Miami (OH) Betting Odds

[bbneutralfan]

OddShark has Miami winning fairly big in our home opener. Hope Doc uses this as part of the team preparation. A big loss in the home opener is not going to help matters. Yes I know - it is still a couple of months away and Vegas odd makers uncertain about the Herd.

 

[korun]

Its going to be a very long year.

 

[jocktalker]

A football season is a marathon, not a sprint.

 

[oldeherd]

A football season is a marathon, not a sprint.

Marathon or sprint, jocktalker, there's no denying that under Doc and staff, the Herd hardly got out of the blocks in 2016. The program and school can hardly stand a repeat, or something similar, in 2017!!!

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

2016, Abberation or constellation of times to come?

There are glaring questions.

I remember seeing Brian Anderson tear up because he was trying so hard, had such heart but coming in the heart of the shambles of the snide era he just didn't live up to fan expectations.But he had HEART and the want to win and the will to win. Last years team combined didn't have the heart Anderson had. That is what has been the most disturbing part of this team.

Vegas has good reason, and if there if ever were a gamble it's paper Chase.

My take make your true leaders, your captains, Yuracheck and Bee. Build team nucleus around them and hopefully eek out a win over the Redhawks to start the season with a win.

 

[jocktalker]

Marathon or sprint, jocktalker, there's no denying that under Doc and staff, the Herd hardly got out of the blocks in 2016. The program and school can hardly stand a repeat, or something similar, in 2017!!!

I understand your point but I've seen many teams, over the years, stumble out of the gate, recover and finish strongly. It shouldn't be that difficult to do in this conference even if Marshall stumbles in the opener IMO.

 

[bbneutralfan]

The problem jocktalker (if you have been around Herd football in the past) then you should know how fickle fans can be. A Herd loss in the home opener and many fans will walk away and that's a fact. MH and Marshall athletics simply cannot afford a potential financial disaster in light of state budget cuts to the rest of the university as fans will say "Oh well wait till next year!"

 

[herdinmichigan]

What's the spread as of now?

 

[BisonPa]

Vegasinsider.com has Marshall as a 8.5 point underdog.

 

[herdinmichigan]

that's about 11.5 points then home always gets 3 points.

 

[docblaze]

is pick em now.

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

is pick em now.

Hmmm a week after Phil Steele released his article....an 11 point spread magically disappeared.

Yeah Phil has no idea what he is talking about right eerbillys?

Midol and yellow flying W tee duo sale tomorrow at Walmart ! Y'all stock up!

 

[sistersville]

Wv is underdogs in 7 of 12 games.

 

[bbneutralfan]

Oddsshark.com predicting a Miami (OH) win - 32-14.

 

[The Real SamC]

Anybody who bets individual games this early deserves to lose. Maybe the first game, but these stories about this or that team is an underdog in these many games are just for suckers. Wait until game week.

Anyway, the South Point season totals, which is the smart summer bet are:

MU 5

MU Schedule:
Little Miami 8
NC State 6.5
Cincy 5
Kent 3.5
UNCC 4
ODU 6.5
MTSU 7.5
FIU 4.5
FAU 4
WKU 9.5
UTSA 6.5
USM 7.5

Rest of league:

LTU 9
UNT 4
Rice 3.5
UAB 2.5
UTEP 2.5

Local

OU 7.5
OSU 10.5
UK 7
VPI 8.5
WVU 6

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Hmmm a week after Phil Steele released his article....an 11 point spread magically disappeared.

Yeah Phil has no idea what he is talking about right eerbillys?

Midol and yellow flying W tee duo sale tomorrow at Walmart ! Y'all stock up!

First, it was an 8 point spread, not 11.

Second, you think that Phil Steele releasing his magazine wiped out an 8 point spread? How old are you and what is your MU degree in, again?

 

[-CarlHungus-]

YAG Si Ye Nots or others more well versed in sports betting can correct me if I'm wrong...

but is the goal of the line not to just induce the maximum amount of bets evenly spaced between both teams? It's my understanding that the book makes the most money (or at least the safest/most profit over the lung run) if bets are spaced evenly so that the fees they acquire are maximized.

So the goal isn't to guess the exact score differential per se, it's really to put out a score differential that will push the public to find the game enticing to bet on, hopefully fairly evenly spaced between each team?

Do I have this right?

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Do I have this right?

That's correct. Books can and will manipulate lines in order to sway more betting on a particular side in order for them to increase the juice (the gap they earn on a bet) or to balance the bets to safeguard them from taking a big loss if most bets are placed on one side.

