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If You Could Do it Again

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If you could do it again, and if money and admissions played no factor, what college other than Marshall would you have chosen to go to?

For the sake of repetitiveness, let's eliminate the Ivy schools, Stanford, and MIT.

  • I would want to go someplace that has FBS football and all of the other major sports. Of those schools, I have been to 85 of them (either playing against them, coaching against them, working a camp, watching a game, looking at facilities/the campus). I've also been to 38 FCS campuses. So I've seen what many of them have to offer.
  • I would want to go somewhere with a big enrollment, at least 20k students. One thing I really didn't like about Marshall was the lack of students. I felt like after year two, I pretty much was familiar with everybody who I would want to know other than a few hot new freshman each year. After school, there just isn't a very good social network for Marshall alums, partly due to its enrollment size.
  • I'd want to go somewhere with a brand name . . . some pride that is easily identifiable instead of answering "where is that?" Usually, the bigger sports schools have that.
  • I'd want to go to a school that isn't in a major metro that plays second-fiddle to everything else going on.
  • I'd want decent weather and easy travel options (meaning a decent airport fairly close).
  • I'd want either fairly strong academics or a school that is big enough that somewhere on campus will be a lot of intelligent students.
  • Someplace with a good social atmosphere, which most big schools with good athletics naturally have. Suitcase schools would be a no.
From playing/coaching on so many campuses, I really appreciate lively schools. Meaning, if you walk in the middle of campus on a Tuesday evening, do you see a lot of people. At Marshall, it wasn't like that. You could walk from Towers through campus to the library at 8 p.m. on a Tuesday, and you may end up passing 10 people. I don't like that. One place that sticks out that was completely opposite of that was Miami of Ohio, which besides having a Hollywood setting campus, also seemed to have students everywhere each time I have been there. I think I really missed out on that being at Marshall.

Knowing those things and having seen their campuses, if I could do it again, these schools would be on my list. The ones in bold would probably make my final list:

Virginia (just over 20k, may be too small for my liking)
Cal (may be too close to major metros, but I liked their campus and the feel)
North Carolina (never been to their campus)
Florida State (may be too far from a major metro)
Colorado
Oklahoma

Oklahoma State
Indiana (never been to their campus)
Nebraska
Oregon (never been to their campus)
Penn State
Michigan
(never been to their campus)
Georgia
Texas A&M
Florida

Kentucky
Alabama
Arkansas (never been to their campus)
 
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Besides the airport that’s basically VT. I mean Roanoke isn’t too far away but you’ll be connecting to fly anywhere good.
 
Besides the airport that’s basically VT. I mean Roanoke isn’t too far away but you’ll be connecting to fly anywhere good.
I may be jaded about Tech from living in DC for 10 years. I had some high school friends who went there, and I dated a couple of girls who went there. It would probably be on my second tier of choices after this first list, but I felt like it was really in the middle of nowhere . . . the same reason why Auburn did't make the first list.

One aspect I didn't mention was familiarity. Each year, about 15 kids from my high school and our former rival high school in the same city went to Penn State. Even if you weren't friends with all 14 others, you would be decent friends with two or three of them. That gives you some familiarity and a good base since they each will have a group of friends on campus. And Penn State is so huge that even with that many kids you know going there from home, it's possible that you never run into them.

Same thing with Maryland- just from my high school and/or close friends from my area over a two year span, Maryland had two lacrosse players, a baseball player, a cheerleader, a diver, and a football player, plus a few who were just regular students. They all knew each other (some were good friends), so they had a built-in group already. I am still good friends with a couple of them, so the networking they had there with so many athletes who knew each other from day one, the future NBA/NFL/Olympians there, and the stories they have are great. I just never liked that campus, that town, nor being so close to DC and Baltimore.

South Carolina would be #1.

Ole Miss #2, Tennessee #3

All options I would consider. I felt like I had too many SEC schools listed already. All good weather, strong enrollment, strong brand name/athletics, fairly close to a metro area. I haven't heard great things about Columbia, which could be an issue, but with that size of enrollment, it really wouldn't matter.
 
Nothing against Marshall, but I do slightly regret not going to Indiana. It's just an experience I would have liked to have had.
Bloomington tends to be in most rankings of the top college towns, too, which makes it more bitter.

