I Owe Everybody an Apology

[riflearm2]

For decades, I have railed against you west virginians for your lack of reading comprehension. For decades, I have railed against you all for your inability to follow an argument/discussion and support your stance with relevant information. For many years, I have railed against Banker for his constant math errors. And I wasn't empathetic to care enough about why you all are morons.

Well, thankfully, a recent analysis did care, and they looked at 32 different metrics for public education in each state. Those metrics were wide-ranging and looked at everything from standardized test scores, to peer-to-pupil numbers, to dropout rates, to licensed teacher numbers, to school safety, and many more.

What it showed is that all of you morons should not blame yourselves. You had awful education your entire life, so nobody should expect you all to be anything less than awful when it comes to intelligence.

Let's look at how wv measures up:

math test scores: 49th
reading test scores: 50th
median SAT scores: 49th
bullying incidence rate: 47th (so much for those great people in the state, huh?)

I'm sorry for mocking you all for so long for being morons. It really isn't your fault. I should realize that I was given a huge advantage over you all due to NY having one of the top public education systems in the country.

States With the Best & Worst School Systems in 2024

States With the Best & Worst School Systems in 2024

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[Jartard]

For decades, I have railed against you west virginians for your lack of reading comprehension. For decades, I have railed against you all for your inability to follow an argument/discussion and support your stance with relevant information. For many years, I have railed against Banker for his constant math errors. And I wasn't empathetic to care enough about why you all are morons.

Well, thankfully, a recent analysis did care, and they looked at 32 different metrics for public education in each state. Those metrics were wide-ranging and looked at everything from standardized test scores, to peer-to-pupil numbers, to dropout rates, to licensed teacher numbers, to school safety, and many more.

What it showed is that all of you morons should not blame yourselves. You had awful education your entire life, so nobody should expect you all to be anything less than awful when it comes to intelligence.

Let's look at how wv measures up:

math test scores: 49th
reading test scores: 50th
median SAT scores: 49th
bullying incidence rate: 47th (so much for those great people in the state, huh?)

I'm sorry for mocking you all for so long for being morons. It really isn't your fault. I should realize that I was given a huge advantage over you all due to NY having one of the top public education systems in the country.

States With the Best & Worst School Systems in 2024

States With the Best & Worst School Systems in 2024

wallethub.com

I’ll dumb it down for you. If you take out the scores from those knuckle draggers such as ET’s dumbass, those scores would be much different. Look no further than his inability to form multiple responses by having to use the same response over and over.

 

[WV-FAN]

Not an excuse, but the biggest problem with the education system in the state of WV is the parents don't give a shit. It's not that the education system is horrible, it's more that there's a higher percentage of parents in WV that place a little to no emphasis on education. If the results of the study applied to all students, there's no way in hell my wife and I would be where we are today with the horrible education that we would have received.

Impossible, but show me a study comparing the top 5%, 10%, 40% of scores of all students and the results are likely extremely different.

This correlates to what Jartard says of his post. Get rid of the ruhtards and knuckle draggers test scores and no way WV ranks that low.

 

[i am herdman]

Thanks to decades of Democrat rule and strong teachers unions, we are 49th!

 

[greengeezer]

Only 47 in bullying? We need to toughen up. Seriously, I remember my first year in high school and the bully in my English class, who was older and much bigger because he failed two years, decided he wanted to slap me around. I gave him no reason, it was the luck of the draw.

Early one morning, our teacher was late, and the bully announced to the class I was toast and slapped me in the face. I stabbed him in the arm with my newly sharpened pencil ( mainly a reflex action from being hit). and he ran from the classroom screaming. Once word got out, it ended anymore problems for me.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Not an excuse, but the biggest problem with the education system in the state of WV is the parents don't give a shit. It's not that the education system is horrible, it's more that there's a higher percentage of parents in WV that place a little to no emphasis on education. If the results of the study applied to all students, there's no way in hell my wife and I would be where we are today with the horrible education that we would have received.

Impossible, but show me a study comparing the top 5%, 10%, 40% of scores of all students and the results are likely extremely different.