It's funny- I showed just how bad Steele was in his C-USA predictions last year when somebody raised the question. I invited them to ask about another conference, and I would post how he did with his predictions. Nobody took that offer. I also explained how Steele is able to easily fudge his predictions so that the average reader thinks his predictions were accurate from the year before. Nobody contested it, yet they still believe his book like the bible.

Steele is a great marketer. That is it.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

That's correct. Books can and will manipulate lines in order to sway more betting on a particular side in order for them to increase the juice (the gap they earn on a bet) or to balance the bets to safeguard them from taking a big loss if most bets are placed on one side.

It's funny- I showed just how bad Steele was in his C-USA predictions last year when somebody raised the question. I invited them to ask about another conference, and I would post how he did with his predictions. Nobody took that offer. I also explained how Steele is able to easily fudge his predictions so that the average reader thinks his predictions were accurate from the year before. Nobody contested it, yet they still believe his book like the bible.

Steele is a great marketer. That is it.

Thanks for the clarification.

One summer long ago I read quite a bit about contrarian sports betting (ie not researching match ups to make your own line/plays, but figuring out which side the "public" factor was in the vegas line and going against that side). It seemed to make sense in theory, but I thought the theory was more interesting than me actually putting up real money and diving in, so I never did.

 

[bbneutralfan]

Oddsshark.com still favors Miami by 18.

 

[UBeenThunderStruck]

I can see why, who would bet on this game?! 18 points might draw some folks to put down money on Marshall, after last years performances I wouldn't drop a dime!

 

[bbneutralfan]

A home opening loss will not help at all - especially in terms of fan support.

 

[The Real SamC]

A home opening loss will not help at all - especially in terms of fan support.

Yep. MU always draws well for the first game, but if we lose to Little Miami, we are looking at selling an 0-2 team versus what many Herd fans look at as a field filler team in week 3, and best case scenario 2-3 in week 6, followed by a cheap victory over a directional Florida and then two assreamings. A wet cold November day for USM for a team long out of bowl eligiability could be the all time low gate.

 

[Herd-nificent]

This year's opener is not just the first game....it's against little Miami.

The team that ran the score up on the Young Herd after the crash.

To me it's the most important game of the year !!!

 

[JudgeDD]

This year's opener is not just the first game....it's against little Miami.

The team that ran the score up on the Young Herd after the crash.

To me it's the most important game of the year !!!

I don't get this generational/institutional blame thing. Many of the fathers of these players weren't even born yet. The coaching staff was, at best, just children when this happened. Hate them as a rival, or for a dozen different reasons. But because of the decision of a coach nearly 50 years ago? Definitely not my thing. And the most important game of the year? I don't share that sentiment either.

 

[Herdmeister]

I don't get this generational/institutional blame thing. Many of the fathers of these players weren't even born yet. The coaching staff was, at best, just children when this happened. Hate them as a rival, or for a dozen different reasons. But because of the decision of a coach nearly 50 years ago? Definitely not my thing. And the most important game of the year? I don't share that sentiment either.

And in fact if you talk to the coaching staff that was there that day, they will tell you that Miami did about all they could to, short of simply lying down to NOT run up the score.

 

[The Real SamC]

Little Miami ran up the score. Ernie Salvatore hated Little Miami unti the day he died. He would go the any type of Marshall - Miami (not the real one, the one in Ohio) game. Women's softball, whatever, and openly cheer, which is a no-no for sports writers. All because of it running up the score in 71.

I get that it was nearly 50 years ago and everybody involved is dead or really old, but so what? I you need another reason to hate Miami (not the real one, the one in Ohio) their alumni are so f***ing arrogant. Like they went to f***ing Harvard or something. Hey, it is a nice state college. It is more selective than Marshall. I'm sure there are a lot of books and testtubes and microscopes and the like. But it is a f***ing state college in a wide spot in the road in corn country. Get over yourselves.

 

[bbneutralfan]

JudgeDD I understand your point. I am now 70 and was in Oxford, Ohio on that October afternoon with my dad and brother when Miami rang up 66 points against us. Someone posted that the Miami coaching staff did not run up the score. Really? We were just months after the crash playing essentially a freshman team against which Miami offered no mercy. Now your generation should remember the God-awful beating Western Kentucky handed to us in 2016 ringing up 60 points on us. That coaching staff did not call off the dogs either. My point JudgeDD both losses are relevant to the generations that were present to witness both ass-kickings that the Herd had to endure.

 

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