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Now I know we will not stay that high for long but I was wondering a few things about recruiting.
#1, What was our highest ranked class ever?
#2. Which coach was the best recruiter?
#3. Who was our best recruit ever- top 5
#4. How do you think Huff will do?
#5. What class was our best ever?

I think Donnan was the best recruiter. Taking nothing away from BP.
I think Chad and Byron were our two best recruits maybe Troy Brown at #3.
I have a feeling Huff will do well. Would love to see us finish in the Top 50 this year.
 
You're looking at 2022.

Looking at 2021 we are not even in the Top 100. We, apparently, under some real powerhouses like FIU, Ohio, Jackson St, and 1/2 the MAC.
 
You're looking at 2022.

Looking at 2021 we are not even in the Top 100. We, apparently, under some real powerhouses like FIU, Ohio, Jackson St, and 1/2 the MAC.
is there a problem with that? I mean last year is behind us now,. Huff is an elite recruiter
 
We had very few spots for 2021. Less recruits equals less points equals lower ranking. I’m good with that. I would rather have 4 senior OL return for the extra year than have 4 more freshman recruits for 2021.
 
Now I know we will not stay that high for long but I was wondering a few things about recruiting.
#1, What was our highest ranked class ever?
#2. Which coach was the best recruiter?
#3. Who was our best recruit ever- top 5
#4. How do you think Huff will do?
#5. What class was our best ever?

I think Donnan was the best recruiter. Taking nothing away from BP.
I think Chad and Byron were our two best recruits maybe Troy Brown at #3.
I have a feeling Huff will do well. Would love to see us finish in the Top 50 this year.
spot on
 
Now I know we will not stay that high for long but I was wondering a few things about recruiting.
#1, What was our highest ranked class ever?
#2. Which coach was the best recruiter?
#3. Who was our best recruit ever- top 5
#4. How do you think Huff will do?
#5. What class was our best ever?

I think Donnan was the best recruiter. Taking nothing away from BP.
I think Chad and Byron were our two best recruits maybe Troy Brown at #3.
I have a feeling Huff will do well. Would love to see us finish in the Top 50 this year.
1. The 2011 class finished 54th overall
2. Doc best recruiter/Pruett best developer of talent
3. Randy by far. Lou Holtz said he's the best high school football player he had ever seen.
4. Possibly a little better than Doc.
5. Good question. Doc's were ranked higher, but Preutt's achieved more. Of it's purely in a vacuum based solely on our success and not compared to the rest of the FBS some of those Donnan classes were loaded.
 
1. The 2011 class finished 54th overall
2. Doc best recruiter/Pruett best developer of talent
3. Randy by far. Lou Holtz said he's the best high school football player he had ever seen.
4. Possibly a little better than Doc.
5. Good question. Doc's were ranked higher, but Preutt's achieved more. Of it's purely in a vacuum based solely on our success and not compared to the rest of the FBS some of those Donnan classes were loaded.
Actually, I think Donnan was the best recruiter, all things considered. Doc was overrated in my mind, he was losing the edge after 2014. Both Doc and Pruett got complacent towards the end of their tenures. jmo.
Huff talks a great game - we'll see what happens.
 
1. The 2011 class finished 54th overall
2. Doc best recruiter/Pruett best developer of talent
3. Randy by far. Lou Holtz said he's the best high school football player he had ever seen.
4. Possibly a little better than Doc.
5. Good question. Doc's were ranked higher, but Preutt's achieved more. Of it's purely in a vacuum based solely on our success and not compared to the rest of the FBS some of those Donnan classes were loaded.
Randy was a transfer that is why he was not #1 on my list.
 
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Actually, I think Donnan was the best recruiter, all things considered. Doc was overrated in my mind, he was losing the edge after 2014. Both Doc and Pruett got complacent towards the end of their tenures. jmo.
Huff talks a great game - we'll see what happens.
Donnan recruited some of our best players ever. I mean when he left us (a FCS school) to go to Georgia he took 3 players with him. Two of those started and went onto the NFL .
 
Donnan recruited some of our best players ever. I mean when he left us (a FCS school) to go to Georgia he took 3 players with him. Two of those started and went onto the NFL .
Who was the third? I only recall Gary and Wiggins.

