NCAA To Discuss Restructuring of All 3 Divisions
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Pretty simple, they'll take the top 50 or so football schools, a few b'ball only powerhouses, and make them D1A
We'll fall into to the D1AA category like old times and the bottom 20 or so D1 playing schools will be glorified FCS or whatever they want to call it. jmho
I'm cool with that. We weren't gonna get into the big boy party any way.
We'll fall into to the D1AA category like old times and the bottom 20 or so D1 playing schools will be glorified FCS or whatever they want to call it. jmho
I'm cool with that. We weren't gonna get into the big boy party any way.
It’s way past time for a split. And more of the blame goes it ESPN in my opinion.
Well, with our "lame duck" President and the state of flux at the top of our Athletic Administration, lets just hope that we don't wind up in the equivalent of the Current Division 3 group, when all the pieces fall into place after all the movement, realignment, etc., shakes out!
NCAA "Restructuring"
Division 1: We pay you.
Division 2: Break even. You practice/play for a scholarship.
Division 3. You pay us for the opportunity to tell others you played college sports.
Division 1: We pay you.
Division 2: Break even. You practice/play for a scholarship.
Division 3. You pay us for the opportunity to tell others you played college sports.
I am thinking more
1 we pay you alot
2 local pay for the top players, and some bit amounts for the other minor contributors.
3 you get a college education paid for
Small caveat:
When players in level 2 become “top players”, they get to go to the top level where they can be paid a lot.
Fun, fun, fun. Can’t wait to see our good players playing at Ohio State one day for a National Title. Too bad Steve & Barry’s shut down because I might have bought me a $10 Buckeyes sweatshirt for the title run 👍
It's worth noting that when they say "all 3 NCAA Divisions, it includes DII. We could end up with 4; not just 3. I think that's where this is headed. Some top FCS schools could be moved to a Division with the G5 also. It will be interesting to see where independents shake out in this too and what further impact it will have on conference membership. I think there will be more than 50 schools in the top division in the end because this is not just a football thing - maybe as many as 100 + 20 or so non Football schools? Whatever it is, I'm sure the NCAA will screw it up like they always do. They're so damned near sighted and they are so controlled by the media and their money.
My guess is Division 1 will be split in two
The Super Division of 60 or so teams.
The next Sub Division of what is the current remaining 50 or so teams. That is where we will go.
Division II will be the current FCS
DIII will be the rest.
The interesting thing will be what happens to a team like UCF? Let's take Wake Forest for example? At this point what do they offer the ACC? not reall good historically in football and not real huge in basketball. Does Clemson stay in the ACC? Does North Carolina? What does NC State do? Are they a top 60 football program? Do state legislatures step in? What does a school like Duke do if the ACC busts up? Or some teams leave for a Super SEC?
There are whole list of ramifications because if you make a 60 team powerhouse football division then some teams that currently get a slice of that pie might get left out.
The Super Division of 60 or so teams.
The next Sub Division of what is the current remaining 50 or so teams. That is where we will go.
Division II will be the current FCS
DIII will be the rest.
The interesting thing will be what happens to a team like UCF? Let's take Wake Forest for example? At this point what do they offer the ACC? not reall good historically in football and not real huge in basketball. Does Clemson stay in the ACC? Does North Carolina? What does NC State do? Are they a top 60 football program? Do state legislatures step in? What does a school like Duke do if the ACC busts up? Or some teams leave for a Super SEC?
There are whole list of ramifications because if you make a 60 team powerhouse football division then some teams that currently get a slice of that pie might get left out.
SCOTUS says no entity can limit how much the players are paid. Thus the divisional limits cannot be based on some pay scale.
Since all 3 divisions are mentioned, remember what D III is. It is a "no scholarship" true amateur deal the NCAA funds the administration of out of its profits. As the NCAA is becoming totally irrelevant, these schools will be told to figure it out on their own.
Then we have D II. The main difference in D II and the NAIA is not level of competition, it is that D II funds travel and expenses for championships, and the NAIA doesn't. Again, I think the D II schools will be told to figure it out on their own.
