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New study says illegals may have voted in election

“A New Jersey think tank” Wel I’ll be damned. If only trump could put together a committee to get to the bottom of this.
 
"On the low side, the authors noted that only five non-citizens who said they voted were recorded in the Catalist database as voting."
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what are you talking about EG? From the article- In 2008, as many as 5.7 million noncitizens voted in the election . In 2012, as many as 3.6 million voted, the study said.No where in the article does it say what you claim.
 
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what are you talking about EG? From the article- In 2008, as many as 5.7 million noncitizens voted in the election . In 2012, as many as 3.6 million voted, the study said.No where in the article does it say what you claim.

You didn't read the article provided by the link your article on which it was based. This is what you get when you read the linked article.......
https://www.justfactsdaily.com/substantial-numbers-of-non-citizens-vote-illegally-in-u-s-elections/
 
And the FIVE are not proven to have voted. Not a single one them.
first off, the information you reference is related to the 2008 election and further indicates: If these were the only people who voted, it would mean that 1.5% (5/339) of non-citizens voted. Applied to 19.4 million adult non-citizens, this amounts to 290,000 votes. After weighting these results and accounting for margins of error, the authors estimated that a bare minimum of 38,000 non-citizens voted in the 2008 election.

additionally regarding the 2008 election: survey of 32,800 respondents, 339 identified themselves as non-citizens, and 38 of these non-citizens checked a box that said “I definitely voted” in the 2008 general election or were recorded in the Catalist database as voting in that election. At face value, this means that 11.2% (38/339) of non-citizens voted in the 2008 election.

Applying this 11.2% figure to the Census Bureau’s estimate of 19.4 million adult non-citizens in the U.S., this amounts to 2.2 million non-citizens who voted illegally in the 2008 election. After weighting these results and accounting for margins of error, the authors estimated that a maximum of 2.8 million non-citizens voted in 2008.

from your link regarding the 2016 election:

The number of non-citizens who voted in the 2016 election may be significantly higher than in 2008, because:

  • Trump campaigned on a promise to crack down on illegal immigration, and this may have driven non-citizens to vote against him.
  • the number of adult non-citizens in the U.S. recorded by the Census Bureau has risen from 19.4 million in 2008 to 21.0 million in 2016.
  • shortly before the election, Obama publicly stated that election records are not cross-checked against immigration databases and “there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.” This let non-citizens know that they stand little chance of being caught if they vote.
Likewise, early in 2016, the Obama administration supported a court injunction to prevent Kansas, Alabama, and Georgia from requiring people to provide proof of citizenship in order to register to vote.

some things never change: you're still an idiot.
 
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first off, the information you reference is related to the 2008 election and further indicates: If these were the only people who voted, it would mean that 1.5% (5/339) of non-citizens voted. Applied to 19.4 million adult non-citizens, this amounts to 290,000 votes. After weighting these results and accounting for margins of error, the authors estimated that a bare minimum of 38,000 non-citizens voted in the 2008 election.

additionally regarding the 2008 election: survey of 32,800 respondents, 339 identified themselves as non-citizens, and 38 of these non-citizens checked a box that said “I definitely voted” in the 2008 general election or were recorded in the Catalist database as voting in that election. At face value, this means that 11.2% (38/339) of non-citizens voted in the 2008 election.

Applying this 11.2% figure to the Census Bureau’s estimate of 19.4 million adult non-citizens in the U.S., this amounts to 2.2 million non-citizens who voted illegally in the 2008 election. After weighting these results and accounting for margins of error, the authors estimated that a maximum of 2.8 million non-citizens voted in 2008.

from your link regarding the 2016 election:

The number of non-citizens who voted in the 2016 election may be significantly higher than in 2008, because:

  • Trump campaigned on a promise to crack down on illegal immigration, and this may have driven non-citizens to vote against him.
  • the number of adult non-citizens in the U.S. recorded by the Census Bureau has risen from 19.4 million in 2008 to 21.0 million in 2016.
  • shortly before the election, Obama publicly stated that election records are not cross-checked against immigration databases and “there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.” This let non-citizens know that they stand little chance of being caught if they vote.
Likewise, early in 2016, the Obama administration supported a court injunction to prevent Kansas, Alabama, and Georgia from requiring people to provide proof of citizenship in order to register to vote.

some things never change: you're still an idiot.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/illegal-immigrants-2008-election/
 
You didn't read the article provided by the link your article on which it was based. This is what you get when you read the linked article.......
https://www.justfactsdaily.com/substantial-numbers-of-non-citizens-vote-illegally-in-u-s-elections/
I didn't cite that article so I didn't base any of my thoughts on any number of articles out there. Since you brought it up that article: it said this, "These media reports and Trump’s comment are all misleading. There is material evidence of substantial vote fraud, though it does not prove that Trump would have won the popular vote if such fraud were prevented. It only shows that this is a possibility.

here is another statement in this second article you somehow think proves you right. After weighting these results and accounting for margins of error, the authors estimated that a maximum of 2.8 million non-citizens voted in 2008.

here is another point. This evidence is documented in a 2014 paper published by the journal Electoral Studies. Based on survey data and election records, the authors of this paper found that the number of non-citizens who voted illegally in the 2008 election ranged “from just over 38,000 at the very minimum to nearly 2.8 million at the maximum.” Their “best estimate” is that 1.2 million or “6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”

Both articles argue that voter fraud did occur. There is disagreement as to how many millions voted.
 