And just like you, nothing against Marshall for me. I enjoyed my time there. It just doesn't have everything I would want, including some of the very top things, if I could do it again. Part of that has to do with the state, too. west virginia has nothing to keep people there. Most of the schools on my list, even though they aren't in a major metro, have things very close that allow alums to set roots there and still be close.

If you look at my friends from college, they are scattered all over: a few in California, a few in greater DC, a few in Florida, a couple in Nebraska, a couple in Texas, sprinkles in South Carolina/Virginia/Nevada.
 
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I would choose a smaller college. Most of the people that I knew that did that really liked it. Better attention from the professors, more resources available, more attention from the staff, and you get to know most everybody.

My son went to a small college, as a cadet, that had 500 or so cadets. He loved it. He stays in touch with a bunch of them and has gone back for reunions and gatherings. No major sports but, they had sports(no football) . But, when we would visit you could see it was really cool there. Not for everybody, but I think I would go smaller.

He later attended a school somewhat similar to Marshall. Two different experiences from the small military college to the university,
 
That's a solid bolded list that all have fantastic schools. i've been on probably the majority of those campuses, and with the exception of dicey seasonal weather (state college, ann arbor, alabama), they check all the boxes.

In my head space now, I'd probably go smaller college and get a real tight nit group to be with. I don't care much about college sports at this phase in my life.

But at 18 years old, getting to do the big football games/basketball games/tailgates was important to me. Also important to have lots of options for majors, big enough to have access to labs/research, etc.

Then there's the whole cost issue though. I think dollar for dollar rifle's bolded list (especially if you're in state) is the way to go for most anyone. Some of these small liberal arts schools have massive tuition, so debt is a big factor.

Honestly I have a hard time putting myself in that head space. I'm really enjoying my phase of life right now and it's hard to imagine going back and doing anything any differently.
 
Bloomington tends to be in most rankings of the top college towns, too, which makes it more bitter.
Yeah, it's a pretty great college town. I've spent a lot of time there, just not at that age.

To be a student when Knight was still coach? Man, I would have found a way to be at every home game.

One thing I really like about Bloomington is you can be in Indy pretty quick but you can also go hike, mountain bike, and camp nearby. WV is great for the outdoor things, but one thing I really missed when I was that age in Huntington was how few big concerts came to town. Being that close to Indy would have solved that, for sure. Huntington is weird to this day, you get some country shows and then some really hard heavy bands (shit, I've seen Slayer in Huntington lol), but it's not like Pearl Jam was coming to WV back then (or now).
 
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I went to Morehead, which was under 5,000 enrollment when I was there. Wouldn’t change anything, almost 30% of the students were in the Greek system, so parties all the time. I knew all my professors and most of the administration. We had great concerts. In one year we had Hank Jr, 38 special, Billy Idol and even Otis Day and the Knights where everyone wore togas (this was Animal House timeframe). The sports were fun, we won an NCAA game while I was there, even beat Marshall in football and basketball.

It is only 60 miles from home, far enough but an easy drive. I liked knowing everyone. We had Cave Run Lake and the Daniel Boone National Forest. Good times.
 
I seriously considered Virginia Tech because West Virginia has no schools of architecture. My high school guidance counselor talked me out of that idea because she said I had not taken enough higher math classes.

Years later, when I was building my own home, I contacted a licensed architect about a structural question I had on the cathedral ceiling roof beams. I still remember his answer: “Damned if I know.” He put the plans in a tube and mailed them to a structural engineer. He must have skipped those higher math classes my counselor said I needed.
 
Bloomington tends to be in most rankings of the top college towns, too, which makes it more bitter.

And just like you, nothing against Marshall for me. I enjoyed my time there. It just doesn't have everything I would want, including some of the very top things, if I could do it again. Part of that has to do with the state, too. west virginia has nothing to keep people there. Most of the schools on my list, even though they aren't in a major metro, have things very close that allow alums to set roots there and still be close.

If you look at my friends from college, they are scattered all over: a few in California, a few in greater DC, a few in Florida, a couple in Nebraska, a couple in Texas, sprinkles in South Carolina/Virginia/Nevada.
You said nothing against Marshall. I agree. The problem is when we are 18 years old, our college choice decision may not have been the best choice. With age comes wisdom. But you can't have a do over.
 
