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I just talked to the ticket office and was told the chairbacks have still not come in.

If you are not already aware. If you rented the chairbacks you will eventually receive a refund. Once they do get them in and installed there will be a refund issued in the amount $7 per set per game not installed. So as of right now if we have the seats by the FIU game you should receive $21 per seat that you rented.
 
Wait: you’re telling me that it didn’t work well?

Man, I swear a genius was discussing this months ago:

 
Maybe the whole problem is that China is delaying shipping them pending the US Congress raising the debt ceiling! Did anybody think of that? ;)
 
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Maybe the whole problem is that China is delaying shipping them pending the US Congress raising the debt ceiling! Did anybody think of that? ;)
could be, but the sentiment that was conveyed to me on my conversation with the ticket off is that the company is giving us the runaround. They said and I quote, "they're really giving us the short end of the stick right now." Now it could be the company is in bad way with distribution channels and our just afraid of losing accounts so they're not being forthcoming with the status of shipments. Who knows. It's still costing the athletic department money As Rifle has pointed out not only have they lost (by their own design) the revenue stream from game day rentals they're now having to issue refunds to season ticket holders that rented the seats. Which now with so many purchasing their own to bring in they may be a loss in future years.

Maybe just maybe we should stop making so much of our crap overseas.
 
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could be, but the sentiment that was conveyed to me on my conversation with the ticket off is that the company is giving us the runaround. They said and I quote, "they're really giving us the short end of the stick right now." Now it could be the company is in bad way with distribution channels and our just afraid of losing accounts so they're not being forthcoming with the status of shipments. Who knows. It's still costing the athletic department money As Rifle has pointed out not only have they lost (by their own design) the revenue stream from game day rentals they're now having to issue refunds to season ticket holders that rented the seats. Which now with so many purchasing their own to bring in they may be a loss in future years.

Maybe just maybe we should stop making so much of our crap overseas.

Many would respond and say look at our Southern border and wish places "overseas", and elsewhere, would stop sending the same thing to us!!
 
could be, but the sentiment that was conveyed to me on my conversation with the ticket off is that the company is giving us the runaround. They said and I quote, "they're really giving us the short end of the stick right now." Now it could be the company is in bad way with distribution channels and our just afraid of losing accounts so they're not being forthcoming with the status of shipments. Who knows. It's still costing the athletic department money As Rifle has pointed out not only have they lost (by their own design) the revenue stream from game day rentals they're now having to issue refunds to season ticket holders that rented the seats. Which now with so many purchasing their own to bring in they may be a loss in future years.

Maybe just maybe we should stop making so much of our crap overseas.
does the Athletic Department rent those seats or does IMG? I think IMG is in charge of renting the portable seats, and I believe IMG model is to pay MU X and hope they can make more than then X. Which means MU revenue doesnt suffer in this case.
 
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From what I have heard, we are not suffering at all in this case. The company will be taking care of any money lost.

I have also heard that these seats are awesome, and are being used in several schools around the country including some in the SEC.

We are living in strange times right now, also, i would say we didnt just up and announce that agreement on the same day we made the deal. This was done a good while back.

Things happen.
 
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I’m sure it’s frustrating for the fans that like these seats but it’s a nonissue revenue wise. So many more important stuff things to discuss and happening now. These rentals are nothing to blather on about.
 
From what I have heard, we are not suffering at all in this case. The company will be taking care of any money lost.

I have also heard that these seats are awesome, and are being used in several schools around the country including some in the SEC.

We are living in strange times right now, also, i would say we didnt just up and announce that agreement on the same day we made the deal. This was done a good while back.

Things happen.
I was actually excited for these. Hopefully they get here for the FIU game.
 
I’m sure it’s frustrating for the fans that like these seats but it’s a nonissue revenue wise. So many more important stuff things to discuss and happening now. These rentals are nothing to blather on about.
Shortsighted thinking leads to shortsighted results.

Marshall fvcked itself by only allowing seat backs for certain ticket holders. So they lost revenue by not allowing people who used to buy seat backs to be able to purchase them. That is already lost revenue.

As has been mentioned on here for years, Marshall has an aging fan base. Imagine being 70+ years old and now not being able to get seat backs regardless of the level of seat. Think they will come to all games with their uncomfortable seating and sore backs? Think they will renew seats for next year?
 
Yawn. Like I said nothing to blather about. What part of that did you not understand?

in any case I hope Bleeds and all other fans that want these get them soon.
There’s plenty to “blather” about. I understand you don’t want to discuss it, because what you argued priory regarding this deal has now blown up in your face worse than it already had months ago.

Instead of continuing to argue ”nothing to see here” about something that you were wrong about, go back to avoiding the thread entirely like you did in the last one to stop drawing attention to you having been wrong about it.
 
No, I was correct. And this is an insignificant issue and revenue source.
 
We do not have the luxury of turning down revenue streams, short of things that will be more detrimental in the long run. It was a bad call and they should recognize that. Strong leaders can acknowledge a mistake... and they correct it as soon as possible.
 