This correlates to what Jartard says of his post. Get rid of the ruhtards and knuckle draggers test scores and no way WV ranks that low.

Nailed it! This. When mommy is strung out on meth and dad in jail, it's hard for junior to be motivated. WV is first in grandparents raising their grandkids, 2nd in foster kids in the system. Reportedly has one of the largest pediatric and teen homeless populations. Yeah, it's the system. Look deeper folks. Can't tell you the number of times my wife had to call parents, only to find they weren't around or didn't care. Most never darkened the doors of the school for parent teacher meetings. Many time she had to call parents in jail or had parents call her from jail. Truth.

 

[greengeezer]

Thanks to decades of Democrat rule and strong teachers unions, we are 49th!

Teachers’ unions are not all bad. They have brought about many positive changes. In WV, before the unions, it was “the good ole boy” system. If you had been teaching for twenty years, but the superintendent’s daughter, who just graduated from Concord and needed a job, there was nothing to stop the superintendent from replacing you with his newly graduated daughter.

If a principal wanted to stick 50 kids in a class, nothing stopped him. If you taught all day with no lunch, that was acceptable. Unfortunately, some educational unions became drunk on the power and became more of a hindrance that an asset.

 

[MStap]

It is interesting to see WV has the lowest dropout rate in the country. Can’t help the rankings when we are holding onto more of the poorest performing students (which morally is way more important than any of these rankings).

 

[greengeezer]

It is interesting to see WV has the lowest dropout rate in the country.

I read a recent article that theorized that free lunch and breakfast were factors that kept poor kids in WV in school. Those meals were often the only decent food that some students were getting on a daily basis.

 

[19MU88]

For decades, I have railed against you west virginians for your lack of reading comprehension. For decades, I have railed against you all for your inability to follow an argument/discussion and support your stance with relevant information. For many years, I have railed against Banker for his constant math errors. And I wasn't empathetic to care enough about why you all are morons.

Well, thankfully, a recent analysis did care, and they looked at 32 different metrics for public education in each state. Those metrics were wide-ranging and looked at everything from standardized test scores, to peer-to-pupil numbers, to dropout rates, to licensed teacher numbers, to school safety, and many more.

What it showed is that all of you morons should not blame yourselves. You had awful education your entire life, so nobody should expect you all to be anything less than awful when it comes to intelligence.

Let's look at how wv measures up:

math test scores: 49th
reading test scores: 50th
median SAT scores: 49th
bullying incidence rate: 47th (so much for those great people in the state, huh?)

I'm sorry for mocking you all for so long for being morons. It really isn't your fault. I should realize that I was given a huge advantage over you all due to NY having one of the top public education systems in the country.

States With the Best & Worst School Systems in 2024

States With the Best & Worst School Systems in 2024

wallethub.com

yet this moron came to wv to for the public education and that's where he completed his higher education. what a stooge.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

I read a recent article that theorized that free lunch and breakfast were factors that kept poor kids in WV in school. Those meals were often the only decent food that some students were getting on a daily basis.

Yep. My wife and I used to buy food for her kids. She would give each a snack in the afternoon and then some apples, etc. to take home on the weekends. People are clueless if they haven't spent time in a classroom. A hell of lot different than 20-30 years ago. Add to that, the issues with education start at the top, on the Fed. and state, county levels. The classroom teachers are just pawns and do the best with what they are given.

 

[i am herdman]

It is interesting to see WV has the lowest dropout rate in the country. Can’t help the rankings when we are holding onto more of the poorest performing students (which morally is way more important than any of these rankings).

WV has lost two generations of some of its best and brightest people. That is hard to overcome. It has gone on for 40 years now.

Lesson to the blue states and in particular the big cities: That is happening to you all now.

 

[i am herdman]

yet this moron came to wv to for the public education and that's where he completed his higher education. what a stooge.

What is that all about!