I seriously considered Virginia Tech because West Virginia has no schools of architecture. My high school guidance counselor talked me out of that idea because she said I had not taken enough higher math classes.

Years later, when I was building my own home, I contacted a licensed architect about a structural question I had on the cathedral ceiling roof beams. I still remember his answer: “Damned if I know.” He put the plans in a tube and mailed them to a structural engineer. He must have skipped those higher math classes my counselor said I needed.
I started in the pre-architectural program, that’s what they called it. It was a 3-2 program where you did first 3 years at Morehead and then 2 at UK. So I had to take 4 semesters of calculus and things like descriptive geometry, materials strength, etc. I still have the books if you need me to calculate beam sizing for you.

I just didn’t want to do 5 years, so ended up with a drafting and design major with a minor in industrial management. I still make full plans for everything I build in my shop. Enjoy the drawing more than the woodworking.
 
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Honestly I have a hard time putting myself in that head space. I'm really enjoying my phase of life right now and it's hard to imagine going back and doing anything any differently.

And that's the magic point to strive for that I think most happily married people achieve. For whatever reason, I have never gotten there, which is maybe why I always want a redo.

In college, I looked back at high school and wished I could have done it differently, even though I was (what I've been told) what every other person wished they could be: I was Homecoming King, dated the captain of the cheerleading squad/hottest girl in the area (while hooking up with every other one), Prom King (but didn't go), QB on the football team/three sport star and playing varsity as a freshman and sophomore, in the very smartest classes yet my classmates knew I didn't study, was the center of attention when I would walk into any sports event at other high schools.

But there was also a lot of shit:
  • Two friends/football and baseball teammates died in an accident when I was in high school.
  • A girl I knew but never hung out with (she went to a rival high school) told her school guidance counselor that we were dating and that I was physically abusing her. Two years earlier, I briefly dated/hooked up with her younger sister for a couple of months, but that is the only way I knew her or was ever around her. The few days it took before I was vindicated for that was fun. Somehow, she got accepted and went to either West Point or Annapolis.
  • A friend of mine played the same position I did in baseball and went to a rival high school. It was determined that his mother was sending anonymous letters to two college coaches who had offered me telling them that I was on steroids.
  • The mother of two schoolmates called my mother one night. Her oldest daughter was in my grade. Her youngest daughter was a year or two younger and was/is albino. The older daughter was told by one of her friends that she heard me walking down the hallway asking a person I was walking with "who would ever date that girl? I mean, look at her." Of course, I never said such an awful thing, but it was pinned on me.
  • As a sophomore, the police came to my house, because I was reported to be breaking apartment windows on Halloween. Two sisters who were older than me said they saw me doing it, but I was never even close to those apartments that night nor was I breaking anything when out with a small group of friends.
  • The mother of a girl from a rival school, the mother of one of my girlfriend's best friends, and two random woman saying shit about me in front of my girlfriend's mother at a grocery store all talking shit about me, which coming from adults, seems like an MTV reality show.
I think if I were somebody else, those things wouldn't have happened.

Two of my four closest friends from elementary school moved across the country with their families right before middle school (both were wealthy families whose dads had to move for work). So I always envy the people who have that same group of 2-5 friends that they were close to from elementary school through adulthood. Kids I went to elementary school with are still "friends" in terms of social media and reminiscing/sharing stories every few years, but it's not a close friendship anymore. My five closest high school friends, besides my girlfriend of 1.5 years? Two have passed (both were extremely successful and with young families); one is incarcerated for life for killing a cop in Kentucky while high when he was 21; one married a classmate (a medical doctor) who I had a summer fling with during college so he pulled away once they started dating; and the fifth played football in the ACC/NFL, and we still make time to see each other once a year (he also is unmarried with no children). Two or three other high school friends - who weren't part of my closest friends but whom I grew up with and went to their weddings - I tend to see at other events every few years (other weddings, games, etc.), but it's odd replacing my former closest friends with them.