True but I don’t think we “turned down” revenue. I’m sure the school would prefer the seats were available for the season ticket holders. Now, regarding our budget, it’s good we didn’t buy a large inventory to store in hopes of renting to non season ticket holders as suggested. That would have been silly.

lastly, if we are truly concerned about revenue we should be concerned about attendance (ecu game horrible) for the year and going forward. We should be concerned about our conference affiliation going forward. This is not significant.
 
Shortsighted thinking leads to shortsighted results.

Marshall fvcked itself by only allowing seat backs for certain ticket holders. So they lost revenue by not allowing people who used to buy seat backs to be able to purchase them. That is already lost revenue.

As has been mentioned on here for years, Marshall has an aging fan base. Imagine being 70+ years old and now not being able to get seat backs regardless of the level of seat. Think they will come to all games with their uncomfortable seating and sore backs? Think they will renew seats for next year?
In the past, if you had a season ticket you could purchase a seat back, I believe. If you bought single game tix, you could rent a seat back per game. I don't believe anybody was shut out, though I could be wrong.
 
No, I was correct. And this is an insignificant issue and revenue source.

You weren't correct. You were wrong then, and you've once again shown to be wrong.

True but I don’t think we “turned down” revenue.
Let's dumb this down for you.

You have a market for a product. You limit who can buy that product. The only way you're not turning down revenue is if the people you prohibit from buying the product turn into the people you allow to buy the product.

In this case, it would be the people who used to buy the seat backs and then pay for the premium seats that allow seat backs to be purchased. Does anyone really think that people decided to pay for better tickets just so they could pay even more for seat backs? Of course not. It either 1) alienated fans or 2) allowed fans to say "well, that's stupid. I'll keep my seats and just not pay for a seat back this year."

Now, regarding our budget, it’s good we didn’t buy a large inventory to store in hopes of renting to non season ticket holders as suggested. That would have been silly.
Do you know how basic math works? If Marshall had bought "a large inventory to store," they wouldn't have to pay for those if they didn't receive them. In other words, it's a wash. They don't lose money on the purchase off those seats, but they all don't make money.

But do you know where they lose money? They lose money on all of the seat backs that they made each of the previous years by making a boneheaded business decision. Do you think I just magically got lucky railing against this decision months ago only to have it blow up in Marshall's face?

lastly, if we are truly concerned about revenue we should be concerned about attendance (ecu game horrible) for the year and going forward. We should be concerned about our conference affiliation going forward.
First, we can be concerned about multiple things at once. Just because somebody has a broken ankle doesn't mean they should ignore their pneumonia.

Second, want to know what doesn't help attendance? It's making it more uncomfortable for your fans to watch games in person. By taking away the ability of fans to rent seat backs as they've been allowed to in the past, you're not only hurting the money those people were willing to give you, but you're also making their experience less enjoyable, thus resulting in lower attendance.

You don't make it harder to do business with your customers. You make it easier. And considering the surrounding facts (aging fan base, struggling to sell tickets), you definitely don't make it harder to for people to give you money so they can have a more comfortable experience.

It was a boneheaded decision all of the way around. I didn't get lucky that it worked out this way.

In the past, if you had a season ticket you could purchase a seat back, I believe. If you bought single game tix, you could rent a seat back per game. I don't believe anybody was shut out, though I could be wrong.

That's correct. But with this new plan, people are shut out from renting seat backs. Brilliant strategy to make it harder for customers to give you money.
 
You weren't correct. You were wrong then, and you've once again shown to be wrong.


Let's dumb this down for you.

You have a market for a product. You limit who can buy that product. The only way you're not turning down revenue is if the people you prohibit from buying the product turn into the people you allow to buy the product.

In this case, it would be the people who used to buy the seat backs and then pay for the premium seats that allow seat backs to be purchased. Does anyone really think that people decided to pay for better tickets just so they could pay even more for seat backs? Of course not. It either 1) alienated fans or 2) allowed fans to say "well, that's stupid. I'll keep my seats and just not pay for a seat back this year."


Do you know how basic math works? If Marshall had bought "a large inventory to store," they wouldn't have to pay for those if they didn't receive them. In other words, it's a wash. They don't lose money on the purchase off those seats, but they all don't make money.

But do you know where they lose money? They lose money on all of the seat backs that they made each of the previous years by making a boneheaded business decision. Do you think I just magically got lucky railing against this decision months ago only to have it blow up in Marshall's face?


First, we can be concerned about multiple things at once. Just because somebody has a broken ankle doesn't mean they should ignore their pneumonia.

Second, want to know what doesn't help attendance? It's making it more uncomfortable for your fans to watch games in person. By taking away the ability of fans to rent seat backs as they've been allowed to in the past, you're not only hurting the money those people were willing to give you, but you're also making their experience less enjoyable, thus resulting in lower attendance.

You don't make it harder to do business with your customers. You make it easier. And considering the surrounding facts (aging fan base, struggling to sell tickets), you definitely don't make it harder to for people to give you money so they can have a more comfortable experience.

It was a boneheaded decision all of the way around. I didn't get lucky that it worked out this way.



