Recruiting class ranked 71st by rivals

[RhinoD]

Heavy on skill players (RB's, WR's and DB's) but light on big bodies from what it looks like...

The guy I am most excited about – Devon King... Not our highest rated recruit, but the kid is an old school "strong" safety that has two things coaches can't teach – a willingness to tackle bigger men and good instincts. Reminds me of Curtis Keyes, let's hope he plays like him in college.

 

[The Real SamC]

71st is a great ranking in the G5. Awesome.

 

[herdalicious]

That's the worrisome part - when the class is so heavy with skill players, who are typically higher-rated than players in the trenches, you should be highly ranked.

I've previously been in denial that Holliday was planning to retire, but looking at the composition of the last two recruiting classes (tons of JUCOs and props), 2022 is shaping up to be a good year to not be on campus anymore.

 

[Jeepers Creepers]

Pretty typical ranking for Doc:

2010 77
2011 57
2012 76
2013 58
2014 64
2015 74
2016 66
2017 90
2018 71
2019 67
2020 71

 

[5150]

Pretty typical ranking for Doc:

2010 77
2011 57
2012 76
2013 58
2014 64
2015 74
2016 66
2017 90
2018 71
2019 67
2020 71

Higher then Dana at Houston

 

[riflearm2]

As I’ve argued for years, average star ratings are far more important than the ranking most people view. Signing a ton of recruits (31 in Marshall’s case) usually shows some major issues in a program. Outside of the service academies, Marshall signed the second most recruits in the country.

Marshall’s average star rating was 2.07. That was next to last in C-USA ahead of only UTEP.

Marshall went with quantity over quality.

 

[cottrell75]

As I’ve argued for years, average star ratings are far more important than the ranking most people view. Signing a ton of recruits (31 in Marshall’s case) usually shows some major issues in a program. Outside of the service academies, Marshall signed the second most recruits in the country.

Marshall’s average star rating was 2.07. That was next to last in C-USA ahead of only UTEP.

Marshall went with quantity over quality.

Quality won’t help us maintain our C-USA East runner up status. Quantity is where it’s at.

 

[riflearm2]

Signing that many recruits is indicative of a few possibilities:

1) You're over signing kids due to thinking some won't make eligibility, grayshirting or blueshirting them, and possibly fvcking some kids over.

2) You had a lot of kids leave, meaning issues within the program: either the kids don't like it, you did a horrible job evaluating prior classes, etc.

3) You don't trust your ability to evaluate and/or develop players. As a result, you sign a shit ton, hope some of them end up being good, then push the others out of your program.

Regardless of what the specific reason(s) is, it's a bad indicator for the program.

 

[riflearm2]

After excluding the service academies, Marshall finished 113th out of 127 teams in average star rating.

A lot of shit is still shit.

 

[YouGotMossed]

Signing that many recruits is indicative of a few possibilities:

1) You're over signing kids due to thinking some won't make eligibility, grayshirting or blueshirting them, and possibly fvcking some kids over.

Such is life in college football nowadays.. I am so sick and tired of the transfer portal fvcking teams over, but it's ok if you are the player to screw whoever you want.

I like what Virginia Tech is doing- new team policy you can't test the portal and then come back to the team. Bye Felicia

 

[riflearm2]

Such is life in college football nowadays.. I am so sick and tired of the transfer portal fvcking teams over, but it's ok if you are the player to screw whoever you want.

How is the transfer portal fvcking teams over? You'll have to explain that one.

You claim that fvcking kids over by offering them scholarships and then forcing them to grayshirt or blueshirt is just "such is life" and defend it, but you are sick of players screwing over teams by transferring? Hypocritical much?

t.

I like what Virginia Tech is doing- new team policy you can't test the portal and then come back to the team. Bye Felicia

And this just proves my point of you being a hypocrite. You like Fuente's new rule that he won't allow players back who enter the portal after testing the waters. Yet just last month, Fuente tested the waters by interviewing with Baylor, requesting an interview for Florida State, then removed himself out of the Baylor search after being told he wasn't one of their top two targets.