My closest college friends are spread all over the country (again, I think due to Marshall/west virginia having nothing to keep alums there): Four of them have never married with two of those three struggling (they weren't the brightest guys in school, didn't get a Marshall degree, and seem to have a different menial job every year, but again, I think that is why I would want a redo to be surrounded by a different quality of students). Another is in Vegas and has never married. Another has a family in Texas. Another is remarried with a large family. I keep in touch with all once or twice a year, but we never make time to meet up.

And I compare that to the guys in my neighborhood - all UCLA, USC, Stanford, San Diego State guys, and they all seem to be within pretty close driving distance to their college friends and see each other multiple times a year. So even though college was very similar to high school for me, I still wish I could have done it differently. Even former Marshall female athletes who live in California really don't see each other except for ever few years. They all have families, but maybe that is what happens for just about everybody - life happens, people move away, start families, and that takes over their lives.

Post-school, the closest friends I have met are mostly all married. One is in Chicago/Hartford with a family, one is single with no children in San Francisco, one works for me in Utah with his family, one coaches in the NFL with a large family, and one coaches college football in Colorado (not married). And I talk to a few of them on a monthly basis, but due to distance and their family obligations, it's not like how friendships used to be when in high school and college.

And maybe that's just who I am - always wanting more and better. As a middle schooler/high schooler, I remember frequently looking at plane lights in the sky at night and having an almost uneasy/anxious feeling wondering who was on that plane. Is it the girl who is looking down thinking the same thing I am and wondering where I am? As a child, I went to Disney World every year, and I recall having the same thoughts when I would see other kids at the hotel pool, in line for rides, etc. I would always wonder if their life was the Hollywood life you'd see on television shows.

I just think that many aspects of Marshall took that opportunity away.

Thanks for the session. Can you just bill my insurance provider like usual?
 
I went to Morehead, which was under 5,000 enrollment when I was there. Wouldn’t change anything, almost 30% of the students were in the Greek system, so parties all the time. I knew all my professors and most of the administration. We had great concerts. In one year we had Hank Jr, 38 special, Billy Idol and even Otis Day and the Knights where everyone wore togas (this was Animal House timeframe). The sports were fun, we won an NCAA game while I was there, even beat Marshall in football and basketball.

It is only 60 miles from home, far enough but an easy drive. I liked knowing everyone. We had Cave Run Lake and the Daniel Boone National Forest. Good times.
Marshall was fun as a student. It didn't have a lot of what I think could have made it far better. How many Morehead friends are you still close with? Did life/family take that away?
 
I’m very happy I went to WVU. It has most of what rifle listed as criteria.

Large school that’s always bustling with students.
Easily recognizable logo and brand recognition.
Close to a major city but not in one.
Great game day atmosphere.
Close to major airport.
Good weather (most of the time).
Student-centric campus and great social interaction.

Rifle, you should have been a Mountsineer.

That said, if I had an absolute clean slate, coming out of high school, with no attachments…

Arizona, Arizona State, Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, Ole Miss, Florida, Florida State, USC.
 
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And that's the magic point to strive for that I think most happily married people achieve. For whatever reason, I have never gotten there, which is maybe why I always want a redo.

In college, I looked back at high school and wished I could have done it differently, even though I was (what I've been told) what every other person wished they could be: I was Homecoming King, dated the captain of the cheerleading squad/hottest girl in the area (while hooking up with every other one), Prom King (but didn't go), QB on the football team/three sport star and playing varsity as a freshman and sophomore, in the very smartest classes yet my classmates knew I didn't study, was the center of attention when I would walk into any sports event at other high schools.

But there was also a lot of shit:
  • Two friends/football and baseball teammates died in an accident when I was in high school.
  • A girl I knew but never hung out with (she went to a rival high school) told her school guidance counselor that we were dating and that I was physically abusing her. Two years earlier, I briefly dated/hooked up with her younger sister for a couple of months, but that is the only way I knew her or was ever around her. The few days it took before I was vindicated for that was fun. Somehow, she got accepted and went to either West Point or Annapolis.
  • A friend of mine played the same position I did in baseball and went to a rival high school. It was determined that his mother was sending anonymous letters to two college coaches who had offered me telling them that I was on steroids.
  • The mother of two schoolmates called my mother one night. Her oldest daughter was in my grade. Her youngest daughter was a year or two younger and was/is albino. The older daughter was told by one of her friends that she heard me walking down the hallway asking a person I was walking with "who would ever date that girl? I mean, look at her." Of course, I never said such an awful thing, but it was pinned on me.
  • As a sophomore, the police came to my house, because I was reported to be breaking apartment windows on Halloween. Two sisters who were older than me said they saw me doing it, but I was never even close to those apartments that night nor was I breaking anything when out with a small group of friends.
  • The mother of a girl from a rival school, the mother of one of my girlfriend's best friends, and two random woman saying shit about me in front of my girlfriend's mother at a grocery store all talking shit about me, which coming from adults, seems like an MTV reality show.
I think if I were somebody else, those things wouldn't have happened.

