Rand Paul to Vote Against Trump
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If they really cared they would vote to repeal the other 23 or whatever it is current emergency decrees
I support a wall. I am concerned about Trump doing this. These type of situations can always come back later a bite you. I would prefer him doing what he can with the money allocated. Then come back and appeal to the public to put pressure on Congress to help him finish the job.
This is different in that it is circumventing the legislative process of appropriations. Congress met, discussed the exact same issue, and made a decision. Although if you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater , you may very well get that if this goes before SCOTUS.
I'm not a big fan of circumventing Congress in this manner either. It sets a bad precedent. I would still declare an emergency, but just not pull money to build the wall. I would instead declare the emergency and deploy 1000s of more border agents and keep them in place until a wall is approved.
I understand why people think this is a big deal, but Congress authorized the president to do exactly what Trump is doing. Trump isn’t really circumventing anything if the law, approved by Congress, permits this kind of action.
The president would not have the authority to declare an emergency unless he had been given to him by Congress. That’s an absolute fact.
You are dense to not understand the meaning of "intent of the law". That's an absolute fact.
Just because POTUS can do something does not mean Congress had zero intention for the judicious use of such powers. Technically, POTUS can freeze you bank account in a national emergency. He can freeze all bank accounts, but you Ayn Rand fvckers only worry about yourselves. Maybe Trump should take all of your money to build the wall.
If you understand why this is a big deal, why are you not taking a stand on it? Because it is your Orange Hero that you support? Or do you just not give a shit?
I think it’s a slippery slope, for sure. However, declarations like this happen quite often. Also, it’s pre-approved power given to the president by Congress, so I don’t see the big deal. If Congress was worried about intent, they should have been more careful when authorizing the authority.
^^^Not the answer you would give if the "national emergency" declaration is to illegalize gun ownership.
Gun ownership is a right given to us by the constitution, you dolt. There is no chance that would hold up anywhere.
That's right, moron, you'd kill the law enforcement agents you usually idolize in order to keep those guns, amirite.
How do you know if they would take guns? Most law enforcement I have ever met are in favor of the 2nd amendment.
Even after Nixon, Congress could not foresee a turd of the magnitude of Trump occupying the White House. Fortunately, the Framers of the Constitution did, which is why I think the whole shebang will be tossed out on its ass by SCOTUS. That's the problem with executive authority: if you don't have the sense the incrementally increase it and instead go for broke you tend to end up with less authority in the end. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown_Sheet_&_Tube_Co._v._Sawyer, Justice Robert Jackson, and "the third category".
Says the guy who supports the Bible! This may be the biggest hypocrisy in the board's history.
