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[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I have mixed feelings on this. As disgusting as the act was, should he be barred from being a student-athlete for an incident when he was 15 years old, one in which he has already been punished for?


http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...ks-excused-playing-start-ncaa-super-regionals

 

[Walden Pond]

No

As long as a person's not in jail, all I care about is their ability to do whatever job they're trying to do. If he can play, let him play.

Look at the stuff some of these players in the NFL, NBA, and college football and basketball have done. Drunk driving is really worse than this, and a guy who did that will be the QB for Ohio State this fall if he doesn't do something dumber before then.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Drunk driving is really worse than this.

Drunk driving is worse than molesting a six year old? You're such a moron, Fever.

 

[Walden Pond]

What was the molesting? If he was really jamming it in there and there was a risk of death, then OK it was just as bad. Drunk driving can kill. I didn't think molesting could, but maybe it can.

If that's what it was then I may rethink my position. Somehow, I had the impression this amounted to feeling around on her or something piddly.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

What was the molesting? If he was really jamming it in there and there was a risk of death, then OK it was just as bad. Drunk driving can kill. I didn't think molesting could, but maybe it can.

If that's what it was then I may rethink my position. Somehow, I had the impression this amounted to feeling around on her or something piddly.

Driving over the speed limit is also illegal. Driving on bald tires is also illegal. Both of those increase the chances of the guilty party killing somebody. Are they also worse than child molestation?

The intent is what is key here. I consider drunk-driving to be a serious offense. However, the intent - at least most times - is not to harm somebody or for selfish reasons. Many times, drunk drivers are either so inebriated that they have no idea what they are doing or feel that they are sober and not a risk. They don't have an intent to harm. Child molesters, on the other hand, know exactly what they are doing and what they are intending.

To compare the two is absurd.

 

[Walden Pond]

All right, kick him out.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

But it isn't that easy. This happened six years ago, when the kid's nuts had barely dropped. His legal punishment is ongoing, as he has to continue to register as a sex offender. Should this action as a 15 year old keep him from playing college baseball? He was expected to be drafted in the first three rounds, which means a signing bonus of hundreds of thousands to millions. Assuming he has been a choice boy since the age of 15, should he not be allowed to play professionally, either?

 

[Walden Pond]

It's always that easy.

I'd let him play, but I'm just one cable subscriber. If he was on the Reds, all I'd care about is whether or not he was any good. If he started sucking, I might bring this up and say, "Should have known he wouldn't be worth a shit." Not for any reason other than being pissed at how much he sucked as a ballplayer.

 

[sistersville]

Let him play with therapy. I dont know, molesting a child might not be murder but for some victims its slow death

 

[HerdBuckeye]

What was the molesting? If he was really jamming it in there and there was a risk of death, then OK it was just as bad. Drunk driving can kill. I didn't think molesting could, but maybe it can.

If that's what it was then I may rethink my position. Somehow, I had the impression this amounted to feeling around on her or something piddly.

Wow. Walden you are ****ed up. I have given you way too much credit as some dumb hillbilly but now have some serious character concerns.

 

[herdfan06]

Wow. Walden you are ****ed up. I have given you way too much credit as some dumb hillbilly but now have some serious character concerns.

He has been known to refer to young teenagers as grown women on a number of occasions.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

He has been known to refer to young teenagers as grown women on a number of occasions.

Yep concerning thats for sure.

 

[Walden Pond]

That's how it was where I come from. 13 is your peak, prime lasts until about 25 then you start going down. Die when you're about 40 or 50.

I was 5'10" 240 when I was 13. Played football with the neighbors, same age, I carried those piss ants into the end zone every play. They outran me every play. Arena ball.

Anyhow, today I'm no taller, 80 pounds lighter, and sure as hell don't want any. On the trajectory spelled out above. These are my golden years. I better enjoy 'em now. I'm not living to be 70 or 80. I can feel it. I can see it. Not happening.

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

Question doesn't even need to be posed. In my neck of the woods, the kid wouldn't have reached the golden age of 16.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

That's how it was where I come from. 13 is your peak, prime lasts until about 25 then you start going down. Die when you're about 40 or 50.

I was 5'10" 240 when I was 13. Played football with the neighbors, same age, I carried those piss ants into the end zone every play. They outran me every play. Arena ball.

Anyhow, today I'm no taller, 80 pounds lighter, and sure as hell don't want any. On the trajectory spelled out above. These are my golden years. I better enjoy 'em now. I'm not living to be 70 or 80. I can feel it. I can see it. Not happening.

Calling bullshit. Your probably from Engelwood or Huber heights. Maybe even centerville. Either way still a perv who has some issues.

 

[Walden Pond]

What issues caused you to hide out for 6 months and then reappear with two different names? Get rid of the dtard one. That's the one that made all the stupid predictions and posts like he was bitten by a dog with rabies.

 

[i am herdman]

A 15 year old knows not to fondle a 6 year old. That is sick

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

It's a little late to be bringing this stuff up. He is a junior now, apparently OSU didn't care when they gave him a full ride to play ball. I wonder where the media outrage was then?