Two of my four closest friends from elementary school moved across the country with their families right before middle school (both were wealthy families whose dads had to move for work). So I always envy the people who have that same group of 2-5 friends that they were close to from elementary school through adulthood. Kids I went to elementary school with are still "friends" in terms of social media and reminiscing/sharing stories every few years, but it's not a close friendship anymore. My five closest high school friends, besides my girlfriend of 1.5 years? Two have passed (both were extremely successful and with young families); one is incarcerated for life for killing a cop in Kentucky while high when he was 21; one married a classmate (a medical doctor) who I had a summer fling with during college so he pulled away once they started dating; and the fifth played football in the ACC/NFL, and we still make time to see each other once a year (he also is unmarried with no children). Two or three other high school friends - who weren't part of my closest friends but whom I grew up with and went to their weddings - I tend to see at other events every few years (other weddings, games, etc.), but it's odd replacing my former closest friends with them.

My closest college friends are spread all over the country (again, I think due to Marshall/west virginia having nothing to keep alums there): Four of them have never married with two of those three struggling (they weren't the brightest guys in school, didn't get a Marshall degree, and seem to have a different menial job every year, but again, I think that is why I would want a redo to be surrounded by a different quality of students). Another is in Vegas and has never married. Another has a family in Texas. Another is remarried with a large family. I keep in touch with all once or twice a year, but we never make time to meet up.

And I compare that to the guys in my neighborhood - all UCLA, USC, Stanford, San Diego State guys, and they all seem to be within pretty close driving distance to their college friends and see each other multiple times a year. So even though college was very similar to high school for me, I still wish I could have done it differently. Even former Marshall female athletes who live in California really don't see each other except for ever few years. They all have families, but maybe that is what happens for just about everybody - life happens, people move away, start families, and that takes over their lives.

Post-school, the closest friends I have met are mostly all married. One is in Chicago/Hartford with a family, one is single with no children in San Francisco, one works for me in Utah with his family, one coaches in the NFL with a large family, and one coaches college football in Colorado (not married). And I talk to a few of them on a monthly basis, but due to distance and their family obligations, it's not like how friendships used to be when in high school and college.

And maybe that's just who I am - always wanting more and better. As a middle schooler/high schooler, I remember frequently looking at plane lights in the sky at night and having an almost uneasy/anxious feeling wondering who was on that plane. Is it the girl who is looking down thinking the same thing I am and wondering where I am? As a child, I went to Disney World every year, and I recall having the same thoughts when I would see other kids at the hotel pool, in line for rides, etc. I would always wonder if their life was the Hollywood life you'd see on television shows.

I just think that many aspects of Marshall took that opportunity away.

Thanks for the session. Can you just bill my insurance provider like usual?

The flight from WV is definitely a phenomenon. I'm closer with my high school buddies more than my college buddies, but I left WV and though we get together a couple of times a year it would be amazing if we lived closer. Fantasy football and group-chats help.

I have a lot of sympathy for what you're saying too. I can't imagine trying to make friends later in life as a single person. I think because I was serious with my now-wife early on in college, my focus was more on moving forward with academics and solidifying that relationship more so than fostering college friendships. Even as an adult now my best local friends are actually parents of kids my son plays sports with that are in similar phases of their life and/or church friends. It's kind of a built in way to meet people of similar minds/stages of life.