Which brings us the DI. Now we have three parts to consider here.
First is football. As to I-A (or FBS) the NCAA no longer matters. It is being run by the Walt Disney Company. Now can they really make a smaller "super programs" deal? That is a question for lawyers and courts. Sounds a lot like collusion in restraint of trade, doesn't it? As to I-AA (or FCS), unlike in our time where we lost money by advancing in the playoffs, the NCAA funds the deal out of the basketball $$. Do we really NEED an in-between division, a "I-Aa" ? Really? So there is an ESPN mega schools champion out of 50 schools; then a not quite that champion out of the remining 70; then a not quite that out of the 90 or so in I-AA, and the a D II champion. Sounds like everybody gets a trophy and an orange slice to me. So if the top 50 are out, everybody else is I-AA.
Second is basketball. The NCAA pays for EVERYTHING via basketball. It does not what to see what happened to football happen to basketball, but I don't think it can be helped.
Then there is everything else. Again, paid for by basketball profits. Won't be anymore. The NCAA will rent a venue and buy some trophies, but that is all. Figure out your own hotels and transportation on your own.
Since all 3 divisions are mentioned, remember what D III is. It is a "no scholarship" true amateur deal the NCAA funds the administration of out of its profits. As the NCAA is becoming totally irrelevant, these schools will be told to figure it out on their own.
Then we have D II. The main difference in D II and the NAIA is not level of competition, it is that D II funds travel and expenses for championships, and the NAIA doesn't. Again, I think the D II schools will be told to figure it out on their own.
Which brings us the DI. Now we have three parts to consider here.
First is football. As to I-A (or FBS) the NCAA no longer matters. It is being run by the Walt Disney Company. Now can they really make a smaller "super programs" deal? That is a question for lawyers and courts. Sounds a lot like collusion in restraint of trade, doesn't it? As to I-AA (or FCS), unlike in our time where we lost money by advancing in the playoffs, the NCAA funds the deal out of the basketball $$. Do we really NEED an in-between division, a "I-Aa" ? Really? So there is an ESPN mega schools champion out of 50 schools; then a not quite that champion out of the remining 70; then a not quite that out of the 90 or so in I-AA, and the a D II champion. Sounds like everybody gets a trophy and an orange slice to me. So if the top 50 are out, everybody else is I-AA.
Second is basketball. The NCAA pays for EVERYTHING via basketball. It does not what to see what happened to football happen to basketball, but I don't think it can be helped.
Then there is everything else. Again, paid for by basketball profits. Won't be anymore. The NCAA will rent a venue and buy some trophies, but that is all. Figure out your own hotels and transportation on your own.
"Lame duck president" ?? You couldn't be more wrong.
But you're old af so its ok that you can't keep up.
Your WF example is why I think the Super Division you speak of, will be closer to 40 or so.
The SEC has shown us that it is money driven with Texas joining. They'll all takr the highest earning programs and leave everyone else.
It’ll never happen, but I’d love to see a relegation system put into place.
"In today's football action Kansas will take on Chadron State in NCAA Division II play."
Ummm. He is leaving. Doesn't matter the reason(s). We have instability at the President and Athletic Director positions in a time when the entire sport is in flux.
He IS a lame duck president. What is wrong with that statement? Anyone that a known date of his/her departure is a lame duck
I admire your confident rebuttal whether you know what lame duck means or not.
“Lame duck” is when a politician or position of power/leadership is serving in the position when the duration of the service has been defined and a successor has been named or the process of selecting the successor has started. Coach K is a lame duck coach at Duke. Gilbert is a lame duck at Marshall. O’Malley is not because he is seeking the permanent job so his end date is not definite.
Relegation would be great but as you said, will never happen. Reward the schools who try to be good and keep those who don't, at the bottom.
As the man said, dunce, check a dictionary! Oh, wait! That would require the ability to read and comprehend!! In your case, NEVERMIND!
"Just a reminder everyone, the NCAA is still in charge, and we're going to prove it by having a meeting to discuss how we would arrange college athletics were we still in charge of anything, which we are clearly not."
