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NHR: SSAC reclass

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The SSAC announced their re-class of state high schools (effective in September) for the next 4 years. In a new twist, it simply decided to make AAA smaller (only 29 schools), demoting Lincoln County, Winfield, Oak Hill, Shady Spring, Elkins, Nitro, Lewis County, Logan, and Point Pleasant to AA, with no schools moving up. Ravenswood, Mount View, Webster County, Tolsia, Ritchie County, and Summers County move down from AA to A, while Man returns to AA from A.

Cabell Midland is the largest school in the state with 1965 students. There will be 29 AAA schools (meaning more than half will make the football playoffs), 44 in AA, and 54 in A, 10 of which do not play football.
 
Point was in the Cardinal for years. They would probably be very interested in joining.
 
The road to a state championship is pretty easy and watered down isn't it? 29 AAA teams? That is like 2 or 3 conferences. And on the lower end some of the schools have to be pretty small. The large schools would have to have a distinct advantage.
 
Some conferences already cints in both AAA and AA members. Geographically similiar and long standing rivalries between member schools. Big 10 Conference in North Central WV for example.

In the past, the SSAC used an overly simplistic approach to classification by equally dividing schools in three equal parts regardless of enrollment.

That's why Cabell- Midland, with 1,900 students and Elkins with 850 students, used tob both be classified in AAA. The new classification is much fairer.
 
Some conferences already cints in both AAA and AA members. Geographically similiar and long standing rivalries between member schools. Big 10 Conference in North Central WV for example.

In the past, the SSAC used an overly simplistic approach to classification by equally dividing schools in three equal parts regardless of enrollment.

That's why Cabell- Midland, with 1,900 students and Elkins with 850 students, used tob both be classified in AAA. The new classification is much fairer.

Gotcha. So half or slightly more make the state playoffs in AAA football?
 
What's your point? Only one team can win a state championship per class. Schools of like size will compete against each other.

Ugggh I was just asking. Trying to follow from afar. Just wondering, try to keep up with the hometown stuff every now and again.
 
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I think it's crazy that a state as small as WV have 3 classes at all. Should have 2 at most. So you win the AAA championship, you can boast that you are a state champion because you are better than 28 other schools.... Crazy!
 
The road to a state championship is pretty easy and watered down isn't it? 29 AAA teams? That is like 2 or 3 conferences. And on the lower end some of the schools have to be pretty small. The large schools would have to have a distinct advantage.

It really doesn't change AAA for football. The only quality team they lost is Point and they were only AAA for the past 4 years.
 
Reclassification is a cluster down here in South Carolina as well. We just went to 5 classifications with about 40 schools per class. The school I work at has about 1700 kids and we are in 5a the biggest school in our classification has over 3200. The top 4 schools from each region, there are anywhere from 5 to 7 teams per region make playoff. 32 of 40 teams make it to playoffs.
There's no easy solution to reclassifications in any state
 
The problem wv faces is that it really needs 4 classifications but doesn't have enough schools to do that. The gap in enrollment between the top of aaa and the bottom of aaa was huge. Making aaa smaller helps with that some.
 
The problem wv faces is that it really needs 4 classifications but doesn't have enough schools to do that. The gap in enrollment between the top of aaa and the bottom of aaa was huge. Making aaa smaller helps with that some.
I agree the enrollment issue is the same for South Carolina. We are playing teams with over twice the enrollment. There is literally no way for smaller teams to compete consistently.
 
The difference in a school with 900 and a school with 1,900 is far less on the field than the difference in a 100 student public school against a 450 student school. And 450-900 is less of a gap on the field than that, but still more than AAA.

Fairness is not having 29 in one class, then 95 in the other two. You could make 3 classes of the remaining 95 and it would balance out better.

Or we could go 8-man football for some of the smallest A schools.

Also, not sure why WV feels it has to be so rigid across the board. I wouldn't be totally against 4 classes for football (limit to 8 making playoffs), but staying at 3 classes for basketball.

And before anyone thinks I say this because of my alma mater, with the current numbers, they're going to be tied in with Bridgeport and Point Pleasant regardless. I really am looking out for the little guy...not the one that worries about enrollment at the top end.

Consolidation may be necessary in some cases but it isn't grandiose for everyone. This is clearly part of that. The Eastern Panhandle is adding schools and busting them apart and coming up with AAA-sized ones. I have to imagine Midland would be bursting at that size. That's a nearly 700 student increase in 15 years from what someone told me (although there could be confusion because numbers used to only be 10-12, not 9-12...even at that, it's a significant jump).

7 of the 16 schools that made the 1997 AAA playoffs are either AA or no longer exist. That's crazy to think about.

I'm not really spitting nails about it, but it will create logistical problems. There are a total of 5 AAA schools that exist between Princeton and Morgantown if you take US 19 off the turnpike to 79. That includes MoTown, University, Buckhannon-Upshur, Woodrow Wilson and Princeton. That's almost unbelievable.

Under the current basketball system, you will have AAA teams in 3-team sectionals who will get a bye to the sectional championship game, which means they'll automatically be in a regional. Basically, they could lose their first game, and they would still get a state tournament play-in game. I don't like that one bit. Especially when the smaller schools will have 7+ schools in the same section.

There's also a chance you'll end up with schools that have 25 baseball titles and 14 runner-ups in the past 31 years all in one regional. You could also end up with the softball regional of death, where literally the top 8 teams in the entire classification may be in one region, playing for one state tournament spot.