I will say that if there's one thing I've learned from my sick patients that amaze me at their peace with everything is just their contentment. It is often those with strong religious backgrounds but not always. They have this peace about them that I wish I had. I'm just too much of a worrier. I think ambition to get yourself that better life is fine and actually can be a virtue, but an underlying level of contentment and gratitude is the backbone for peace I'm convinced (obviously outside of the bounds of a religion discussion). There's this balance of not wanting to accept mediocrity and pushing to be your best but at the same time being grateful for what you have....hard to find that in many high achievers.
 
University of Kentucky. University of Florida or The Ohio State. I live in Athens so no to Ohio University ( wife graduated from Marshall and Ohio University).
 
Third in my class with the highest ACT and SAT scores. Love the Herd and have to have major college football but I would have leveraged that to a Wake Forest, Duke type of situation because of the opportunities it presents and the better weather.
 
Third in my class with the highest ACT and SAT scores. Love the Herd and have to have major college football but I would have leveraged that to a Wake Forest, Duke type of situation because of the opportunities it presents and the better weather.
I was middle of the pack in high school and finished Marshall with a 2.68. Damn proud of it.

Just like Bob Uecker there are different paths to the Hall of Fame.
 
The flight from WV is definitely a phenomenon. I'm closer with my high school buddies more than my college buddies, but I left WV and though we get together a couple of times a year it would be amazing if we lived closer. Fantasy football and group-chats help.

I have a lot of sympathy for what you're saying too. I can't imagine trying to make friends later in life as a single person. I think because I was serious with my now-wife early on in college, my focus was more on moving forward with academics and solidifying that relationship more so than fostering college friendships. Even as an adult now my best local friends are actually parents of kids my son plays sports with that are in similar phases of their life and/or church friends. It's kind of a built in way to meet people of similar minds/stages of life.

I will say that if there's one thing I've learned from my sick patients that amaze me at their peace with everything is just their contentment. It is often those with strong religious backgrounds but not always. They have this peace about them that I wish I had. I'm just too much of a worrier. I think ambition to get yourself that better life is fine and actually can be a virtue, but an underlying level of contentment and gratitude is the backbone for peace I'm convinced (obviously outside of the bounds of a religion discussion). There's this balance of not wanting to accept mediocrity and pushing to be your best but at the same time being grateful for what you have....hard to find that in many high achievers.

This is a great response. I have lifelong friends, but I also have good friends that we have met over the last decade or so from youth sports, church, and other settings, like you mentioned. Most people spend their 20s and 30s finding a career, finding love, and investing in their future. When you can find someone that you love more than yourself, then build a life with that person, create a family with that person, and live life together as one unit, that’s where true fulfillment is.

My wife and kids are my entire life, and my reason for being. As a man, it’s my mission in life to provide for them and protect them to the best of my ability. Also, have you ever seen your son throw a perfect curveball? Is your daughter excited for you to sing to her every single night before she goes to bed? That’s life and life at its fullest.
 
I was middle of the pack in high school and finished Marshall with a 2.68. Damn proud of it.

Just like Bob Uecker there are different paths to the Hall of Fame.
Agree 100% but it also makes sense to leverage every advantage you can while you are young.

I graduated with a 3.25 because I discovered beer and women and screwed around my first 18 months. I did graduate my M.S. with a 4.0, so I made up for it. M.S. did nothing for me other than open the door to an interview in my current industry. I could do everything I do right now without it.
 
Any school that is in a metro downtown sucks ass. South Carolina included.
Kinda agree. Clemson over South Carolina any day in my opinion. It's close to a nice size city but still has a campus with trees and grass. Same thing for UK over UofL.
 
Arizona, Arizona State, Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, Ole Miss, Florida, Florida State, USC.
I don't like Tucson at all, and it has a population of over 500k. The school itself may be fun. Same with Arizona State. That campus is in downtown Tempe and is just miles from Phoenix. Greater Phoenix, to me, is just one big urban sprawl. All of those cities blend into each other, and ASU takes a distant backseat to everything else Phoenix has. Same with Texas being in a top 15 sized city. I'm sure they all have a lot of fun, but I just like the feel of a big college town instead of a big college in a much bigger city. USC on your list also fits that.