Yes, it does, moron.
EG I know you are in love with Snopes but they are no longer taken serious by anyone who has even half a brain working. They may have started out with good intentions when they were dealing with urban myths. Today they have discredited themselves over and over due to their liberal bias.It is actually a shame because at one time they were fun to look at. So I do not consider them a legitimate source no matter how many times you tell me they are or how many names you call me....Got it. o_O
 
EG I know you are in love with Snopes but they are no longer taken serious by anyone who has even half a brain working. They may have started out with good intentions when they were dealing with urban myths. Today they have discredited themselves over and over due to their liberal bias.It is actually a shame because at one time they were fun to look at. So I do not consider them a legitimate source no matter how many times you tell me they are or how many names you call me....Got it. o_O

^^^ which is part of the reason I consider you a moron.^^^
http://time.com/4669899/illegal-citizens-voting-trump/
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...illion-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/
 
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PolitiFact, another popular fact checking organization, also published a misleading analysis of this issue. This pertains to the number of non-citizens who are registered to vote, which is another finding from the 2014 Electoral Studies paper. PolitiFact says that “Trump accurately cites the study” but is still wrong, because the study was “rebutted multiple times for the methodology it uses.”

PolitiFact then gives the distinct impression that the people who conducted the study are nobodies who merely wrote an article for the “Monkey Cage” blog of the Washington Post. PolitiFact does this by failing to mention that the study was published in a peer-reviewedacademic journal and by failing to cite any credentials of the study or its authors, even though two of them, Jesse Richman and David Earnest, are university professors.

In stark contrast, PolitiFact touts the study’s critics with phrases like “three experts,” “peer-reviewed article,” “a political science professor,” “an election expert,” “an associate policy analyst,” and “experts who actually gathered the underlying data.”

PolitiFact’s analysis provides no indication that anyone in this organization read the body of the original paper, read the authors’ replies to their critics, or judiciously examined any of the attacks on the paper. It simply portrays the authors as unaccomplished and their critics as reliable.

This appeal to authority is especially deceitful given that two of the three “experts who actually gathered the underlying data” have made donations to left-leaning political causes. These are Brian Schaffner and Samantha Luks, who are among the three scholars who wrote the 2015 paper in Electoral Studies that criticized the original paper.

In 2004, Schaffner donated to America Coming Together, a liberal organization “heavily funded by billionaire George Soros” that was “on the cutting edge of national politics.” In 2016, Schaffner gave $250 to Hillary Clinton, and Luks donated to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

Incidentally, the same federal records show no political donations for the three authors of the original study.

In sum, PolitiFact neglects the actual facts of this complex issue and makes it seem as if this is a case of “the experts” versus people with no credibility. That is not fact-checking but shilling for a particular point of view.

Conclusion

Contrary to the claims of certain major media outlets and fact checkers, a comprehensive analysis of this issue shows that substantial numbers of non-citizens vote illegally in U.S. elections.
 
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How can the fact that illegals are voting even be questioned? There's nothing to keep them from doing it, and our last President and several other dem leaders have encouraged them to do it. The only questions are: (1) how many do it, and (2) is it enough to make any significant impact?
 
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Many of you discredit Snopes. Why is that? I can only imagine it is because one of their researchers espouses Democratic beliefs in her personal life. So that means she can't be non-biased in her professional life and means the entire site is tainted?

Have a little common sense.
 
Many of you discredit Snopes. Why is that? I can only imagine it is because one of their researchers espouses Democratic beliefs in her personal life. So that means she can't be non-biased in her professional life and means the entire site is tainted?

Have a little common sense.
So you like parts of National Review and Limbaugh Letter?
 
So you like parts of National Review and Limbaugh Letter?

Let me dumb it down for you:

Simply having a personal belief doesn't mean you can't do your job fairly and in an unbiased manner. If that were not the case, we wouldn't hire any judges because they'd all have rampant bias in their decisions.

Snopes reportedly has a researcher/employee who supports liberal views in her private life. That has no relevance to her professional work unless she allows it to impact that work. Limbaugh is a conservative both personally AND professionally, which would include the Limbaugh Letter. Can you see the difference?
 
For some reason you don't seem to understand a basic point in this discussion. I don't consider your sources valid and you mine. We are in a stalemate. No matter how much you huff and puff you aren't going to blow my house down with your lame arguments.

No, moron, the point you're missing is there is no proof for your allegations. Plus you are disregarding about 40 Republican governors who have found no such illegal voting in their states.
 
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