Independents side with Trump on tax cuts and eliminating wasteful spending
A Fox News Digital focus group reacted to President Donald Trump promising tax cuts and eliminating wasteful government spending, which Independents largely approved of.
Independents side with Trump.
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Anyone else remember when Obama talked about "his military" like a king would???
I was thinking of someone else.Must have struck a nerve with somebody on here who's an ignored user. Still, I don't reckon it to be GREED, seeing how we made that little beeyotch walk the plank.
I think most every American is on board with eliminating bloat and wasteful spending. I don't see that as the issue.Independents side with Trump on tax cuts and eliminating wasteful spending
A Fox News Digital focus group reacted to President Donald Trump promising tax cuts and eliminating wasteful government spending, which Independents largely approved of.www.foxnews.com
The issue is the foolhardy approach of indiscriminately making cuts with limited strategy or forethought. Many of these agencies and employees make impactful and important contributions. A serious audit by real auditors over a few weeks or months with vetted reductions is what is needed.
Communication by Tweet is also embarrassing considering it's not being fact-checked, is often wrong, and is almost always out of context. Not to mention, programs that were funded by Congress that are being executed exactly as prescribed, aren't fraud. Wasteful spending, maybe.
The fraud is missing money that was for these programs and didn't make it.
Would stealing be a better word than fraud?
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How on earth do you know anything about the level of strategy and forethought put in into the cuts? Were you sitting in the room when these decisions were made?
1.) Gaining access to records and then just 48 hours later making billion dollars decisions to fire employees and close agencies. That’s not an audit. That’s a hatchet job used for political propaganda.
2.) Making mass termination decisions without proper and individualized vetting of employee tenure or performance.
3.) Firing employees only to quickly attempt to recall them because they screwed up by doing 1 & 2.
In the grand scheme, relative to trillions of dollars. It’s all equivalent to finding change in the couch. But just watch, very quickly it will all be trumpeted as justification for the massive tax cuts to the rich and growing the deficit. It’s a distraction using the real lives of the common man to feed the wealthy. He doesn’t give a shit about you or me.
All the while, we are still waiting on reduced prices. He promised 300 times over that would happen. Now the excuses have started by him and for him.
It takes billions to make trillions and it's a big deal if we're wasting just millions.
It shouldn't and hasn't taken long to find wasteful government spending.
Sanctuary cities alone are in the billions.
You or I could save taxpayers billions in a matter of minutes.
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Ever heard of the term "low hanging fruit"?
I understand that but is that really how firings can occur in government. Sometimes entire organizations are fired and then the effective employees are (edited) "hired" back. Maybe that is the strategic approach here. I know really good government employees and really bad ones. Maybe this was a strategy to weed out the good from the bad.
I think you are seeing this as an ideologue as you are parroting the typical political talking points. In business buying in volume creates volume discounts leading to lower prices. One just needs to look at Walmart and Costco to see that.
Likewise in government more people working and paying taxes allows the tax burden to be spread out. Ronald Reagan understood that and how important private investment is to the US economy. His "tax cuts for the rich" actually grew the federal inflows from $525B to $990B over his 8 years but the promised spending cuts never came. Since 1974 Congress has basically had a blank checkbook. It's a spending problem. We are spending more than the WW2 era as a % of GDP.
He gave up a billionaire rock star lifestyle, lost billions in net worth during his first term, he and his family were subjected to huge amounts of abuse, had a significant amount of the federal and certain state governments using "lawfare" against him and his family.
I truly believe he has been concerned with the recent direction of our country and the American people. Ego is one thing but I think it goes far beyond that. Truly sorry you can't see that.
And how long has he been POTUS? Talk about a "hatchet" job and expecting immediate results. You just undermined your entire post with that argument. You made some good points - you should have known when to stop.
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You stupid idiot. That's an 8.125% increase per year.
The previous 4 years under Carter increased federal revenue by 11.25% per year
That's because there have been 3 recessions under the previous 3 republican presidents. The percent of outlays per GDP in 2024 was less than 1% higher than it was in 1982 under your St Ronnie. Since Ronnie was in office and cut taxes along with Bush and your orange jesus, the federal revenue has been less than 17.5% 30 out of 42 years. In the 12 years that the federal revenue was above 17.5%, 8 were under a democrat president and another 3 years were a republican president presiding over a 17.5% that they inherited from a democrat president.
We have a REVENUE PROBLEM. MORON.
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Honestly, you could have just replied with this because he will keep plugging his ears with his fingers, shutting his eyes and yelling la-la-la-la the entire time anyone outside of his echo chamber attempts to get through to him.
And I could say the exact same thing about you. When I read this forum, I am astounded that so many of you believe the things you believe and that you can't see what the Trump administration is doing. It's obvious to me and about half of America. The difference, in my posts I don't feel the need to constantly post or make remarks about attacking you personally. I instead choose to stick to the topic.
Case in point, I've changed my opinion of KyMUfan. While I don't like the comment you've quoted, at least he attempts to discuss the topic the majority of the time.
