

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Says the little b!tch that ran away for six months TWICE

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

Mueller also discovered Dherd can't make a topic headline.

 

[Chevy1]

Below is a link to a pretty strong accounting of what Burr said.

One would think this committee would offer stronger assurances. By Burr's comments, it's really not conclusive nor has the investigation been formally completed. And the politics of it smell pretty bad especially since this wasn't a joint announcement with both Dems and Republicans committee members.

If Mueller's team has proof of an exchange of info between Manafort and Russians - with a commitment to attempt to lift sanctions - then it really doesn't matter what Burr is saying. From the timing of this announcement to the latest release of Manafort/Russian communications, one could conclude Burr is attempting to take some heat off the White House.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/richar...e-committees-russia-investigation-2-years-on/

"What I'm telling you is that I'm going to present, as best we can, the facts to you and to the American people. And you'll have to draw your own conclusion as to whether you think that, by whatever definition, that's collusion," he said.

Burr has often voiced his awareness that his committee's report will be tested by the special counsel's findings. He has said he's comforted by it, in part because Mueller, by virtue of having more and better investigative tools, may provide answers that proved elusive to his team.

But Burr remained evasive as to whether Mueller's final report should itself be made public — even if it could conceivably fill in some gaps within his own probe. "I'm going to leave that up to whoever the A.G. is at the time," he said.

Would he ask — or, if needed, compel — Mueller to testify before the committee, after his work was done?

"Open question," he said. "I don't know the answer."

 

[ThunderCat98]

Mueller's investigation is at 2 years this May. Anyone think if there was collusion on the part of Trump it would have (should have) come to light by now? This whole thing is past the point of absurdity. Do I like Donald Trump? Fvck no. Do I think he should be President? Same. Do I think he colluded with Russia to win the Presidency? No. He won for a similar reason as Obama - because America is now a Nation of morons. People vote for soundbites, with their "feelings," and not on rationality and principles. The choices for President will only get worse from here on out, alternating between liberal and conservative idiocy, depending on who gets more people to the poles in a given cycle. God help this once-great country.

 

[mlblack16.]

Below is a link to a pretty strong accounting of what Burr said.

One would think this committee would offer stronger assurances. By Burr's comments, it's really not conclusive nor has the investigation been formally completed. And the politics of it smell pretty bad especially since this wasn't a joint announcement with both Dems and Republicans committee members.

If Mueller's team has proof of an exchange of info between Manafort and Russians - with a commitment to attempt to lift sanctions - then it really doesn't matter what Burr is saying. From the timing of this announcement to the latest release of Manafort/Russian communications, one could conclude Burr is attempting to take some heat off the White House.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/richar...e-committees-russia-investigation-2-years-on/

"What I'm telling you is that I'm going to present, as best we can, the facts to you and to the American people. And you'll have to draw your own conclusion as to whether you think that, by whatever definition, that's collusion," he said.

Burr has often voiced his awareness that his committee's report will be tested by the special counsel's findings. He has said he's comforted by it, in part because Mueller, by virtue of having more and better investigative tools, may provide answers that proved elusive to his team.

But Burr remained evasive as to whether Mueller's final report should itself be made public — even if it could conceivably fill in some gaps within his own probe. "I'm going to leave that up to whoever the A.G. is at the time," he said.

Would he ask — or, if needed, compel — Mueller to testify before the committee, after his work was done?

"Open question," he said. "I don't know the answer."

Yeah, yeah, we get it. As long as Trump is found innocent, then the investigation was flawed.

 

[dherd]

Weissmann said in the hearing that one of the special counsel’s main tasks is to examine contacts between Americans and Russia during the 2016 race and determine whether CROOKED DONALD TRUMP associates conspired with the Russian-backed interference campaign.

“That meeting — and what happened at that meeting — is of significance to the special counsel,” he said pointedly.

It was at that meeting that prosecutors believe Manafort and Kilimnik may have exchanged key information relevant to Russia and CROOKED DONALD TRUMP'S presidential bid. The encounter goes “very much to the heart of what the special counsel’s office is investigating,” prosecutor Andrew Weissmann told a federal judge in a sealed hearing last week.

One subject the men discussed was a proposed resolution to the conflict over Ukraine, an issue of great interest to the Russian government, according to a partially redacted transcript of the Feb. 4 hearing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a5b113ecd3c_story.html?utm_term=.8a8e925c8a65

During the hearing, the judge also appeared to allude to another possible interaction at the Havana Room gathering: a handoff by Manafort of internal polling data from Trump’s presidential campaign to his Russian associate.