How can any player or recruit respect such a hypocrite as that?

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

After excluding the service academies, Marshall finished 113th out of 127 teams in average star rating.

A lot of shit is still shit.

For some reason we still have two recruits un-ranked, which is causing the average star rating to drop quite a bit. Assuming Kendrick and David Roberts were two star recruits our average would be 2.19. Certainly not great but I believe we’d be well inside the top 100.

To be fair I didn’t check every school’s recruit list but out of the ones I did who were ranked close to Marshall, only Arkansas State and Southern Miss had an unranked recruit.

 

[ohio herd]

How is the transfer portal fvcking teams over? You'll have to explain that one.

You claim that fvcking kids over by offering them scholarships and then forcing them to grayshirt or blueshirt is just "such is life" and defend it, but you are sick of players screwing over teams by transferring? Hypocritical much?




And this just proves my point of you being a hypocrite. You like Fuente's new rule that he won't allow players back who enter the portal after testing the waters. Yet just last month, Fuente tested the waters by interviewing with Baylor, requesting an interview for Florida State, then removed himself out of the Baylor search after being told he wasn't one of their top two targets.

How can any player or recruit respect such a hypocrite as that?

true , coaches can come and go why not players? This seems to be a good move imo.

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

How is the transfer portal fvcking teams over? You'll have to explain that one.

You claim that fvcking kids over by offering them scholarships and then forcing them to grayshirt or blueshirt is just "such is life" and defend it, but you are sick of players screwing over teams by transferring? Hypocritical much?




And this just proves my point of you being a hypocrite. You like Fuente's new rule that he won't allow players back who enter the portal after testing the waters. Yet just last month, Fuente tested the waters by interviewing with Baylor, requesting an interview for Florida State, then removed himself out of the Baylor search after being told he wasn't one of their top two targets.

How can any player or recruit respect such a hypocrite as that?

I’m surprised Va Tech hasn’t cut bait with Fuentes and re-booted the program. What a disappointment he’s been.

 

[RhinoD]

I’m surprised Va Tech hasn’t cut bait with Fuentes and re-booted the program. What a disappointment he’s been.

Fuente seems like one of those guys on the soon to be "downward coaching spiral"... Will be let go at VT, probably get a job in the AAC, underachieve there a few years and head to the MAC/CUSA before ultimately ending up as a "consultant" somewhere... IE Willie Taggart 2.0

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

What is our ranking on 247?

Any CUSA schools higher?

 

[RhinoD]

What is our ranking on 247?

Any CUSA schools higher?

As per Rivals, two CUSA schools are higher... Louisiana Tech and FAU at 67 and 68 respectively. MTSU is two spots behind us.

On the other end of the spectrum, the CUSA scrap heap took another collective step back... UTSA, ODU, Charlotte, Rice, UTEP and UAB all failed to crack the Rivals Top 100. UAB bringing up the back of the pack with the 5th worst recruiting class in America (ahead of two MAC and two Sun Belt teams).

CUSA 2020 Recruiting classes (per Rivals)
67. Florida Atlantic
68. Louisiana Tech
71. Marshall
73. MTSU
79. Western Kentucky
86. FIU
Tied - 87. North Texas, Southern Miss.
NR. Everyone else

 

[riflearm2]

As per Rivals, two CUSA schools are higher... Louisiana Tech and FAU at 67 and 68 respectively. MTSU is two spots behind us.

On the other end of the spectrum, the CUSA scrap heap took another collective step back... UTSA, ODU, Charlotte, Rice, UTEP and UAB all failed to crack the Rivals Top 100. UAB bringing up the back of the pack with the 5th worst recruiting class in America (ahead of two MAC and two Sun Belt teams).