 

[i am herdman]

Teachers’ unions are not all bad. They have brought about many positive changes. In WV, before the unions, it was “the good ole boy” system. If you had been teaching for twenty years, but the superintendent’s daughter, who just graduated from Concord and needed a job, there was nothing to stop the superintendent from replacing you with his newly graduated daughter.

If a principal wanted to stick 50 kids in a class, nothing stopped him. If you taught all day with no lunch, that was acceptable. Unfortunately, some educational unions became drunk on the power and became more of a hindrance that an asset.

Maybe but, they also stop competition. You don't interview or compete for jobs. They don't want accountability for performance. Then, look at the rot gut at some of the big teacher's unions. That one that has that crazy woman as the head of it. They want to teach all of that trannie stuff and whacked out stuff.

The problem with unions is they teach complacency and lack of competition.

The best thing for the country would be for the govt to get out of the education business.

 

[greengeezer]

The best thing for the country would be for the govt to get out of the education business.

Not sure that is possible. There has to be someone to fund staffing and infrastructure. Few parents can afford to pay thousands in tuition costs.

 

[i am herdman]

Not sure that is possible. There has to be someone to fund staffing and infrastructure. Few parents can afford to pay thousands in tuition costs.

When the govt builds a road or a dam they don't do the work. They hire contractors. You take the money they are wasting and using now and you hire someone to do it. You also have them compete and it gets better.

The problem in govt now is there is no accountability and it is heavy on red tape. Just like the Soviet Union became and it collapsed.

 

[greengeezer]

When the govt builds a road or a dam they don't do the work. They hire contractors. You take the money they are wasting and using now and you hire someone to do it. You also have them compete and it gets better.

The problem in govt now is there is no accountability and it is heavy on red tape. Just like the Soviet Union became and it collapsed.

This has been tried with prisons and some schools with mixed success. I agree with you that government is most often incapable of becoming a self serving , bloated institution, but private companies often don’t fare much better. They need to maximize profit which often leads to corruption.

 

[Herdguy04]

Nailed it! This. When mommy is strung out on meth and dad in jail, it's hard for junior to be motivated. WV is first in grandparents raising their grandkids, 2nd in foster kids in the system. Reportedly has one of the largest pediatric and teen homeless populations. Yeah, it's the system. Look deeper folks. Can't tell you the number of times my wife had to call parents, only to find they weren't around or didn't care. Most never darkened the doors of the school for parent teacher meetings. Many time she had to call parents in jail or had parents call her from jail. Truth.

It's not just that...

WV has never really needed to emphasize higher education since the majority of its population were coal miners and industry/factory workers. The women were mainly teachers and nurses with a small percentage doing everything else, law, admin, etc.
As long as you could write your name on the line for your contract, that's all you needed.

The bragging about working such a dangerous job, was a dinner bell for Big Pharma who set up shop and were just waiting for the first string of work related injuries, with docs given lectures of guilt that their patients were in more pain than they knew, and prescribing an insane dose of opioids, got the population addicted and out of work since the industry began dying and if you got hurt, next miner up.
It's no shocker the Mylan is in the north and it's trickled down to the southern part as bad as it has.

Now, with the political divide going into education with what can/can't be taught and higher learning being more of a joke than a benefit, in a very easily swayed state like WV, it's no shocker education has taken a hit...what, TWO teacher strikes with the majority of parents being mad the teachers weren't being, what amounts to a day care for their kids so they can lounge around at home on FB?@

It sucks seeing kids with such potential, wasted.

 

[Herdguy04]

Yep. My wife and I used to buy food for her kids. She would give each a snack in the afternoon and then some apples, etc. to take home on the weekends. People are clueless if they haven't spent time in a classroom. A hell of lot different than 20-30 years ago. Add to that, the issues with education start at the top, on the Fed. and state, county levels. The classroom teachers are just pawns and do the best with what they are given.

Some schools have lunch bags for kids, so they'll be able to eat over the weekend.

Also clothes and basic hygienic items.

I think one school has a laundry room for the students as well?

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Some schools have lunch bags for kids, so they'll be able to eat over the weekend.

Also clothes and basic hygienic items.