Ever heard of the term "low hanging fruit"?
I understand that but is that really how firings can occur in government. Sometimes entire organizations are fired and then the effective employees are (edited) "hired" back. Maybe that is the strategic approach here. I know really good government employees and really bad ones. Maybe this was a strategy to weed out the good from the bad.
I think you are seeing this as an ideologue as you are parroting the typical political talking points. In business buying in volume creates volume discounts leading to lower prices. One just needs to look at Walmart and Costco to see that.
Likewise in government more people working and paying taxes allows the tax burden to be spread out. Ronald Reagan understood that and how important private investment is to the US economy. His "tax cuts for the rich" actually grew the federal inflows from $525B to $990B over his 8 years but the promised spending cuts never came. Since 1974 Congress has basically had a blank checkbook. It's a spending problem. We are spending more than the WW2 era as a % of GDP.
He gave up a billionaire rock star lifestyle, lost billions in net worth during his first term, he and his family were subjected to huge amounts of abuse, had a significant amount of the federal and certain state governments using "lawfare" against him and his family.
I truly believe he has been concerned with the recent direction of our country and the American people. Ego is one thing but I think it goes far beyond that. Truly sorry you can't see that.
And how long has he been POTUS? Talk about a "hatchet" job and expecting immediate results. You just undermined your entire post with that argument. You made some good points - you should have known when to stop.
I don't know enough about the history of outlays as a percentage of GDP to go too deep into and I don't have the time this morning to research it. You make a fair point and one worthy of exploring, though.
I also understand how firings work. I am an executive at a billion-dollar company and have more than once in my career had to manage through layoffs. I can't say I've worked in government, though, but I don't believe that it "works" the way it's happening right now. No one indiscriminately fires thousands without properly vetting their roles.
I'm not parroting "typical" talking points. I am offering an informed observation. Maybe consider that not all news outlets are giving you "talking points" and are instead reporting the news? I know Trump has convinced you that any news source that doesn't bend the knee to him is lying but that's not the case.
Regarding the hatchet job, Trump hundreds of times over promised Americans that on day one he would end the war and bring down prices. I think you and I both know that's bull$hit but less informed people voted for him based on that so let's stop making excuses for him and admit he lied. Not to mention, you can't make excuses for him not doing it as promised while on the other hand justifying all the knee-jerk terminations and cost savings occurring without vetting. It takes time and due diligence to do either.
BTW, cutting programs you don't like isn't necessarily cutting waste or fraud. It's just cutting programs you don't like.
I don't recall "attacking you personally." This board, in case you weren't aware, is a combination political/smack forum. You can't expect to have discourse here without receiving an element of each in response. But this is hardly attacking others.
If that's not your cup of tea, then no doubt you will keep taking offense to the things we are saying. We're not solving world issues here, and we absolutely don't expect anyone to convert from one side to the other through discussion.
In other words, try not to take this board or yourself too serious.
Thanks. I usually don't make rash judgements or statements. I usually have supporting information.
No offense but in your position you are likely insulated from many of the things that affect small businesses and don't see how policies and ever-increasing compliance and regulatory costs affect them. I live with that every day.
Are you sure you are informed on both sides?
Talk about being condescending... I usually offer raw data and statistics, not what I hear on the news. Or when I hear something I the news, I usually go to the data. It's eye-opening at times... And THERE is a lot of lying and misrepresentations being offered. But it's easier for you to dismiss that, and me, by saying "Trump" has convinced us. Have you not noticed Trump has been the one who has changed the most?
So he's less than a month into his term and a three-year war hasn't ended. And egg prices are up because the bird flu a day the Biden administration killed millions of egg-laying chickens the back half of 2024. Wow... That's real informed and objective by you and those are the media points you seem to be "parroting".
Agree about the vetting and due diligence but he's got to show he's serious about this. He knew he was going to get pushback. Might as well get it on the big items rather than the smaller ones. And whether you like it or not there is a huge amount of low hanging fruit and I am convinced the fraud and abuse from the Obama and Biden administrations are off the charts.
There's a flip side to that. A lot of those programs were created by Executive Branch fiat in the past. Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government solution. Sometimes those "temporary" solutions need to end...
Fair point and I don’t take it too seriously but I do believe that too often when there is actual conversation going, it gets derailed by someone who turns it in to name calling or by attacking the other person rather than the topic. And while I don’t expect you to admit it, it often gets out of hand and turns the entire forum in to a shit show.
Cause and effect to a degree. I think most of the conservatives here have been called more names than they have called. Rifle and the ignored member have been the worst offenders. The "libertarian" has a penchant for rubes, morons and slapnuts. H&H has recently called me racist and genocidal. Have you been called anything similar?
And just like that.... Democrats hate audits. The people who obsessed over seeing Trump’s tax returns are against seeing where taxpayer money goes.
Name the worst offender(s) the last ten years & you’ll understand how we got here