CUSA 2020 Recruiting classes (per Rivals)
67. Florida Atlantic
68. Louisiana Tech
71. Marshall
73. MTSU
79. Western Kentucky
86. FIU
Tied - 87. North Texas, Southern Miss.
NR. Everyone else

Again, it's important to understand what that ranking includes. If you sign more, you will earn more points. So oversigning (31 recruits in Marshall's case) will earn you a better ranking. In reality, the average star ranking, even if the two signees are given 2 stars, is very bad . . . bad enough that only UTEP is higher in C-USA.

It's casting a huge net and hoping you get some keepers out of that catch while taking a lot of other risks associated with doing that. It tends to be an emergency option to try a quick fix instead of building a successful long-term program.

 

[YouGotMossed]

How is the transfer portal fvcking teams over? You'll have to explain that one.

You claim that fvcking kids over by offering them scholarships and then forcing them to grayshirt or blueshirt is just "such is life" and defend it, but you are sick of players screwing over teams by transferring? Hypocritical much?




And this just proves my point of you being a hypocrite. You like Fuente's new rule that he won't allow players back who enter the portal after testing the waters. Yet just last month, Fuente tested the waters by interviewing with Baylor, requesting an interview for Florida State, then removed himself out of the Baylor search after being told he wasn't one of their top two targets.

How can any player or recruit respect such a hypocrite as that?

I agree.. coaches who leave early in their contracts should give any guaranteed money back since they aren't meeting their end of the bargain.

The REAL solution would be for them to go back actually enforcing sitting out a year when you transfer. That way there is skin in the game but they can still make a decision that is right for them.

 

[ohio herd]

Again, it's important to understand what that ranking includes. If you sign more, you will earn more points. So oversigning (31 recruits in Marshall's case) will earn you a better ranking. In reality, the average star ranking, even if the two signees are given 2 stars, is very bad . . . bad enough that only UTEP is higher in C-USA.

It's casting a huge net and hoping you get some keepers out of that catch while taking a lot of other risks associated with doing that. It tends to be an emergency option to try a quick fix instead of building a successful long-term program.

Rifle I agree with you on this. I would suggest that other programs do this as well. The upper programs just recruit better players and thus rank higher of course. however, ranking players by stars and not numbers would be a better system as you suggest.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Again, it's important to understand what that ranking includes. If you sign more, you will earn more points. So oversigning (31 recruits in Marshall's case) will earn you a better ranking. In reality, the average star ranking, even if the two signees are given 2 stars, is very bad . . . bad enough that only UTEP is higher in C-USA.

It's casting a huge net and hoping you get some keepers out of that catch while taking a lot of other risks associated with doing that. It tends to be an emergency option to try a quick fix instead of building a successful long-term program.

I was told they stop counting after you're top20. Those are the only ones that figure in the rankings. Is that correct @Chris McLaughlin

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

I was told they stop counting after you're top20. Those are the only ones that figure in the rankings. Is that correct @Chris McLaughlin

Sort of. They take your top 20 highest rated recruits when factoring in points. They’re all (assuming they sign) factored in to average rating.

 

[2.0]

As I’ve argued for years, average star ratings are far more important than the ranking most people view. Signing a ton of recruits (31 in Marshall’s case) usually shows some major issues in a program. Outside of the service academies, Marshall signed the second most recruits in the country.

Marshall’s average star rating was 2.07. That was next to last in C-USA ahead of only UTEP.

Marshall went with quantity over quality.

Only 19 are official

 

[riflearm2]

Only 19 are official

Which means the class ranking should be even lower.

 

[2.0]

Which means the class ranking should be even lower.

Depends on who is spinning it

 

[riflearm2]

Depends on who is spinning it

No. If only 19 are official and they have ranked 20, that means they are giving points on a recruit who isn't even official. That means they should be lower than what they are if Rivals ranked based on "official" and not the top 20 NLI signees.

 

[2.0]

No. If only 19 are official and they have ranked 20, that means they are giving points on a recruit who isn't even official. That means they should be lower than what they are if Rivals ranked based on "official" and not the top 20 NLI signees.

You are preaching to the Choir.