I think one school has a laundry room for the students as well?

Yep. They provide summer meals as well - because mom and dad are lazy shits who would rather shoot up, get drunk or do anything else besides take responsibility for their kids.

 

[riflearm2]

I’ll dumb it down for you. If you take out the scores from those knuckle draggers such as ET’s dumbass, those scores would be much different. Look no further than his inability to form multiple responses by having to use the same response over and over.

Proof that 1) This guy is west virginian public school lifelong educated and 2) this ranking isn't just due to bad parenting, but rather, poor education being taught.

Not an excuse, but the biggest problem with the education system in the state of WV is the parents don't give a shit.

And bad teachers, bad funding, bad resources, immoral people.

If the results of the study applied to all students, there's no way in hell my wife and I would be where we are today with the horrible education that we would have received.

Impossible, but show me a study comparing the top 5%, 10%, 40% of scores of all students and the results are likely extremely different.

I disagree. Look at what Marshall is doing - they are dumbing down their application process to recruit more substandard high school students. What will that do? In order to keep those tuition dollars coming in, Marshall will have to dumb down their requirements even more to accommodate the lack of intelligence and work ethic that those new students are used to performing. That will slow the educational process of the students who actually do belong on campus.

That same situation has happened in wv for decades. In order to keep kids in high school and graduate them, requirements and material have to be dumbed down for the masses, which in turn, slows the achievement of the top students.

The same phenomenon is seen in wv high school athletics before they have to compete against other states.

To summarize, yes, you and your wife are near the top of the retards (I hate that word but using it for effect).

It is interesting to see WV has the lowest dropout rate in the country. Can’t help the rankings when we are holding onto more of the poorest performing students (which morally is way more important than any of these rankings).

It actually does help the rankings since that metric was part of it.

Lesson to the blue states and in particular the big cities: That is happening to you all now.

Ha, no, it definitely is not.

yet this moron came to wv to for the public education and that's where he completed his higher education. what a stooge.

It takes an out-of-stater to dumb this down for you: By the time somebody goes to college, their lot in life is almost always set. A moron isn't suddenly going to become educated and successful while in college. That recipe has already been cooked many years earlier. I could have gone to a horrible academic college like Marshall or a top academic school and still been a multi-millionaire. It was baked in my habits and success many, many years earlier. Likewise, a moron like you had no chance by the time you got to Marshall. Your best hope was to stay in that area, be an average fish in a muddy, incest-filled small pond, and survive. And that's not a knock on you. You probably came close to maximizing your potential based on the west virginia lifelong education that you received.

Oh, and I didn't complete my higher education there. I have two more advanced degrees from elsewhere.

What I am seeing is a whole lot of varying excuses on here: parents, teacher union, drugs, employment in the state, a flawed analysis, but I am not seeing one thing- you all acknowledging that you're part of the problem! You morons, instead of facing reality about being a bunch of morons, are doing nothing but placing blame! This is the single biggest problem in west virginia. Instead of just getting done what needs to be done, you want to sit and point fingers, make excuses, and blame everybody else except the person in the mirror. There is no self-accountability. Hell, look at the spouses of teachers in here. They want to blame the parents instead of accepting that they get as many waking hours with those kids as their parents do.

 

[WV-FAN]

Proof that 1) This guy is west virginian public school lifelong educated and 2) this ranking isn't just due to bad parenting, but rather, poor education being taught.


And bad teachers, bad funding, bad resources, immoral people.



I disagree. Look at what Marshall is doing - they are dumbing down their application process to recruit more substandard high school students. What will that do? In order to keep those tuition dollars coming in, Marshall will have to dumb down their requirements even more to accommodate the lack of intelligence and work ethic that those new students are used to performing. That will slow the educational process of the students who actually do belong on campus.

That same situation has happened in wv for decades. In order to keep kids in high school and graduate them, requirements and material have to be dumbed down for the masses, which in turn, slows the achievement of the top students.

The same phenomenon is seen in wv high school athletics before they have to compete against other states.

