S. Report Says Humans Cause Climate Change, Contradicting Top Trump Officials
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WASHINGTON — Directly contradicting much of the Trump administration’s position on climate change, 13 federal agencies unveiled an exhaustive scientific report on Friday that says humans are the dominant cause of the global temperature rise that has created the warmest period in the history of civilization.
Over the past 115 years global average temperatures have increased 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit, leading to record-breaking weather events and temperature extremes, the report says. The global, long-term warming trend is “unambiguous,” it says, and there is “no convincing alternative explanation” that anything other than humans — the cars we drive, the power plants we operate, the forests we destroy — are to blame.
Over the past 115 years global average temperatures have increased 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit, leading to record-breaking weather events and temperature extremes, the report says. The global, long-term warming trend is “unambiguous,” it says, and there is “no convincing alternative explanation” that anything other than humans — the cars we drive, the power plants we operate, the forests we destroy — are to blame.
This report has some very powerful, hard-hitting statements that are totally at odds with senior administration folks and at odds with their policies,” said Philip B. Duffy, president of the Woods Hole Research Center. “It begs the question, where are members of the administration getting their information from? They’re obviously not getting it from their own scientists.”
The report says the Earth has set temperature highs for three years running, and six of the last 17 years are the warmest years on record for the globe. Weather catastrophes from floods to hurricanes to heat waves have cost the United States $1.1 trillion since 1980, and the report warns that such phenomena may become common.
“The frequency and intensity of extreme high temperature events are virtually certain to increase in the future as global temperature increases,” the report notes. “Extreme precipitation events will very likely continue to increase in frequency and intensity throughout most of the world.”
In the United States, the report finds that every part of the country has been touched by warming, from droughts in the Southeast to flooding in the Midwest to a worrying rise in air and ground temperatures in Alaska, and conditions will continue to worsen.
“This assessment concludes, based on extensive evidence, that it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the report states. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”
“The frequency and intensity of extreme high temperature events are virtually certain to increase in the future as global temperature increases,” the report notes. “Extreme precipitation events will very likely continue to increase in frequency and intensity throughout most of the world.”
In the United States, the report finds that every part of the country has been touched by warming, from droughts in the Southeast to flooding in the Midwest to a worrying rise in air and ground temperatures in Alaska, and conditions will continue to worsen.
“This assessment concludes, based on extensive evidence, that it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the report states. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”
I wish we could have kept our coal fired power plant here in lawrence co ky. Big paying jobs and new mines open to fill the orders of coal. Just let us keep our little power plant and enjoy prosperity for another 50 yrs. Im sure our one plant wont end the world. Only God knows when the end will happen.
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It has been that way forever.
It has been that way forever.
When I saw that you replied to my thread, I came here fully expecting to see some kind of dismissal or bashing of the contents. Imagine my surprise when instead I found an honest and intelligent reply. Your advice to Sisters is excellent. The world changes. In just the last 150 years our country has shifted from agriculture to industrial to a service and world economy. Adapting is the key to survive it.
Im a miner with black lung. I know far more about the effects of coal dust than anyone. I know coal will be soon not be used at all. I just know people were not ready for a basically over night collapse of coal. Now dont forget coal still powers alot of america. My thread was me hoping we would have been one of those plants to get to run. Now without a doubt young people will know to go to college. I was fortunate. I would say I made more money than alot of college grads. What I WISHED FOR WAS NOT FOR ME BUT SO MANY MINERS I KNOW AND MY HOME TOWN. AS of right now our power comes from that power company up close to wheeling operating on great coal.This country was not near ready to replace coal. Just hope fragging is allowed or say goodbye to the largest seam of gas in america. I pray the goverment will invest in burning coal a far cleaner way. You cant mine coal when their are no power plants to buy it. Sell our coal to other countries happens daily. We do have the best coal in the world. Out west they have seams 80' ft thick but is low quality coal. I agree with you guys.
Miners I know would have excelled at anything. These guys build their own homes themselves. They are good at everything. I myself strived to be like some of these guys. A days pay for a days work motivated me. I love your all concerns about coal. Maybe someday someone will post i have passed. I am kinda mad at that possibility that life could be cut short because of coal. Us miners are a elite bunch of men. My grandson will go to college and get a job not physically hard and wont affect his health. Gosh if I can make it to 80. You all probably will live in your 90's. Then again you could get killed in a car wreck. The end of the world and when we die is controlled by the Lord. Life is but a vapor.
That settles it. The govt says it.....no reason at all to think anything else.
That settles it. The govt says it.....no reason at all to think anything else.
Lol. This was an exhaustive study by 14 government agencies using data and information from the entire world scientific community. In the mean time, our president and his administration have engaged in the age old proven scientific method of scrubbing the government data base of the term "climate change" and canceling the speaking engagements of scientist who were presenting the results of their studies on the matter. Now that's real science there...just remove any data and thwart any discussion that doesn't line up with his own views. Yep...that's real science there boy.
You got the meme wrong. Let me help you.