On another note - I just watched the second half of the 1995 championship game on YouTube. Saw a lot of Gary and Wiggins and plenty of other talent in that game
 
Who was the third? I only recall Gary and Wiggins.

On another note - I just watched the second half of the 1995 championship game on YouTube. Saw a lot of Gary and Wiggins and plenty of other talent in that game
me either. I am pretty sure there was a third though. been a while my mind could be playing tricks on me
 
Actually, I think Donnan was the best recruiter, all things considered. Doc was overrated in my mind, he was losing the edge after 2014. Both Doc and Pruett got complacent towards the end of their tenures. jmo.
Huff talks a great game - we'll see what happens.
I don't think Doc was overrated from a recruiting standpoint. On paper we were still one of the better talented G5s and the best in CUSA. His issues were player development, retention, and his unwillingness to be aggressive in the game plan post 2014.
 
I don't think Doc was overrated from a recruiting standpoint. On paper we were still one of the better talented G5s and the best in CUSA. His issues were player development, retention, and his unwillingness to be aggressive in the game plan post 2014.
I just don't think he was all that, especially in his latter years. I agree 100% about player developnment. If we had some of the better talent in the league (supposedly) yet only won the league title once, obviously there was something wrong.
 
Donnan recruited some of our best players ever. I mean when he left us (a FCS school) to go to Georgia he took 3 players with him. Two of those started and went onto the NFL .
I remember hearing stories Woody would tell on the radio about some of what Donnan did. He used the FBS transition possibility and really pitched hard on Nike jerseys. He wanted them to see certain things in darker settings. It was either the stadium or the jerseys or something. I remember Woody talking about it once. That way the recruit wouldn't know any better. Donnan used every angle he could.

Still I don't know where those classes ranked in comparison to peer programs in terms of player rankings, but he could coach.
 
I just don't think he was all that, especially in his latter years. I agree 100% about player developnment. If we had some of the better talent in the league (supposedly) yet only won the league title once, obviously there was something wrong.
I know the buck stops with the HC, but I really do think the assistant he was bringing in on the back end didn't believe they could land the same level of recruit that assistants like Seider and Hartley did.

We still recruited some really good players and we'd probably see them in a better light had Doc not lost that edge. He was allowed to get far too comfortable in his job and it showed. He let out a big sigh of relief once we lifted that conference championship in 2014 and he was never the same. He went from never satisfied with anything to heaping praise.

One of the things that really set us back was that class that was supposed to have Hakeem Bailey, Von Davis, Roosevelt Lawrence, and Speedy Howard. 3/4 were NQs and they weren't recruited as cherries on top they were recruited like they were eligible and it burnt us. Bailey went to JUCO and ended up starting at WVU for two seasons, Davis was so poor he couldn't afford his prop year and we couldn't secure enough grants for him, Coleman ended up at a JUCO and then a MAC school (I think he wanted to be a RB and not a DB), and we all know about Speedy Howard. Here for camp, injured, quit football, went to JUCO, then at Texas A&M.

That class set us back so much with DBs.

Doc got lazy. Honestly that should count against him, but he was one of the best recruiters in the nation for a reason.
 
I know the buck stops with the HC, but I really do think the assistant he was bringing in on the back end didn't believe they could land the same level of recruit that assistants like Seider and Hartley did.

We still recruited some really good players and we'd probably see them in a better light had Doc not lost that edge. He was allowed to get far too comfortable in his job and it showed. He let out a big sigh of relief once we lifted that conference championship in 2014 and he was never the same. He went from never satisfied with anything to heaping praise.

One of the things that really set us back was that class that was supposed to have Hakeem Bailey, Von Davis, Roosevelt Lawrence, and Speedy Howard. 3/4 were NQs and they weren't recruited as cherries on top they were recruited like they were eligible and it burnt us. Bailey went to JUCO and ended up starting at WVU for two seasons, Davis was so poor he couldn't afford his prop year and we couldn't secure enough grants for him, Coleman ended up at a JUCO and then a MAC school (I think he wanted to be a RB and not a DB), and we all know about Speedy Howard. Here for camp, injured, quit football, went to JUCO, then at Texas A&M.

