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Muslim flight attendant suspended for not serving alcohol

Airline execs are all nazis. Freedom of religion? Pffft! I bet the liberals help fund the airlines to influence this decision.
 
She absolutely should not be suspended for something that goes against her religious beliefs.

What? Did you actually think I would support the airline?
 
She took a job where part of the job description is to serve alcohol and then she refuses to do it. You really think the airlines should make an exception? I'm not in favor of abortions so I'd never go to work in an abortion clinic. My convictions drive my job choice. These people have the same choice.

Maybe I'm missing something but it is beyond my comprehension how a person can think that employers can't expect their employees to do the very job that their business needs to do to exist.
 
BC, what if one of your bank tellers believed that handling money was against their religious beliefs, as it focused on materialism instead of spirituality? Should the teller be able to keep their job?
 
They knew she was a Muslim going into it when they hired her. That is on the employer not her.

She should not have been fired for a religious belief. You cannot discriminate when hiring based on a religious belief.
 
Let's say I hire a black guy. And I tell him.his first duty everyday is the raise the Confederate flag while Dixie is being played.
 
Are bank lending practices unbiblical?

“If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not be like a moneylender; charge him no interest” (Exodus 22:25; see also Psalm 15:5). This prohibition against charging interest actually included “food or anything else that may earn interest” (Deuteronomy 23:19). The purpose of the law was two-fold: an interest-bearing loan would only exacerbate the plight of the poor, and God promised a blessing on the gracious lender that would far surpass any interest he would make. Additionally, at the end of every seven years, creditors were to cancel all the debts they were owed by fellow Israelites (Deuteronomy 15:1).

In the New Testament, Jesus tells us not to “turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you” (Matthew 5:42). He applied this principle even to our enemies in their time of need: “But love your enemies and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great” (Luke 6:35, emphasis added). Indeed, there are numerous passages throughout the Bible exhorting us to have a generous and giving heart, especially to the less fortunate. Moses taught his people, “If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. Rather be openhanded and freely lend him whatever he needs” (Deuteronomy 15:7-8).
 
i am herdman said:
They knew she was a Muslim going into it when they hired her. That is on the employer not her.

She should not have been fired for a religious belief. You cannot discriminate when hiring based on a religious belief.
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Do you not see the complete hypocrisy between your first paragraph and second paragraph?

In the first paragraph, you fault the employer because they supposedly knew she was a Muslim when they hired her. So, you blame them for hiring her knowing her job duties may contrast with her religious beliefs.

Yet, in the second paragraph, you claim an employer can't discriminate in the basis of religion when hiring.

So, according to you, the employer is screwed if they do, screwed if they don't.

You and BC really aren't thinking about this. You are trying to argue based on the beliefs you guys want to have, not what is logical.
 
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Herdman, let's say you hire me as your sales assistant. I am a devout Muslim or Mormon (in extragreed's case, I can be both at the same time). My job is to mingle with clients and prospects and entertain them, almost all of which, requires me to provide them with alcohol. I am aware of this job duty while being interviewed. I don't dispute that I am able to perform it.

Three months into my employment, I tell you that I can no longer do a key function of my job, entertain the clients with alcohol present, because of my religious beliefs. At this point, you have no use for me.

Should I be allowed to be let go for not being able to fulfill the job requirements I agreed to when hired because of my religious beliefs or should you have to continue paying me part of your salary while having no other use for me?
 
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i am herdman said:
They knew she was a Muslim going into it when they hired her. That is on the employer not her.

She should not have been fired for a religious belief. You cannot discriminate when hiring based on a religious belief.
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Did you read the article?
 
riflearm2 said:
Herdman, let's say is hire me as your sales assistant. I am a devout Muslim or Mormon (in extragreed's case, I can be both at the same time). My job is to mingle with clients and prospects and entertain them, almost all of which, requires me to provide them with alcohol. I am aware of this job duty while being interviewed. I don't dispute that I am able to perform it.

Three months into my employment, I tell you that I can no longer do a key function of my job, entertain the clients with alcohol present, because of my religious beliefs. At this point, you have no use for me.

Should I be allowed to be let go for not being able to fulfill the job requirements I agreed to when hired because of my religious beliefs or should you have to continue paying me part of your salary while having no other use for me?
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You are a silly man.
 
Let's say my employer tells me
riflearm2 said:
Do you not see the complete hypocrisy between your first paragraph and second paragraph?

In the first paragraph, you fault the employer because they supposedly knew she was a Muslim when they hired her. So, you blame them for hiring her knowing her job duties may contrast with her religious beliefs.

Yet, in the second paragraph, you claim an employer can't discriminate in the basis of religion when hiring.

So, according to you, the employer is screwed if they do, screwed if they don't.

You and BC really aren't thinking about this. You are trying to argue based on the beliefs you guys want to have, not what is logical.
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I meant exactly what I wrote. They knew going into once they hired her they had just hired a muslim.

So, deal with it.
 
riflearm2 said:
Herdman, let's say you hire me as your sales assistant. I am a devout Muslim or Mormon (in extragreed's case, I can be both at the same time). My job is to mingle with clients and prospects and entertain them, almost all of which, requires me to provide them with alcohol. I am aware of this job duty while being interviewed. I don't dispute that I am able to perform it.