To summarize, yes, you and your wife are near the top of the retards (I hate that word but using it for effect).


It actually does help the rankings since that metric was part of it.


Ha, no, it definitely is not.


It takes an out-of-stater to dumb this down for you: By the time somebody goes to college, their lot in life is almost always set. A moron isn't suddenly going to become educated and successful while in college. That recipe has already been cooked many years earlier. I could have gone to a horrible academic college like Marshall or a top academic school and still been a multi-millionaire. It was baked in my habits and success many, many years earlier. Likewise, a moron like you had no chance by the time you got to Marshall. Your best hope was to stay in that area, be an average fish in a muddy, incest-filled small pond, and survive. And that's not a knock on you. You probably came close to maximizing your potential based on the west virginia lifelong education that you received.

Oh, and I didn't complete my higher education there. I have two more advanced degrees from elsewhere.

What I am seeing is a whole lot of varying excuses on here: parents, teacher union, drugs, employment in the state, a flawed analysis, but I am not seeing one thing- you all acknowledging that you're part of the problem! You morons, instead of facing reality about being a bunch of morons, are doing nothing but placing blame! This is the single biggest problem in west virginia. Instead of just getting done what needs to be done, you want to sit and point fingers, make excuses, and blame everybody else except the person in the mirror. There is no self-accountability. Hell, look at the spouses of teachers in here. They want to blame the parents instead of accepting that they get as many waking hours with those kids as their parents do.

read enough to understand yore either still in troll mode or just an ignorant outsider with no clue and nothing more than sheer will to make yoreself appear intelligent by degrading others. either way, there's no point in attempting an objective conversation.

 

[riflearm2]

read enough to understand yore either still in troll mode or just an ignorant outsider with no clue and nothing more than sheer will to make yoreself appear intelligent by degrading others. either way, there's no point in attempting an objective conversation.

When somebody is so far removed from reality that they think that the top 10% and 40% of west virginia student scores measures up to the top 10% and 40% of student scores from top states, then you're right - there is no point in an objective conversation. west virginia isn't being weighed down by your bottom feeders. Your state's elites also don't measure up to the elites from other states. And, again, that isn't a knock. How could you expect them to measure up at the top level when their growth acceleration has been stunted by the slowness of the masses in your state?

There is a reason why J.R. House switched high schools every spring and went to Florida. It's the same situation academically.

 

[Jartard]

Proof that 1) This guy is west virginian public school lifelong educated and 2) this ranking isn't just due to bad parenting, but rather, poor education being taught.


And bad teachers, bad funding, bad resources, immoral people.



I disagree. Look at what Marshall is doing - they are dumbing down their application process to recruit more substandard high school students. What will that do? In order to keep those tuition dollars coming in, Marshall will have to dumb down their requirements even more to accommodate the lack of intelligence and work ethic that those new students are used to performing. That will slow the educational process of the students who actually do belong on campus.

That same situation has happened in wv for decades. In order to keep kids in high school and graduate them, requirements and material have to be dumbed down for the masses, which in turn, slows the achievement of the top students.

The same phenomenon is seen in wv high school athletics before they have to compete against other states.

To summarize, yes, you and your wife are near the top of the retards (I hate that word but using it for effect).


It actually does help the rankings since that metric was part of it.


Ha, no, it definitely is not.


It takes an out-of-stater to dumb this down for you: By the time somebody goes to college, their lot in life is almost always set. A moron isn't suddenly going to become educated and successful while in college. That recipe has already been cooked many years earlier. I could have gone to a horrible academic college like Marshall or a top academic school and still been a multi-millionaire. It was baked in my habits and success many, many years earlier. Likewise, a moron like you had no chance by the time you got to Marshall. Your best hope was to stay in that area, be an average fish in a muddy, incest-filled small pond, and survive. And that's not a knock on you. You probably came close to maximizing your potential based on the west virginia lifelong education that you received.

Oh, and I didn't complete my higher education there. I have two more advanced degrees from elsewhere.