That class set us back so much with DBs.

Doc got lazy. Honestly that should count against him, but he was one of the best recruiters in the nation for a reason.
Would he have been a good recruiter at Marshall if he couldn't have used the NQ card?
 
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Huff talks a great game - we'll see what happens.
I'll get killed for this, but he does talk a lot. I'm just hoping he isn't writing checks that he can't cash. I'll get killed for this too, but he is a younger Doc. Which isn't a bad thing. He's a really good and by some a great recruiter. He was #1 last season. The thing that makes him different than Doc is his age. Doc was pretty much landing his first and last job. He tried to leave once, but this was it. He was what 55 when he was hired?

In Huff's case he's a young and hungry coach. He's still looking up that ladder and he's going to be aggressive. He has something to prove and goals to reach that aren't retiring at Marshall.

Huff still has the carrot on the end of his stick. Doc didn't.

If Huff can recruit to at least the level of 2011-2013 and win a title or two in his first two seasons he'll be gone. People are looking at him to show them they're right about him. No one was waiting to see if Doc was ready to take over their programs.

Marshall is an audition for Coach Huff.

My biggest concern is that he kept Cramsey. I know it was the spring game, but that looked so much like the end of last season.
 
In 2019, Xavier Gaines ran the Wildcat 30 times. In 2020, he ran it once in the first three games of the season, then none in the following 5 games, not utilizing the formation again until he was brought in as relief against UAB when Wells was completely cooked in the head.

In 2019, Willie Johnson ran the ball 8 times for 141 yards. In 2020, he rushed the ball 4 times in 8 games, and was barely featured in the passing attack outside of the MTSU game.

Shhh like that - that's why Doc is sitting on a couch right now.
 
Would he have been a good recruiter at Marshall if he couldn't have used the NQ card?
I think so. He was early on. Go back and look at that 2011 class. The one that finished #54 overall. I may be wrong, but the only NQ on that list was Butler. Full disclosure Grooms was a part of that class, but he wasn't on the commitment list.

The ability to take NQs, at least the way it was used early on, was just to add players we were never otherwise getting. They were cherries on top of what were already good classes without them.

Doc's problem was in keeping players and developing players. I don't even know if it was developing players really as much as it was using them then right way.

Take Moo Moo Smith for example. Go watch how PSU used him and his elite speed. They ran him in a lot of underneath route that would cross him over the LBs. A lot of drags and crosses. What did Doc and Legg do? Put him outside the numbers and chucked deep to 5'6" dude. Yea it worked, but he wasn't built to out jump the DBs. There was so much more we could have done with him that we never did.

Look at the backfield from 2011-2015. Grooms, Butler, Watson, and Johnson. All had capable hands and Johnson had played TE and played it really well. We never threw out of the backfield. I can think of one time we threw to the RB. It was a wheel route to Travon Van in OT against ECU in 2011. It was the first play in OT and came 1-2 yards from being a TD. It was so successful that we never called it again.

Could you imagine Grooms and Butler leaking out of the backfield and some poor LB having to cover them? Heck even on blitzes we wouldn't call HB Screens.

No Doc never struggled to get the talent. He and the staff just never used it to its full potential.
 
In 2019, Xavier Gaines ran the Wildcat 30 times. In 2020, he ran it once in the first three games of the season, then none in the following 5 games, not utilizing the formation again until he was brought in as relief against UAB when Wells was completely cooked in the head.

In 2019, Willie Johnson ran the ball 8 times for 141 yards. In 2020, he rushed the ball 4 times in 8 games, and was barely featured in the passing attack outside of the MTSU game.

Shhh like that - that's why Doc is sitting on a couch right now.
Running Gaines a few time in the wildcat against Rice could have saved the season. And shame on Doc for never really developing that. With his ability to pass it could have been a huge problem for defenses. Same goes with Morrell. I didn't like him as a true QB, but you have two TEs that are former QBs on the field and you couldn't draw something up for that?
 
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Donnan had a good eye for talent. He pulled in a ton of great players/guys who had chance to play in the league and we weren't beating out high major programs for them.

I am always amazed at what Donnan had sitting out in 1995 just waiting on Pruett to use in 96.
 
