memo released
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Very interesting take in the memo that blows a huge hole in its entire assumption
It's not the bombshell it was made out to be.
Anyone ignoring the noise from the little kids in congress and in the media would know it wasn't going to be anything big.
yeah, agreed. hell, i've read forums of conspirators claiming people would be going to jail and all kinds of crazy shit. i'm reading that shit thinking, yeah, people ain't going to jail because the release of a memo. if people going to jail over what's in the memo, they'd already be in cuffs, wouldn't have to wait for a memo to be declassified.
is that referring to the same investigation, though? serious question. it merely indicates "an FBI counterintelligence investigation", doesn't refer specifically to the trump/russia collusion investigation in that specific statement.
Reading the conspiracy stuff can be fun, but some of those people are batshit crazy.
okay, serious question: it was posed by dems that declassifying this memo would be detrimental to national security. what part of the memo is detrimental to national security? it appears as though they simply didn't want it released to protect their interests of bullshit claims. now, they have a double layer of egg on their face: 1) using a DNC/Clinton funded/driven dossier to initiate an investigation that cost taxpayers a shit load of money into something they had made themselves believe occurred . . . that didn't, and 2) screaming "breach of national security" on something that isn't even in the same hemisphere when it comes to a breach of national security.
That's another thing that didn't meet my expectations.
Based on the comments by the Democrats, I expected this memo to be some kind of step-by-step manual on how to take down the American government.
Parts of the dossier have been confirmed to be true. Investigations cost money and both sides have a history of dragging them out. Also, the Russia investigation still isn't over, we don't know all the facts. You have Republicans on one side saying this memo is proof of fbi corruption and Democrats trying to stop its release. The truth probably is somewhere in the middle. You'll have to forgive me if I believe the FBI more than some partisan bureaucrat.
Why do you think the Ds were so adamant to stop the memos release? Put your thinking cap on.
The initial warrant goes back to 2013, before the dossier even existed.
Good lord you are an idiot.
That whole memo was a “nothingburger.”
back to 2013, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before trump stepped up to run for POTUS . . . and win.
while not quite what it was put up to be by either side (cough, breach of national security, cough), yeah, lol, a bit more than "nothingburger".
here ya go, this is probably more suited for your browsing time.
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If you all don’t think this is a big scandal then you’re simply being partisan. The FBI approached FISA for warrants to be able to spy on Trump’s team and used the dossier as their basis, without telling FISA that the dossier was created solely for political purposes and paid for by Clinton and the DNC... even though James Comey and the FBI knew that was the case.
Corruption at the highest level.
Corruption at the highest level.
Trump is getting desperate. He will do anything and everything to get this Russia investigation to go away. Maybe Trump oughta be more careful who he surrounds himself with, or maybe these are the types of people he wants to be around. The fbi has been on to Page ever since it was believed Russian agents were trying to recruit him.
The only scandal here is trump denigrating the DOJ and the FBI on national television today.
another serious question: why in the fook is this committee, comprised of both dems and pubs, putting out two separate memos on an issue they supposedly worked together on? frankly, i have about as much faith in one as the other. both are going to slant their way and provide information to aid their "side".
my final thought for the weekend . . . i enjoy razzing the libs on this site to get a rise and to pass the time at work, but this entire dem/pub fight is going to eventually be the downfall of this nation. the whole idea of "make american great again" is never going happen until the two parties can come together and work as one, and that isn't happening, so the whole MAGA concept is fukt. it's pretty damn sickening if you can objectively put some serious thought to it. it honestly scares the shit out of me to think of what it's going to be like years down the road for my kids and their kids.
happy weekend, bag lickers.
my final thought for the weekend . . . i enjoy razzing the libs on this site to get a rise and to pass the time at work, but this entire dem/pub fight is going to eventually be the downfall of this nation. the whole idea of "make american great again" is never going happen until the two parties can come together and work as one, and that isn't happening, so the whole MAGA concept is fukt. it's pretty damn sickening if you can objectively put some serious thought to it. it honestly scares the shit out of me to think of what it's going to be like years down the road for my kids and their kids.
happy weekend, bag lickers.
This makes Watergate look like a girl scout operation.
Unless I completely misread something, I assume the issue is the memo leaves out that Page was under surveillance long before this dossier business.
There's also no characterization of the information used to re-up the warrant (again, Page was already under FISA) as being false. I personally don't care where information came from if it is true...and neither does the law. CIs are paid. Spies are paid and paid for info.
Another thing: wasn't Page already kicked off the Trump campaign at the time they are bitching about this?
Maybe I am off my rocker, but it all stinks as an attempt to redirect media focus....and for that the memo has worked beautifully.
Honestly the spent 3 years listening in and didnt find anything?!?!? And we all know with the leaks coming out of adam schiffs office and the mueller investigation we would have heard about it if they had found anything.
another kooky conspiracy theory from a right wing nut. but I have to give him
credit his dherd nutcasecon conspiracy is more interesting than the "THE MEMO".
POOR FOOLS HAVE BEEN HAD AGAIN. IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THERE ARE
PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD WHO ARE SO GULLIBLE. BUT THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY
ENOUGHT OF THEM FOR FOX AINT NEWS ITS PROPAGANDA TO MAKE MILLIONAIRES
OUT OF IDIOTS LIKE SEAN HANNITY AND PUT A TRAITOR IN THE OVAL OFFICE
"CI's" are paid by political opponents to write "intelligence" reports (aka "dossier") on their competition, so warrants can be obtained for unprecedented government monitoring of an opponent?
And yes, today's memo stated the most important support for the reinstituted FISA warrant was the dossier......(which still remains uncorroborated)
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
I don't get your reply here...are you claiming the information was false? Because the memo doesn't even claim that.
And again, if Page had already been shitcanned from the campaign, how was this particular reupping of the FISA warrant on Page targeting "through opposition"?
It all seems more to me that separate of anything to do with Trump or the campaign Carter Page was a known piece of shit. Any investigation into him can of course be separate of the campaign...and apparently was. I bet his ass ends up behind bars.
He wasn't the only one under surveillance by a long shot.
I’m claiming the dossier (paid for by Clinton surrogates) has not been proven to be accurate. And that it was used primarily to reinstate FISA warrants to monitor campaign activities of the opposing party’s candidacy....which ultimately has lead to a frivolous independent counsel investigation. This is really nothing like the CI analogy you offered.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456089/memo-released-what-should-come-next
Parts of the dossier have been confirmed true, by Carter Page himself. They had to renew the FISA warrant three times every 90 days. There must have been more than just the dossier to get three separate renewals.
This whole defense that Trump is using as well as his supporters is straight out of the OJ Simpson playbook. When you can't refute the facts what do you do? You attack the investigation. Discredit everyone involved. It's truly pathetic.
You do know that when they (the FBI) were monitoring Page that he wasn't involved with the Trump campaign anymore? The fisa warrant was issued after Carter Page left the campaign.