What I am seeing is a whole lot of varying excuses on here: parents, teacher union, drugs, employment in the state, a flawed analysis, but I am not seeing one thing- you all acknowledging that you're part of the problem! You morons, instead of facing reality about being a bunch of morons, are doing nothing but placing blame! This is the single biggest problem in west virginia. Instead of just getting done what needs to be done, you want to sit and point fingers, make excuses, and blame everybody else except the person in the mirror. There is no self-accountability. Hell, look at the spouses of teachers in here. They want to blame the parents instead of accepting that they get as many waking hours with those kids as their parents do.

Bee-ach I’ve corrected numerous spelling errors from your hillbilly NY educated ass.

 

[riflearm2]

Bee-ach I’ve corrected numerous spelling errors from your hillbilly NY educated ass.

I wasn't calling out a spelling error. I was pointing out your lack of logic as the substance of your post. The fact that you thought I was pointing out a spelling error yet you didn't even know what it was is further proof for my comment.

 

[WV-FAN]

When somebody is so far removed from reality that they think that the top 10% and 40% of west virginia student scores measures up to the top 10% and 40% of student scores from top states, then you're right - there is no point in an objective conversation. west virginia isn't being weighed down by your bottom feeders. Your state's elites also don't measure up to the elites from other states. And, again, that isn't a knock. How could you expect them to measure up at the top level when their growth acceleration has been stunted by the slowness of the masses in your state?

There is a reason why J.R. House switched high schools every spring and went to Florida. It's the same situation academically.

i didn't say in comparison to "top states", moron. reading comprehension, mr. highly educated, try it. until you can show data to prove yore claim that WV top student's doesn't measure up to other states, which isn't likely, yore argument holds as much water as a sieve.

additionally, it's no secret that WV is at the bottom in income per capita and if you don't think there's a direct correlation between income and education, you have zero business entering any conversation on education.

 

[Jartard]

I wasn't calling out a spelling error. I was pointing out your lack of logic as the substance of your post. The fact that you thought I was pointing out a spelling error yet you didn't even know what it was is further proof for my comment.

Fvcktard, do you not realize that spelling is something that is primarily tested in elementary school? It kinda goes hand in hand with education.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Proof that 1) This guy is west virginian public school lifelong educated and 2) this ranking isn't just due to bad parenting, but rather, poor education being taught.


And bad teachers, bad funding, bad resources, immoral people.



I disagree. Look at what Marshall is doing - they are dumbing down their application process to recruit more substandard high school students. What will that do? In order to keep those tuition dollars coming in, Marshall will have to dumb down their requirements even more to accommodate the lack of intelligence and work ethic that those new students are used to performing. That will slow the educational process of the students who actually do belong on campus.

That same situation has happened in wv for decades. In order to keep kids in high school and graduate them, requirements and material have to be dumbed down for the masses, which in turn, slows the achievement of the top students.

The same phenomenon is seen in wv high school athletics before they have to compete against other states.

To summarize, yes, you and your wife are near the top of the retards (I hate that word but using it for effect).


It actually does help the rankings since that metric was part of it.


Ha, no, it definitely is not.


It takes an out-of-stater to dumb this down for you: By the time somebody goes to college, their lot in life is almost always set. A moron isn't suddenly going to become educated and successful while in college. That recipe has already been cooked many years earlier. I could have gone to a horrible academic college like Marshall or a top academic school and still been a multi-millionaire. It was baked in my habits and success many, many years earlier. Likewise, a moron like you had no chance by the time you got to Marshall. Your best hope was to stay in that area, be an average fish in a muddy, incest-filled small pond, and survive. And that's not a knock on you. You probably came close to maximizing your potential based on the west virginia lifelong education that you received.

Oh, and I didn't complete my higher education there. I have two more advanced degrees from elsewhere.

What I am seeing is a whole lot of varying excuses on here: parents, teacher union, drugs, employment in the state, a flawed analysis, but I am not seeing one thing- you all acknowledging that you're part of the problem! You morons, instead of facing reality about being a bunch of morons, are doing nothing but placing blame! This is the single biggest problem in west virginia. Instead of just getting done what needs to be done, you want to sit and point fingers, make excuses, and blame everybody else except the person in the mirror. There is no self-accountability. Hell, look at the spouses of teachers in here. They want to blame the parents instead of accepting that they get as many waking hours with those kids as their parents do.

