How much time will the Doc jock sniffers give Huff to rebuild the program, before declaring....

[raleighherdfan]

those of us that wanted change, were wrong????

Before you answer, lets remind the board of the narrative of decade past..... "Young team...young team...young team", "Needs (at least) 5 years to get his guys in", "Great recruiters need time".... etc. etc.

Go.

 

[jete2]

those of us that wanted change, were wrong????

Before you answer, lets remind the board of the narrative of decade past..... "Young team...young team...young team", "Needs (at least) 5 years to get his guys in", "Great recruiters need time".... etc. etc.

Go.

Quite frankly...who cares? Can we just move on and celebrate this new hire and have great conversation and speculation in regard to who Coach Huff will bring in as his coordinators and position coaches.

 

[marshallsig]

Quite frankly...who cares? Can we just move on and celebrate this new hire and have great conversation and speculation in regard to who Coach Huff will bring in as his coordinators and position coaches.

Well said.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

My hope? He gives us 2 awesome seasons, gets plucked, we get the buyout & find another great hire w/ zero Marshall connections.....

 

[RhinoD]

those of us that wanted change, were wrong????

Before you answer, lets remind the board of the narrative of decade past..... "Young team...young team...young team", "Needs (at least) 5 years to get his guys in", "Great recruiters need time".... etc. etc.

Go.

That's the thing, he doesn't need to completely rebuild.

I was the first guy to say the comments you pointed out above when Doc was in his early years. We had just gotten off probation and Snyder didn't exactly leave the cupboard full of talent. It was going to take time to go from being a bad team to being a consistent winner. Doc got us that far, but couldn't take us any farther.

The key for Huff is going to be what do we look like out of the gate... We play in the worst conference in the country. We have as much or more talent than anyone in our league. The non-conference schedule isn't exactly murderers row next year. Assuming COVID is no longer a detriment and we play a full 12 game slate, as scheduled, I would imagine MU will be favored in at least 8-9 of those games.

Huff wasn't brought here to rebuild. MU could have a winning record next year with my mom coaching... He was brought here to get us from "Well, we made a bowl game" to "CUSA Champions." I'm certain he is aware of that.

 

[Catfanatic1979v1]

Huff is going to be solid. I'm willing to be easy on year 1 due to key kids going pro or leaving but I think after that he takes off like a rocket. I expect him to be here 4 years and then move on to a bigger school. If we keep him longer than that, I'll feel blessed.

 

[raleighherdfan]

We had just gotten off probation and Snyder didn't exactly leave the cupboard full of talent.

Wrong. Marshall had been off probation for 4 years when Snyder left. Debating past talent at this point probably not worth the time other than to say, Snyder had far more NFL talent potential on his teams.

I see the current team Huff is inheriting, having far more issues needing corrected. I am excited to see how his energy and apparent ability to actually coach players turns out.

 

[19MU88]

Wrong. Marshall had been off probation for 4 years when Snyder left. Debating past talent at this point probably not worth the time other than to say, Snyder had far more NFL talent potential on his teams.

I see the current team Huff is inheriting, having far more issues needing corrected. I am excited to see how his energy and apparent ability to actually coach players turns out.

Huff is walking into an easier conference than Doc or Snyder walked in to. Bring in some players, change the culture and win. I don't see a rebuild situation here unless he makes it one.

 

[joshwil3]

I like the pick, but i dont expect success on year 1. I like the firery attitude he exhibits on the sideline. We've needed a coach like that. I expect to contend next year. And i'd like to see what transfers he can attract, what recruits he can bring, and what kind of halftime adjustments can be made. Not one game comes to mind where out of the gate we were a different team after halftime. I think his personality could get us there.

 

[herdalicious]

I feel like you could have gone with "Doc Sniffers" and most people would have gotten it.

 

[RhinoD]

Debating past talent at this point probably not worth the time other than to say, Snyder had far more NFL talent potential on his teams.

This is laughable... Here is the complete list MU players drafted during Snyder's entire tenure as coach from April 2005, to Jan. 2009 (via Pro Football reference).

Ahmad Bradshaw (2007, seventh round)

Even if you give Snyder credit for guys who played for him and got drafted later (the 2010 and 2011 drafts) that only adds one guy.