Three months into my employment, I tell you that I can no longer do a key function of my job, entertain the clients with alcohol present, because of my religious beliefs. At this point, you have no use for me.

Should I be allowed to be let go for not being able to fulfill the job requirements I agreed to when hired because of my religious beliefs or should you have to continue paying me part of your salary while having no other use for me?
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I would blame myself for hiring you in the first place. In addition, you can entertain clients without alcohol. I work with plenty of Christians who do millions without drinking.

If you are a good employee and rep, I keep you and we work around the issue. Not a deal breaker to me. I am smarter than that. I would never dismiss a good employee because of them not participating in alcohol.
 
riflearm2 said:
BC, what if one of your bank tellers believed that handling money was against their religious beliefs, as it focused on materialism instead of spirituality? Should the teller be able to keep their job?
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I would tell them that the practice of simply handling a dollar bill doesn't contradict any of their religious beliefs whatsoever. Being party to gay marriage, however, does.
 
Jesus Christ. I'm dealing with two absolute morons here.

THEY WERE HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS!

BC, YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF HANDLING MONEY VIOLATED HER RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR NOT! MY HYPOTHETICAL STATED THAT THEY DID, SO HOW CAN YOU ARGUE THAT HANDLING MONEY DOESNT WITHOUT KNOWING HER RELIGIOUS BELIEFS?

HERDMAN, YOU DEALING WITH CHRISTIANS AND BEING ABLE TO ENTERTAIN WITHOUT ALCOHOL IS IRRELEVANT. IN THE HYPOTHETICAL, YOUR EMPLOYEE IS ONLY NEEDED TO ENTERTAIN DURING EVENTS WHERE ALCOHOL IS PROVIDED!

There are so many holes in both of your attempted arguments that it makes you both loo
 
Holes in my argument? Find me a religion that advocates against handling money. When you can find a real world example, get back to me. Made up scenarios just to fit your argument don't work.
 
This thinking goes over your head.

BC, there are thousands of religions out there. The point is that if an employer is forced to make exemptions for every single religious belief for every single religious person, businesses would be paying many people with no work to give them.

I could create my own religion with beliefs only I follow. Those beliefs would be that I can't work with or service any non-white, non-male, non-Christians. Should an employer be forced to continue paying me even though I can't do any work for them?

What if I am atheist at first while employed, but convert to Mormonism after a few years. My job as a bartender doesn't allow me to serve alcohol. Should the bar still have to employ me?

What if I were a mormon while starting employment, but claimed that serving alcohol was no problem for me? Then, a few years into it, I became more devout in my religious beliefs and decided those beliefs prohibit me from handling alcohol.
 
i am herdman said:
Yes. She converted to Islam one month after being hired. They knew they had a Muslim about a month into it.

You can't fire someone for their religious convictions.
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Wait, I thought they knew going into it that she is a Muslim.
 
Doesn't matter. You can't legally fire people for religious beliefs.
 
You can if it creates undue hardship on the employer or other employees.
 
They should 100% be able to fire the flight attendant. She has a right to her freedom of religion. She does not have a right to hold a particular job.
 
extragreen said:
You can if it creates undue hardship on the employer or other employees.
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Sort of a technical point but you can't fire someone for their religion. If a Muslim decides they're fine with serving alcohol you can't say "you're skeeving people out by being Muslim you're fired." It all depends on whether the person can do the job or not.

It's funny watching herdman tie himself in knots trying to defend the Muslim attendant.
 
HerdandHokies said:
Sort of a technical point but you can't fire someone for their religion. If a Muslim decides they're fine with serving alcohol you can't say "you're skeeving people out by being Muslim you're fired." It all depends on whether the person can do the job or not.

It's funny watching herdman tie himself in knots trying to defend the Muslim attendant.
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Of course you can't fire someone for their religion or religious beliefs. It's the actions or inactions in following that belief.
 
You can't fire a woman for getting pregnant. Hell, the sissy men can't take maternity leave now as well.

A pregnant woman who works in the warehouse can't lift over 12 lbs. She can't take off for thee months and you have to hold her job.

I am defending the muslim woman because libtards brought about all this shi* so I hope they sue till the cows come home.
 
For the pregnant woman you have to hold her job, but you don't have to keep bringing her in and paying her if she can't do a job there.
 
i am herdman said:
Let's say my employer tells me


I meant exactly what I wrote. They knew going into once they hired her they had just hired a muslim.

So, deal with it.
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I know Muslims who drink alcohol. I know some that smoke pot and snort coke as well. I have ate a sausage and pepperoni pizza with a Muslim and a Jew. It is rather presumptions of you to assume all Muslims are devout.
 
Never said they were all devout.

I actually took a Muslim guy to lunch and he had never had pizza. He let me order.

He like the pepperoni and sausage. Poor guy never knew what he was eating.
 
Herdman the airline tried making numerous accommodations for her and she continued to complain. If you can't do your job and are unwilling to be flexible in job duties then you'll get fired. Religion has nothing tondo with it. Refuse to answer your bosses phone call and claim to be Amish. See how long you have a job
 
I never answer his calls anyway. I am always helping a customer when he calls.
 
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