This sentence is my issue. We have a minuscule record relative to the age of the planet. I've seen studies that say during the time of the dinosaurs CO2 levels were over 7,000ppm, but now we look at 400ppm as some point of no return. The area that is now Canada has, at various times, alternately been buried under 100s of feet of ice and covered in lush tropical vegetation.
As temperatures increase more surface area of the planet becomes hospitable to plant life, more plant life consumes more CO2, lowering levels and cooling the atmosphere. I know you aren't necessarily a big religious proponent, but God devised a heck of a planet. The thought that we need to, or even could, solve this issue is humorous. Look at the oil spill in the Gulf. The largest natural disaster in our lifetime they said, then all of a sudden a bunch of little microbes that we hardly knew about show up and eat all the oil and in six months no one was even talking about it anymore.
The need by humans to feel as if they are in control is our biggest weakness. Yes, we should respect the environment, but never be so vain as to think we could actually control it.
Of course early earth had higher levels of co2. The core was extremely active during that time and volcanic eruptions put a ton of carbon in the air. But what you're leaving out is that man didn't even exist at the time and nor could they have survived under those conditions.
Early Homo sapiens date back 250,000 to 300,000 years. The predecessors of Homo sapiens go back maybe two million years. We can measure directly the amount of carbon in the air since man has been here. We can measure it in the ice cores of Antarctica that date back nearly a million years. During the rise of man the ppm of carbon in the atmosphere fluctuated between 180 to 280 ppm. That suddenly changed in the late 1800s coinciding with the industrial revolution. For the first time since the existence of man it's reached over 400 ppm.
We know where the carbon is coming from because its quantifiable. We measure the output of volcanos. We measure the output of thermal vents. Their contribution to the carbon levels is negligible compared to what we are putting there through the burning of fossil fuels. This is not even disputable. Are you trying to assert that the conditions that gave rise to a high carbon environment during early earth is actually the same reasons that it's rising in the last 100 years? That's just ignoring tangible science. We know what's causing the rise and it's not disputable.
Of course your point is that it has risen and dropped before and life flourished. Of course it has. If you're hanging your hat on wonders and awe of God, there's your way to exult him. Life finds a way. I'm not worried about the eradication of life on the planet. It will flourish. I'm worried about the eradication of human life.
Over 90% of the life that existed during the times of high co2 is now extinct. The life that has risen since then has been a result of natural selection to a changing environment. When the environment rapidly changes, mass extinctions occurs. We can see that in the fossil records. So, your assertion...that this rise in carbon has all happened before...is 100% correct. Its also irrelevant. The fact that it has risen and dropped in the past doesn't mean anything since we weren't here when it did. But the life that was there? Well most of it's gone because of the change. An estimated 5 billion species...gone. You think we should learn something from that?
Have you ever had anyone outside of the banking industry make a statement about banks that you knew to be totally off base? Of course you have and it's happened on this forum. You were quick to correct them and you did so with a high degree of confidence. Why? Because your personal experience and knowledge from years of working in the industry gives you a greater understanding of how it actually works. Yet when the vast majority of the world scientist who do this for a living nearly unanimously agrees that man has their hand in the culpability of climate change, you somehow know better?
We have a president that is actually censoring science. He's removing science from government websites and shutting down the dissemination of any information that doesn't fall within his personal views. You frame this as an ego issue (man believing they have greater control then they do). It's not. It's an ideology issue.
An example of Devine design:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/warm-air-helped-make-2017-ozone-hole-smallest-since-1988
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/warm-air-helped-make-2017-ozone-hole-smallest-since-1988
Yep...that and the banning of fluorocarbons in aerosol cans in the 1980s. I'm glad you brought this up. It's a perfect example of how government can affect positive changes in the environment with their policies.
https://phys.org/news/2016-06-scientists-antarctic-ozone-layer.html
From the artucle...
The authors used "fingerprints" of the ozone changes with season and altitude to attribute the ozone's recovery to the continuing decline of atmospheric chlorine originating from chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs). These chemical compounds were once emitted by dry cleaning processes, old refrigerators, and aerosols such as hairspray. In 1987, virtually every country in the world signed on to the Montreal Protocol in a concerted effort to ban the use of CFCs and repair the ozone hole.
"We can now be confident that the things we've done have put the planet on a path to heal," says lead author Susan Solomon, the Ellen Swallow Richards Professor of Atmospheric Chemistry and Climate Science at MIT. "Which is pretty good for us, isn't it? Aren't we amazing humans, that we did something that created a situation that we decided collectively, as a world, 'Let's get rid of these molecules'? We got rid of them, and now we're seeing the planet respond."
From the artucle...
The authors used "fingerprints" of the ozone changes with season and altitude to attribute the ozone's recovery to the continuing decline of atmospheric chlorine originating from chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs). These chemical compounds were once emitted by dry cleaning processes, old refrigerators, and aerosols such as hairspray. In 1987, virtually every country in the world signed on to the Montreal Protocol in a concerted effort to ban the use of CFCs and repair the ozone hole.
"We can now be confident that the things we've done have put the planet on a path to heal," says lead author Susan Solomon, the Ellen Swallow Richards Professor of Atmospheric Chemistry and Climate Science at MIT. "Which is pretty good for us, isn't it? Aren't we amazing humans, that we did something that created a situation that we decided collectively, as a world, 'Let's get rid of these molecules'? We got rid of them, and now we're seeing the planet respond."