The new details provide a rare hint at what Mueller is examining in the final stretch of his nearly 21-month-old investigation — and underscore his deep interest in the Grand Havana Room gathering, which ended with the three men leaving through separate doors, as Judge Amy Berman Jackson noted.

 

[Chevy1]

Mueller's investigation is at 2 years this May. Anyone think of there was collusion on the party of Trump it would have (should have) come to light by now. This whole thing is past the point of absurdity. Do I like Donald Trump? Fvck no. Do I think he should be President? Same. Do I think he collided with Russia to win the Presidency? No. He won for a similar reason as Obama - because America is now a Nation of morons. People vote for soundbites, with their "feelings," and not on rationality and principles. The choices for President will only get worse from here on out, alternating between liberal and conservative idiocy, depending on who gets mor: people to the poles in a given cycle. God help this once-great country.

Just look what we've discovered the last two years - some coming in the last few months.

• Trump says his campaign didn't have contact with Russia, and it's discovered they did.
  
• Trump says he had no business dealings with Russia during the campaign....and they did
• The campaign met with Russians to discuss the dirt on Hillary...and then lied about it.
• 17 people in the campaign had contacts with Russians - why would any Presidential campaign require that much contact with Russia?
  
• Several of those people lied about their contact with Russia
  
• The "coincidental" timing of the release of Podesta emails and Trump campaign statements/actions
  
• Finally, the latest Manafort bombshell - his discussions with Russians about lifting sanctions at the same time Russia is assisting Trump's campaign.

Sure, there's no tape of Vlad talking with Trump, but Trump is careful to meet with Vlad with no other Americans around and destroyed the last US interpreter's notes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/politics/trump-putin-meetings.html

Without a smoking gun, it taking time to get the facts nailed down and then released - and there's been no leaks from Mueller.

Hell, the fact Trump says there's been no collusion, increases the odds there has been.

 

[Chevy1]

Yeah, yeah, we get it. As long as Trump is found innocent, then the investigation was flawed.

1. Burr stated the investigation isn't complete - who knows why the guy felt compelled to make a statement.
2. It's not conclusive. He admits the Mueller investigation has more info available - strange he couldn't comment whether the facts from Mueller should be released.

It appears to me he was asked to make a statement to draw down the fire from this Manafort bombshell. Provide some good news for the base - who, after all the lies and BS, still believe him.

 

[ThunderCat98]

2 years, a team of investigators and lawyers, millions of dollars, and this ^^^ is what you've got? Congrats, I guess. Seems like a big f*cking waste of time and money - kind of like investigating who is giving the President a blow job.

 

[extragreen]

kind of like investigating who is giving the President a blow job.

Or benghazi
or emails

 

[ThunderCat98]

Or benghazi
or emails

Remind me again - who were the special counsels assigned to those investigations?

 

[extragreen]

Remind me again - who were the special counsels assigned to those investigations?

Remind me again. # of indictments

 

[ThunderCat98]

Remind me again. # of indictments

Don't get mad sweetheart. You're the one making apples to asparagus comparisons.

 

[extragreen]

Don't get mad sweetheart. You're the one making apples to asparagus comparisons.

How many indictments? I didn't see a answer to that question, maybe something wrong with my computer screen.

 

[i am herdman]

Don't get mad sweetheart. You're the one making apples to asparagus comparisons.

he's good at that

 

[ThunderCat98]

How many indictments? I didn't see a answer to that question, maybe something wrong with my computer screen.

You mean for actual Russian collusion or treason, against the target of the investigation? You know, the President? I can't think of one.

 

[extragreen]

You mean for actual Russian collusion or treason, against the target of the investigation? You know, the President? I can't think of one.

How many indictments? I didn't see a answer to that question. Doggone blank spaces on my screen.

 

[ThunderCat98]

I asked you first, xenu. Who were the special counsel?

 

[extragreen]

I asked you first, xenu. Who were the special counsel?

Indictments?...

 

[Chevy1]

2 years, a team of investigators and lawyers, millions of dollars, and this ^^^ is what you've got? Congrats, I guess. Seems like a big f*cking waste of time and money - kind of like investigating who is giving the President a blow job.

It's impossible to conclude this has been a waste of time.

I understand you believe this is simply going to create MORE division....MORE chaos; I can see that point of view. But should we tolerate Presidential candidates who enlist this kind of assistance? Deciding what forms of treason will be tolerated is a pretty slippery slope.

As for the "waste of money" - it appears that may not be the case:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/17/mueller-probe-could-turn-a-profit-thanks-to-manafort-assets.html