 

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

It's a little late to be bringing this stuff up. He is a junior now, apparently OSU didn't care when they gave him a full ride to play ball. I wonder where the media outrage was then?

I doubt that he was on a full ride. Where did you see that?

Yes, a 15 year old knows it's wrong to molest a 6 year old. An 11 year old also knows that.

The question is, how long should we punish a person who committed a crime when they were clearly a youth?

It's been about six years since he committed the crime. He was basically a freshman in high school. From what has been reported, he has not fvcked up since then (other than failing to report one move) and was even originally classified as a low risk repeat offender.

So, if you believe he shouldn't be able to play a college sport six years after an action committed as a youth, where do you draw the line? Should he not be able to play professional baseball?

 

[HerdBuckeye]

I think the biggest question to come out of this thread is whether or not Walden is either some type of creeper or child molestor??

 

[herdfan06]

I think the biggest question to come out of this thread is whether or not Walden is either some type of creeper or child molestor??

Welcome to 2007.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I doubt that he was on a full ride. Where did you see that?

Yes, a 15 year old knows it's wrong to molest a 6 year old. An 11 year old also knows that.

The question is, how long should we punish a person who committed a crime when they were clearly a youth?

It's been about six years since he committed the crime. He was basically a freshman in high school. From what has been reported, he has not fvcked up since then (other than failing to report one move) and was even originally classified as a low risk repeat offender.

So, if you believe he shouldn't be able to play a college sport six years after an action committed as a youth, where do you draw the line? Should he not be able to play professional baseball?

I would be shocked it their top pitcher isn't on full scholarship.

And my comment is directed at the media, not him nor OSU. I don't get why this is suddenly a big deal.

 

[i am herdman]

11.7 is the maximum number of scholarships that NCAA Division 1 baseball teams can give to its players. That's not per year, that's per team for all players. Most D1 teams carry more pitchers than the number of scholarships they can award.

May times those 11.7 are divided among up to 27 players.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

11.7 is the maximum number of scholarships that NCAA Division 1 baseball teams can give to its players. That's not per year, that's per team for all players. Most D1 teams carry more pitchers than the number of scholarships they can award.

May times those 11.7 are divided among up to 27 players.

Really? Sounds like discrimination against white males.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Update: the kid pulled himself out of super regionals and said he won't join the team in Omaha for the College World Series. The head coach said he is welcome back if he wants to play for them next year.

Even more shocking, he went undrafted this week. He went 11-1 with a 0.76 ERA for the #1 team in the country. He was projected to be selected in the first two rounds. The lowest slot value in round 2 was $900,000. The top pick was valued at $7.7 million for bonus money. That kid just lost a lot of money plus potentially his career.

The added twist . . . his charge for failing to report which led to the paper researching it and finding the sex crime was actually an invalid charge. The charge was dismissed because a state resident of Washington who is enrolled full-time in a college in Oregon is not obligated to report his address with what he was convicted of. So, if the court/officer didn't screw up, this would still be unknown, and he would be playing in the College World Series, $1 million richer soon, and playing pro ball.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

This kid, as a senior, was once again named the Pac 12 pitcher of the year. That's back-to-back years he has won that honor. He went 15-1 this year after going 11-1 last year. His record over the last two years is 26-2 in one of the best conferences in the country.

They just beat LSU in back-to-back games by a score of 26-1, so they will be hosting super regionals this weekend.

The kid went undrafted again. He has talked to some media about it. He claims that he is entirely not guilty of the charge, but due to some poor legal advice he was given when he was 13, he agreed to plead to a lesser charge. The victim was his brother's daughter. There are a lot of dynamics at play in this story.

I understand kids know the difference between right and wrong. I'm not sure he is fully guilty of what he was charged with. Regardless, something just doesn't feel right about this. He continues to claim, like he did seven years ago, that he is innocent. He would have had a signing bonus of around $4 million last year and this year that won't ever happen now.

This updated story from Sports Illustrated is long but well written:

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/05/16/luke-heimlich-oregon-state

 

[Bankerreturns]

If I were a GM I would draft him.

 

[i am herdman]

Does the coach yell get in the game, babe?

 

[Marine03]

MLB I don’t think is going to touch him, entirely too much controversy surrounding the kid right now, sad story but true. How do you let a registered sex offender play a kids game? Requirements to do hospital, school, youth league visits, etc, etc, as a MLB player would be a nightmare for him and anyone trying to manage those events. I also think to much weight is being given for his story, what about the victims? She was 6 and I’m certain the family of that girl does not want to see him get filthy rich playing a game while she spends much of her life in therapy.
He was old enough to know better and was caught, plead guilty and his consequences for such a deplorable act is his God given talent and years of hard work will go wasted. I don’t have an answer on how long he should be punished for a crime he committed when still
in puberty, but the fact is whatever comes out of this situation it will probably be unfair to one side or the other. As a father of an 8 year old girl and also a ball player of the same age I’d be wrecked if faced with this dilemma if either of my kids were involved in a situation like this. I only hope neither have to go through anything like this.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

He can play in Japan, they are down with that sort of thing.