That's correct. But with this new plan, people are shut out from renting seat backs. Brilliant strategy to make it harder for customers to give you money.
You are blathering again. Didn’t read it.
 
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You weren't correct. You were wrong then, and you've once again shown to be wrong.


Let's dumb this down for you.

You have a market for a product. You limit who can buy that product. The only way you're not turning down revenue is if the people you prohibit from buying the product turn into the people you allow to buy the product.

In this case, it would be the people who used to buy the seat backs and then pay for the premium seats that allow seat backs to be purchased. Does anyone really think that people decided to pay for better tickets just so they could pay even more for seat backs? Of course not. It either 1) alienated fans or 2) allowed fans to say "well, that's stupid. I'll keep my seats and just not pay for a seat back this year."


Do you know how basic math works? If Marshall had bought "a large inventory to store," they wouldn't have to pay for those if they didn't receive them. In other words, it's a wash. They don't lose money on the purchase off those seats, but they all don't make money.

But do you know where they lose money? They lose money on all of the seat backs that they made each of the previous years by making a boneheaded business decision. Do you think I just magically got lucky railing against this decision months ago only to have it blow up in Marshall's face?


First, we can be concerned about multiple things at once. Just because somebody has a broken ankle doesn't mean they should ignore their pneumonia.

Second, want to know what doesn't help attendance? It's making it more uncomfortable for your fans to watch games in person. By taking away the ability of fans to rent seat backs as they've been allowed to in the past, you're not only hurting the money those people were willing to give you, but you're also making their experience less enjoyable, thus resulting in lower attendance.

You don't make it harder to do business with your customers. You make it easier. And considering the surrounding facts (aging fan base, struggling to sell tickets), you definitely don't make it harder to for people to give you money so they can have a more comfortable experience.

It was a boneheaded decision all of the way around. I didn't get lucky that it worked out this way.



That's correct. But with this new plan, people are shut out from renting seat backs. Brilliant strategy to make it harder for customers to give you money.
What is the "new plan" for.the seat backs? I have seasons tickets and I'm not familiar with it. I may have ignored it.
 
What is the "new plan" for.the seat backs? I have seasons tickets and I'm not familiar with it. I may have ignored it.
Prior to this season if you didn't get the seatbacks included in your season ticket package you could rent them on a per game basis. You just had to pay $8 per game and they were open to everyone to rent. Now in order to have a seatback for the game you HAVE to have season tickets. They are no longer available for rental in the concourse.

Maybe this was done in an effort to boost season ticket sales, but I don't think you would gain many if any people. I just don't think seatbacks were a deciding factor for anyone in whether or not they were buying season tickets. Now people are just going to buy their own and bring them in. Sadly because this company has been unable to produce the seatbacks Marshall has to refund money per seat per game missed and probably lose future seatback rentals from all the season ticketholders that have now went out and bought there own.

It it was it is and not really worth arguing over though. The new seatbacks will be a lot better than the old ones (they won't soak up rain water) once we get them and hopefully in the future they'll purchase more for per game rental.
 
I'd be curious what the numbers were for season ticket holders that actually purchased the seatback with their season tickets vs season ticket holders that didn't vs single game ticket seatback rentals.

I have had season tickets since 2011 and have always just rented them per game. Mostly because the ones in the concourse are dry where they haven't just been sitting outside all season. they're lot cleaner too. Once I saw these new ones I added them to my season tickets for the first time.

I wonder if adding people like me is just as much as what they were making off of per game rentals. The only game I can remember when all the per game rentals were gone was against Louisville.
 
Prior to this season if you didn't get the seatbacks included in your season ticket package you could rent them on a per game basis. You just had to pay $8 per game and they were open to everyone to rent. Now in order to have a seatback for the game you HAVE to have season tickets. They are no longer available for rental in the concourse.

Maybe this was done in an effort to boost season ticket sales, but I don't think you would gain many if any people. I just don't think seatbacks were a deciding factor for anyone in whether or not they were buying season tickets. Now people are just going to buy their own and bring them in. Sadly because this company has been unable to produce the seatbacks Marshall has to refund money per seat per game missed and probably lose future seatback rentals from all the season ticketholders that have now went out and bought there own.

It it was it is and not really worth arguing over though. The new seatbacks will be a lot better than the old ones (they won't soak up rain water) once we get them and hopefully in the future they'll purchase more for per game rental.
I think Covid 19 caused them not to rent to non season ticket holders. and because of social distancing some of the chair back people were moved over to the East stands. to make up for the lack of chair backs, they screwed in those seats to act like a chair back seat. Biggest problem was they left them out all season, so when it rained those things stayed wet!!!
 
I think Covid 19 caused them not to rent to non season ticket holders. and because of social distancing some of the chair back people were moved over to the East stands. to make up for the lack of chair backs, they screwed in those seats to act like a chair back seat. Biggest problem was they left them out all season, so when it rained those things stayed wet!!!
They had the per game rentals last year. I don't think COVID had anything to do with the decision not to rent them per game. Now COVID has caused the company not to be able to fulfill our order. It just sucks all the way around.
 
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