I will say that if there's one thing I've learned from my sick patients that amaze me at their peace with everything is just their contentment. It is often those with strong religious backgrounds but not always. They have this peace about them that I wish I had. I'm just too much of a worrier. I think ambition to get yourself that better life is fine and actually can be a virtue, but an underlying level of contentment and gratitude is the backbone for peace I'm convinced (obviously outside of the bounds of a religion discussion).
That's it. I am going to Mecca for the Hajj.

their contentment. I think ambition to get yourself that better life is fine and actually can be a virtue, but an underlying level of contentment and gratitude is the backbone for peace I'm convinced (obviously outside of the bounds of a religion discussion). There's this balance of not wanting to accept mediocrity and pushing to be your best but at the same time being grateful for what you have....hard to find that in many high achievers.
This is me perfectly, even in relationships. Girls I date for one to two years are awesome in the eyes of others, but I will harp on those small things that bother me. Some examples:

1 ) One girl was the hottest girl on the North Texas campus. She was there to get her master's. Ended up working for Fidelity in a solid position at age 25. Incredibly sexy and a normal girl. Had a pregnancy scare, and she wanted to keep my baby, which i didn't (she didn't end up being pregnant). But she thought Abraham Lincoln was our first president. If I had children with her and then passed away, would I want my children being raised by somebody who didn't know who our first president was?
2) The last relationship I had was with a girl for about 1.5 years. Beautiful (on The Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise twice), hard-working, very laid back. Loved climbing, hiking, biking, and working out. Loved to cook. Incredible body for her 30s. Came here from a foreign country when she was 20 with $400 to her name, knowing nobody, and put herself through a good college education. Bought her own nice place. Would figure out how to fix things (car, household) on her own instead of hiring people. Wanted to marry me. But her intellect/humor was different from mine and became more like a little sister.
3) Very successful model. Possibly the most intelligent girl I have dated. Father was a medical doctor who also owned four pharmacies and a big farm. But she had no tits, and frankly, if I am expected to only sleep with one girl most of the time, she better have everything I need to satisfy me.
4) Smokeshow - A main character on a current highly-rated reality show. Shockingly down-to-earth. Financially successful in her career path. But she has two children, so I don't invest in her like I would if I was really interested.

I have a tough time being content when there could be something even more around the corner.
 
I don't like Tucson at all, and it has a population of over 500k. The school itself may be fun. Same with Arizona State. That campus is in downtown Tempe and is just miles from Phoenix. Greater Phoenix, to me, is just one big urban sprawl. All of those cities blend into each other, and ASU takes a distant backseat to everything else Phoenix has. Same with Texas being in a top 15 sized city. I'm sure they all have a lot of fun, but I just like the feel of a big college town instead of a big college in a much bigger city. USC on your list also fits that.


That's it. I am going to Mecca for the Hajj.


This is me perfectly, even in relationships. Girls I date for one to two years are awesome in the eyes of others, but I will harp on those small things that bother me. Some examples:

1 ) One girl was the hottest girl on the North Texas campus. She was there to get her master's. Ended up working for Fidelity in a solid position at age 25. Incredibly sexy and a normal girl. Had a pregnancy scare, and she wanted to keep my baby, which i didn't (she didn't end up being pregnant). But she thought Abraham Lincoln was our first president. If I had children with her and then passed away, would I want my children being raised by somebody who didn't know who our first president was?
2) The last relationship I had was with a girl for about 1.5 years. Beautiful (on The Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise twice), hard-working, very laid back. Loved climbing, hiking, biking, and working out. Loved to cook. Incredible body for her 30s. Came here from a foreign country when she was 20 with $400 to her name, knowing nobody, and put herself through a good college education. Bought her own nice place. Would figure out how to fix things (car, household) on her own instead of hiring people. Wanted to marry me. But her intellect/humor was different from mine and became more like a little sister.
3) Very successful model. Possibly the most intelligent girl I have dated. Father was a medical doctor who also owned four pharmacies and a big farm. But she had no tits, and frankly, if I am expected to only sleep with one girl most of the time, she better have everything I need to satisfy me.
4) Smokeshow - A main character on a current highly-rated reality show. Shockingly down-to-earth. Financially successful in her career path. But she has two children, so I don't invest in her like I would if I was really interested.

I have a tough time being content when there could be something even more around the corner.
Maybe it’s because I am just average looking, but I cant relate as much to multiple beautiful women options.