Sorry dude, I enjoy your banter, but you have no idea what you're talking about on this subject.

 

[19MU88]

Proof that 1) This guy is west virginian public school lifelong educated and 2) this ranking isn't just due to bad parenting, but rather, poor education being taught.


And bad teachers, bad funding, bad resources, immoral people.



I disagree. Look at what Marshall is doing - they are dumbing down their application process to recruit more substandard high school students. What will that do? In order to keep those tuition dollars coming in, Marshall will have to dumb down their requirements even more to accommodate the lack of intelligence and work ethic that those new students are used to performing. That will slow the educational process of the students who actually do belong on campus.

That same situation has happened in wv for decades. In order to keep kids in high school and graduate them, requirements and material have to be dumbed down for the masses, which in turn, slows the achievement of the top students.

The same phenomenon is seen in wv high school athletics before they have to compete against other states.

To summarize, yes, you and your wife are near the top of the retards (I hate that word but using it for effect).


It actually does help the rankings since that metric was part of it.


Ha, no, it definitely is not.


It takes an out-of-stater to dumb this down for you: By the time somebody goes to college, their lot in life is almost always set. A moron isn't suddenly going to become educated and successful while in college. That recipe has already been cooked many years earlier. I could have gone to a horrible academic college like Marshall or a top academic school and still been a multi-millionaire. It was baked in my habits and success many, many years earlier. Likewise, a moron like you had no chance by the time you got to Marshall. Your best hope was to stay in that area, be an average fish in a muddy, incest-filled small pond, and survive. And that's not a knock on you. You probably came close to maximizing your potential based on the west virginia lifelong education that you received.

Oh, and I didn't complete my higher education there. I have two more advanced degrees from elsewhere.

What I am seeing is a whole lot of varying excuses on here: parents, teacher union, drugs, employment in the state, a flawed analysis, but I am not seeing one thing- you all acknowledging that you're part of the problem! You morons, instead of facing reality about being a bunch of morons, are doing nothing but placing blame! This is the single biggest problem in west virginia. Instead of just getting done what needs to be done, you want to sit and point fingers, make excuses, and blame everybody else except the person in the mirror. There is no self-accountability. Hell, look at the spouses of teachers in here. They want to blame the parents instead of accepting that they get as many waking hours with those kids as their parents do.

You are a pathetic balding middle aged man seeking/trolling for attention while trying to impress strangers on an obscure message board with your pathetic boasts. It's resulted in you being the board stooge. Congratulations

 

[GeauxHerd]

Not an excuse, but the biggest problem with the education system in the state of WV is the parents don't give a shit. It's not that the education system is horrible, it's more that there's a higher percentage of parents in WV that place a little to no emphasis on education. If the results of the study applied to all students, there's no way in hell my wife and I would be where we are today with the horrible education that we would have received.

Impossible, but show me a study comparing the top 5%, 10%, 40% of scores of all students and the results are likely extremely different.

This correlates to what Jartard says of his post. Get rid of the ruhtards and knuckle draggers test scores and no way WV ranks that low.

How’s everything out on the hill in cabins, WV @WV-FAN ?

 

[WV-FAN]

How’s everything out on the hill in cabins, WV @WV-FAN ?

awwww, sheeeit, do i have another package coming?

 

[MStap]

It actually does help the rankings since that metric was part of it.

While it does help in the sense that drop out rate is 1 of the 32 metrics, that same metric also drags down a lot of the academic metrics like math test scores, reading test scores, SAT scores, and ACT scores. These metrics were given the same weight, so while WV received a boost from the drop out rate it probably took a much harder overall hit on all the other metrics that the drop out rate lowered.

 

[Rock98Dog]

At least we can define what a woman is.

 

[GeauxHerd]

awwww, sheeeit, do i have another package coming?