Lee Smith (2011, fifth round)

The Snyder teams were not good, and ultimately not very talented, in a better version of CUSA... Now we play in a garbage version of CUSA and have more talent. Huff's job is not to rebuild. It's to win the league and contend among the best G5 programs.

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

I feel like you could have gone with "Doc Sniffers" and most people would have gotten it.

We prefer Shewey Suckers to remain coach agnostic.

 

[herdalicious]

We prefer Shewey Suckers to remain coach agnostic.

Joan Strokers.

 

[raleighherdfan]

This is laughable... Here is the complete list MU players drafted during Snyder's entire tenure as coach from April 2005, to Jan. 2009 (via Pro Football reference).

Ahmad Bradshaw (2007, seventh round)

Even if you give Snyder credit for guys who played for him and got drafted later (the 2010 and 2011 drafts) that only adds one guy.

Lee Smith (2011, fifth round)

The Snyder teams were not good, and ultimately not very talented, in a better version of CUSA... Now we play in a garbage version of CUSA and have more talent. Huff's job is not to rebuild. It's to win the league and contend among the best G5 programs.

"drafted" isn't the same as NFL talent or those ending up in the league as I stated.

I believe the point was made here by someone before that Doc has as many former players in Fed prison as Snyd had players in the NFL. It's probably accurate.

Snyds teams were not "good" because 1. He couldn't develop or coach the players he brought in & 2. The schedule he faced upon taking the job would have most likely ended Docs tenure long before year 10.

Glad we cleared up your "probation" assertion too. Please continue.

 

[19MU88]

This is laughable... Here is the complete list MU players drafted during Snyder's entire tenure as coach from April 2005, to Jan. 2009 (via Pro Football reference).

Ahmad Bradshaw (2007, seventh round)

Even if you give Snyder credit for guys who played for him and got drafted later (the 2010 and 2011 drafts) that only adds one guy.

Lee Smith (2011, fifth round)

The Snyder teams were not good, and ultimately not very talented, in a better version of CUSA... Now we play in a garbage version of CUSA and have more talent. Huff's job is not to rebuild. It's to win the league and contend among the best G5 programs.

except you left out any that graduated after he left like Vinny Curry and Aaron Dobson. several of his D linemen ended up in camps/rosters and Mario Harvey was on roster for a while.

 

[sportsphantom1]

Snyder did face a tougher schedule but he was still not a very good coach. As far as the talent he brought in, he brought in some but not a lot. Bradshaw has been mentioned but even he was a Pruett recruit.

As far as probation I have mentioned this several times in several threads. The scholarship reductions occurred in the 2002, 2003 and 2004 seasons, all under Pruett. When Snyder took over he didnt have a single year where he was under scholarship limitations. Pruett served that, not Snyder.

 

[RhinoD]

"drafted" isn't the same as NFL talent or those ending up in the league as I stated.

In 2019 alone, MU had seven players sign UDFA deals or accept training camp invites.
Last year, MU had two players drafted and two more sign as UDFAs or be training camp invites.
Go back to 2018, five MU players signed as UDFAs or accepted training camp invites.

If the criteria is simply being able to get into an NFL camp, we have had a lot of guys do that in the last three years (and many more if you care to research further back in time under Doc). If the criteria is being drafted, we had more last season than any season under Snyder.

The rose colored glasses of nostalgia that Snyder's teams were somehow pushing out NFL talent while winning 4-5 games a year, even in a better version of CUSA, is not correct.

 

[elginherd]

I'm, for one, giving Coach Huff a pass until 9/5/2021 to rebuild the program😁

 

[muthed]

I'm, for one, giving Coach Huff a pass until 9/5/2021 to rebuild the program😁

Generous, aren't you?

 

[Crush Nasty]

"drafted" isn't the same as NFL talent or those ending up in the league as I stated.

I believe the point was made here by someone before that Doc has as many former players in Fed prison as Snyd had players in the NFL. It's probably accurate.

Snyds teams were not "good" because 1. He couldn't develop or coach the players he brought in & 2. The schedule he faced upon taking the job would have most likely ended Docs tenure long before year 10.

Glad we cleared up your "probation" assertion too. Please continue.

No he was right... the list of talent under Snyder was a joke