Related to your situation, I heard someone once say (in regards to sowing your wild oats in college and sleeping with lots of women…)….

“You don’t get it out of your system, you get it in your system.”
 
Then there's the whole cost issue though. I think dollar for dollar rifle's bolded list (especially if you're in state) is the way to go for most anyone. Some of these small liberal arts schools have massive tuition, so debt is a big factor.
Don't let the sticker price scare you away from the private schools, most students do not pay anywhere close to that figure. Private schools have the flexibility to offer reduced tuition and scholarships for just about any reason they see fit, they pretty much give most students a scholarship just for going there. In 2003 or 2004 there was a story in the national news about a girl who initially went to Fairmont State because she got sticker shock when she saw the tuition at Davis and Elkins, she incorrectly assumed she could never afford it. After a year, she transferred to Davis and Elkins and attended tuition free. She would have had some student loans to payoff if she had remained at Fairmont under the false notion that private colleges are more expensive.
 
Don't let the sticker price scare you away from the private schools, most students do not pay anywhere close to that figure. Private schools have the flexibility to offer reduced tuition and scholarships for just about any reason they see fit, they pretty much give most students a scholarship just for going there. In 2003 or 2004 there was a story in the national news about a girl who initially went to Fairmont State because she got sticker shock when she saw the tuition at Davis and Elkins, she incorrectly assumed she could never afford it. After a year, she transferred to Davis and Elkins and attended tuition free. She would have had some student loans to payoff if she had remained at Fairmont under the false notion that private colleges are more expensive.

Yeah I certainly am not an expert on it, but all I remember is I would get partial academic/athletic "scholarships" that on paper looked good but then even with that help at the end of the day my tuition/room/board would be 4X more than what it would be at WVU or Pitt or some other schools where I had a full ride. I remember Elon, Case Western, College of Charleston, Brown, and maybe some others being like that. This was >20 years ago though, so my memory isn't great.
 
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Maybe it’s because I am just average looking, but I cant relate as much to multiple beautiful women options.


Related to your situation, I heard someone once say (in regards to sowing your wild oats in college and sleeping with lots of women…)….

“You don’t get it out of your system, you get it in your system.”
It's true. A month ago, a mutual friend arranged a lunch between a guy who runs a company and me. The guy is more than a little bit of a cheese-dick, but he is a former professional bodybuilder (I think he finished runner-up at the Arnold Classic), makes a killing with his company, and has been very successful. At the end of our lunch, he said "I hope you don't mind me asking, but why have you never married?" I was transparent with him: I was too spoiled with a lot of beautiful girls all my life, let some really quality ones go when I was in my 20s/30s and not ready to settle down, and due to having been spoiled, I want the one I settle down with to be able to match the best qualities of each of all of the others. When you've been spoiled, you only want the very best at everything.

He admitted that he also had never married and completely understood. He spent 20 years in New York City and has been in Orange County for three years. Due to his success, the fitness industry, and living in those type of places where beautiful girls were everywhere, he said he never wanted to settle down.
 
Maybe it’s because I am just average looking, but I cant relate as much to multiple beautiful women options.


Related to your situation, I heard someone once say (in regards to sowing your wild oats in college and sleeping with lots of women…)….

“You don’t get it out of your system, you get it in your system.”

I like this one...”Life’s too short to dance with ugly women.”
 
Well, my choice was my choice. I choose USC and the lovely southern hospitality, and beautiful coeds to sink my chisel dick into.
MichiganHerd said:
If the cheating isn't corrected and the rightfully elected man isn't allowed to continue working.

Then Trump in 2024 will be a landslide, and I got first dibs on a bet with greed over a perma-ban.

extragreen said:

We can do the perma ban bet right now....ya coward, punk, sot.
 
You have some sort of statistical evidence of that? I saw plenty of them while spending a few evenings at Savage Craft Ales in West Columbia.
Are you guys really going to argue about the hottest girls at huge southern public schools? I mean you can’t walk 100 yards in any direction on those campuses without seeing a dozen beautiful girls.

We’re not talking about whether you hope enough girls at Sewanee shave their pits or whether the girls at Oberlin may make you sign an affirmative consent form before you get to second base.
 
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