What me? I just care about your well being.

 

[ThunderCat98]

Thanks to decades of Democrat rule and strong teachers unions, we are 49th!

Accurate^^^

The BOE is often one of, if not "the," largest employer in rural counties.

 

[riflearm2]

Sorry dude, I enjoy your banter, but you have no idea what you're talking about on this subject.

But I do. I've dealt with west virginia losers for four years in person, 23 years on here, and ever since I started having to pay taxes considering the state's citizens are takers far more than givers.

west virginia's horrendous education system is not due to a lack of parental care or involvement. If that were the cause of it, DC public schools would rank far worse. But they don't. DC public schools are ranked far higher than wv's. That's atrocious.

i didn't say in comparison to "top states", moron. reading comprehension, mr. highly educated, try it. until you can show data to prove yore claim that WV top student's doesn't measure up to other states, which isn't likely, yore argument holds as much water as a sieve.

Your argument is that the results would be "extremely different." So it's reasonable to think that if the results were just "different" instead of "extremely different," than wvu would be able to measure up to the states in the middle (average performers in this ranking). But since your claim is "extremely different," it's reasonable to think it wouldn't just slightly improve, but rather, it would radically improve, thus being able to measure up to the top states in this ranking.

additionally, it's no secret that WV is at the bottom in income per capita and if you don't think there's a direct correlation between income and education, you have zero business entering any conversation on education.

Not only was that not looked at in this ranking, but what does it have to do with my apology in this thread, which was based not on income level but was based on the lack of intelligence of west virginians?

You are a pathetic balding middle aged man seeking/trolling for attention while trying to impress strangers on an obscure message board with your pathetic boasts. It's resulted in you being the board stooge. Congratulations

Somebody is upset that they maxed their potential and still were below average all life.

While it does help in the sense that drop out rate is 1 of the 32 metrics, that same metric also drags down a lot of the academic metrics like math test scores, reading test scores, SAT scores, and ACT scores. These metrics were given the same weight, so while WV received a boost from the drop out rate it probably took a much harder overall hit on all the other metrics that the drop out rate lowered.

You're basing that on the assumption that those who drop out of school are the worst performers. In west virginia, I bet a significant number are kids who have to get a job to help pay the family bills and girls who got knocked up by their family members.

Just as damaging to your argument is that other metrics this study looked at included safety, bullying, and class size. If you are going to assume that those who drop out are poor performers, it is fair to assume that they also tend to be the ones involved in disciplinary/safety issues, tend to the bully or the one being bullied, and help improve the class size number. So being able to retain the shortest midget among students doesn't negatively impact you in the other metrics more than it helps you.

 

[Mr sistersville]

Rifle you came to wv for an education

 

[greengeezer]

Most people who come to WV for an education leave dumber than when they arrived.

 

[30CAT]

I Owe Everybody an Apology​

You owe everyone some oxygen.

 

[MStap]

You're basing that on the assumption that those who drop out of school are the worst performers. In west virginia, I bet a significant number are kids who have to get a job to help pay the family bills and girls who got knocked up by their family members.

Just as damaging to your argument is that other metrics this study looked at included safety, bullying, and class size. If you are going to assume that those who drop out are poor performers, it is fair to assume that they also tend to be the ones involved in disciplinary/safety issues, tend to the bully or the one being bullied, and help improve the class size number. So being able to retain the shortest midget among students doesn't negatively impact you in the other metrics more than it helps you.

It is a fair assumption to make and the vast majority of kids I went to school with that dropped out were the bottom level students.

That would be true if all of the metrics had an equal weight, however, the academic metrics carry much more weight than the safety metrics. For example, being bullied was given a weight of 2.22 points and that was the max weight for safety metrics. Metrics regarding student performance/accomplishment were given much more weight such as share of graduates that completed the ACT or SAT having a weight of 7.27. Students barely getting by aren’t taking these tests and bring the average down. This metric alone is nearly as much weight as bullying, student/teacher ratio, and any other safety metric with the highest weight for that category.