Lots of things wrong with the premise. Seems as though the small AAA's got catered to, at the expense of schools such as Hundred and other small public schools that will now be 4.5x smaller than the larger schools in their own division, with a much smaller drawing pool. That doesn't seem fair to me.
 
The road to a state championship is pretty easy and watered down isn't it? 29 AAA teams? That is like 2 or 3 conferences. And on the lower end some of the schools have to be pretty small. The large schools would have to have a distinct advantage.

16 make it but realistically only a few have a real shot at the title. It's a lot better in wv than in ky. They have 6 divisions and 32 teams from each division make the playoffs. It's silly. Every year some 1-9 or 2-8 teams get in the playoffs. A few 0-10 teams have made it because there were only 32 teams in the division.
 
Some conferences already cints in both AAA and AA members. Geographically similiar and long standing rivalries between member schools. Big 10 Conference in North Central WV for example.

In the past, the SSAC used an overly simplistic approach to classification by equally dividing schools in three equal parts regardless of enrollment.

That's why Cabell- Midland, with 1,900 students and Elkins with 850 students, used tob both be classified in AAA. The new classification is much fairer.

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The new classifications helped a little, but they can't be fixed without a 4A, which would just be silly as far as the number of teams in it,
 
You can only play 11 at a time in football. That's why the number isn't as relevant once you get over 900 kids or so.

As I said before, 425 vs. 870 is a bigger differential/impediment toward that 11 on the field.
 
16 teams in Class 4-A. All 16 teams make the playoffs. If you're 0-10 then get plastered 75-0 in a 1st round playoff game...sorry about your luck, at least you get back into the weight room first
 
You can only play 11 at a time in football. That's why the number isn't as relevant once you get over 900 kids or so.

As I said before, 425 vs. 870 is a bigger differential/impediment toward that 11 on the field.

Are you kidding? It makes a huge difference in depth and developing a jv program. The smaller schools are also forced to play freshman and sophomores on varsity. The bigger schools have a distinct advantage in depth and developing younger players. Very few freshman are ready for high school football at the varsity.

I live in NC and was around a large school classification. There are rarely freshman that play varsity. At my son's school, I remember may one or two getting to dress. Very few sophomors, maybe less than 10 or so on varsity. And they were a semi decent low playoff caliber team.

A school like Midland(and others of similar size) size has double thte amount of kids to develop than a school half that size. 950 students is a small school and would force you into playing freshman against seniors. Big difference.

Not sure WV has a fix as there seems to be a large disparity between size of schools.
 
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What if there is a 4 A class that consists of the top 12 schools in attendance numbers and a 11 game regular season? That way everyone plays each other with the top 8 making the playoffs. One less week of playoffs would allow for the 11th week of regular season.
 
Are you kidding? It makes a huge difference in depth and developing a jv program. The smaller schools are also forced to play freshman and sophomores on varsity. The bigger schools have a distinct advantage in depth and developing younger players. Very few freshman are ready for high school football at the varsity.

I live in NC and was around a large school classification. There are rarely freshman that play varsity. At my son's school, I remember may one or two getting to dress. Very few sophomors, maybe less than 10 or so on varsity. And they were a semi decent low playoff caliber team.

A school like Midland(and others of similar size) size has double thte amount of kids to develop than a school half that size. 950 students is a small school and would force you into playing freshman against seniors. Big difference.

Not sure WV has a fix as there seems to be a large disparity between size of schools.

How many state football titles does Cabell Midland have, again? Now that could change in a couple of weeks, but if what you were saying were 100% true, they would have more than one trip to the Super Six in school history. Especially with the way they bring in football kids the past 4 seasons from other schools.

Jefferson was the state's largest school until they were separated and Washington was formed. Jefferson was never a threat in the football postseason.

What you are saying is logical, but it's not how it actually plays out. I watched a school with about 700 beat a school with about 1,800 last year by 19 points. The school with 700 lost three games and was beaten, 48-7 in the AA semifinals.

I still stand by the difference between a school with 450 and a school with 875 being a much bigger difference on the field.
 
I honestly don't know how many state titles Cabell Midland has? I am guessing none by your remark.

I think we know now why there are only a handful of recruits that come out of WV each year. Lack of competition and serious lack of diversity. A small school like that should really never beat those big schools, except on rare occasions.
 
How many state football titles does Cabell Midland have, again? Now that could change in a couple of weeks, but if what you were saying were 100% true, they would have more than one trip to the Super Six in school history. Especially with the way they bring in football kids the past 4 seasons from other schools.

Jefferson was the state's largest school until they were separated and Washington was formed. Jefferson was never a threat in the football postseason.

What you are saying is logical, but it's not how it actually plays out. I watched a school with about 700 beat a school with about 1,800 last year by 19 points. The school with 700 lost three games and was beaten, 48-7 in the AA semifinals.

I still stand by the difference between a school with 450 and a school with 875 being a much bigger difference on the field.
depth is an issue with both enrollment situations. the school with more kids hs a better shot every year than the school with fewer kids
 
I still stand by the difference between a school with 450 and a school with 875 being a much bigger difference on the field.

West Virginia high school football coaches disagree with your contention. They lobbied for the changes although it makes sense on the surface that any school two times larger than their opponent should have a significant advantage, regardless of their classification.
 
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