A well known former player, who played in the League, will be MU’s head coach in five years or less.
 
I'll get killed for this, but he does talk a lot. I'm just hoping he isn't writing checks that he can't cash. I'll get killed for this too, but he is a younger Doc. Which isn't a bad thing. He's a really good and by some a great recruiter. He was #1 last season. The thing that makes him different than Doc is his age. Doc was pretty much landing his first and last job. He tried to leave once, but this was it. He was what 55 when he was hired?

In Huff's case he's a young and hungry coach. He's still looking up that ladder and he's going to be aggressive. He has something to prove and goals to reach that aren't retiring at Marshall.

Huff still has the carrot on the end of his stick. Doc didn't.

If Huff can recruit to at least the level of 2011-2013 and win a title or two in his first two seasons he'll be gone. People are looking at him to show them they're right about him. No one was waiting to see if Doc was ready to take over their programs.

Marshall is an audition for Coach Huff.

My biggest concern is that he kept Cramsey. I know it was the spring game, but that looked so much like the end of last season.
I agree. Huff is much more open in communication of the fans through social media and pop culture references. Its refreshing, but it also can build a hefty set of expectations from a fanbase who already have high expectations.
I think Doc's heart was in the right place and he genuinely cared for MU football and wanted it to succeed.

People, currently, are going to be accepting that MU is 'a stepping stone school' for people like Huff.
However, this is because they expect Huff to win titles every year.
But if you look, you don't need to win much to do this. Other coaches have been hired for less than what MU fans expect Huff to do.
Lower P5's seem to hire coaches who just look competent and can manage a winning season, which should feel amazing if they've had a streak of losing seasons.
So if Huff wins 8-9 games this season and somehow loses out in either playing in or winning CUSA, he'll be gone.
MU fans will be left confused, wondering how Huff could ever leave, and some will be mad because he didn't get MU to their level of expectations because 1-2 years is a realistic window for a head coach with as much career movement as Guff has had, to move on.
Honestly, MU will be lucky to win at the level the fans expect before Huff is gone. He's too high profile to be passed up on, and I doubt he has the loyalty to the program Doc had.

As for Cramsey?
Shouldn't you be more worried Legg, whom everyone on this board despised for boring football, and applauded Doc for firing, has been brought back? Assistant HC and TE coach, okay, not OC, but the hate he generated from everyone for his apparent ineptitude, and yet nobody seems to worry.
 
I agree. Huff is much more open in communication of the fans through social media and pop culture references. Its refreshing, but it also can build a hefty set of expectations from a fanbase who already have high expectations.
I think Doc's heart was in the right place and he genuinely cared for MU football and wanted it to succeed.

People, currently, are going to be accepting that MU is 'a stepping stone school' for people like Huff.
However, this is because they expect Huff to win titles every year.
But if you look, you don't need to win much to do this. Other coaches have been hired for less than what MU fans expect Huff to do.
Lower P5's seem to hire coaches who just look competent and can manage a winning season, which should feel amazing if they've had a streak of losing seasons.
So if Huff wins 8-9 games this season and somehow loses out in either playing in or winning CUSA, he'll be gone.
MU fans will be left confused, wondering how Huff could ever leave, and some will be mad because he didn't get MU to their level of expectations because 1-2 years is a realistic window for a head coach with as much career movement as Guff has had, to move on.
Honestly, MU will be lucky to win at the level the fans expect before Huff is gone. He's too high profile to be passed up on, and I doubt he has the loyalty to the program Doc had.

As for Cramsey?
Shouldn't you be more worried Legg, whom everyone on this board despised for boring football, and applauded Doc for firing, has been brought back? Assistant HC and TE coach, okay, not OC, but the hate he generated from everyone for his apparent ineptitude, and yet nobody seems to worry.
So you think Huff will be gone after one year if successful? P5 schools are gonna want more on his resume than that. Come on.

Not sure if it was Doc's loyalty or other schools reluctance to take him.
 
So you think Huff will be gone after one year if successful? P5 schools are gonna want more on his resume than that. Come on.

Not sure if it was Doc's loyalty or other schools reluctance to take him.
He basically says a typical Doc winning season with no title gets Huff hired away.
 
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