Yes, a good example of the vanity of man. We quit contributing to the problem, but the "healing process" had nothing to do with us.
Climate change is a different beast though. If we want to quit contributing to that problem,based on the belief that we are a major culprit, we have two options, we can stop using fossil fuels immediately and completely, sending society back to the Middle Ages, or we can eradicate about 3 billion people. Of course option 1 would also eventually lead to the same outcome as option 2, but would seem more humane. So let's cut our grass with scissors, ride bikes to work (where we will no longer have lights or computers) - oh, wait, we can't go to work because we will need that time to hunt and gather since large ag companies can't supply the food we need anymore without modern farming practices and we have to kill all the cattle because they fart too much, etc.
Everyone seems to want to think we can fix it, but everything they propose shaves a little here and a little there which, and I'm being generous here, is immaterial in the scheme of things. The Paris thing was a joke, the U.S. can shoulder a disproportionate amount of the economic impact, China and India don't have to play, and there's no penalties if you don't do what you're suppose to. Clown show.
Climate change is a different beast though. If we want to quit contributing to that problem,based on the belief that we are a major culprit, we have two options, we can stop using fossil fuels immediately and completely, sending society back to the Middle Ages, or we can eradicate about 3 billion people. Of course option 1 would also eventually lead to the same outcome as option 2, but would seem more humane. So let's cut our grass with scissors, ride bikes to work (where we will no longer have lights or computers) - oh, wait, we can't go to work because we will need that time to hunt and gather since large ag companies can't supply the food we need anymore without modern farming practices and we have to kill all the cattle because they fart too much, etc.
Everyone seems to want to think we can fix it, but everything they propose shaves a little here and a little there which, and I'm being generous here, is immaterial in the scheme of things. The Paris thing was a joke, the U.S. can shoulder a disproportionate amount of the economic impact, China and India don't have to play, and there's no penalties if you don't do what you're suppose to. Clown show.
I actually agree with a little of what you say. I'm only arguing the validity of man's culpability. As far as the solution...I don't think anyone's suggesting for the immediate stop of fossil fuels. Those who say that and talk about climate change believers wishing to destroy large corporations and leading us back into the middle ages is hyperbole used by the ideologically motivated. Any fair minded person knows that isn't what people want.
The answer...and this is my personal opinion...does not lie with individuals, but with governments. Trading our car for a bike on the morning commute and turning off the bedroom light when we leave has as much a chance of solving the problem as raising the ocean by spitting in it. It will take the commitment of government to solve it. Gradual limits need established while the world scientific community joins together and finds a solution for the replacement of fossil fuels. Great strides are being made. Many countries are having great success.
In February of this year the entire country of Denmark went an entire day on wind energy. Europe is making great strides in renewable energy. Here's a few paragraphs from Futurism...
Many European countries have been sharing similar accomplishments. Wind Europe spokesman Oliver Joy said, “In 2016 we saw the UK was powered without coal for 12 and a half hours, Germany went some days on renewable, and Portugal went four straight days on renewable.
It shows energy transition is underway in Europe and arguably further ahead than anywhere else in the world.”
Scotland has also been investing heavily in renewable energy with wind turbines that could power every household for an entire month. Last year, the country also launched the world’s first large-scale tidal power farm that has to potential to power 175,000 homes.
Costa Rica is one of the most impressive countries to look at in terms of renewable energy. It’s is able to run entirely on renewable energy for months at a time. In fact, in 2015 the country met 99 percent of its total energy need from renewable sources alone.
ct, in 2015 the country met 99 percent of its total energy need from renewable sources alone.
And the belief that China and India can cheat? Maybe...but everything I've read lately tells me they're getting with the program. China is the world's largest user of coal...for obvious reasons...their population and infrastructure. But they are blowing away the US in their move to renewables. They have already met their 2020 renewable goals and are moving to meet their 2030 goals within the upcoming years. Read these articles...seriously read them with an open mind. The repeated mantra about China not making an effort just isn't true...
http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/18/technology/china-us-clean-energy-solar-farm/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/world/asia/china-renewable-energy-investment.html
A large part of the entire world is making the transition. And just like chlorofluorocarbons in the 1980s, our effort can make a difference. This belief that this is some kind of liberal effort to destroy oil companies and bring down the US is silly rhetoric repeated by the ideologically bent. We as individuals can't change anything. But governments working together can. Already Europe is moving toward renewable energy and it's doing so without giving up quality of life, light, computers, etc. that the alarmist promote fighting some fictional bogey man wanting to drive us back to the Middle Ages.
This is great. The guy who refuses to accept a huge amount of quantifiable data directly related to the issue wants to bring a mythological force with absolutely no evidence of existing into the equation.
I meant to respond to this yesterday Sisters, but banker happened. I think it's noble of you to wish for prosperity for the next generation. I think everyone realizes that you are retired and another 50 years of coal productivity will no longer benefit you personally. So for that selflessness you are to be commended.
But I'm just going to throw this out there. Would another 50 years of coal really promote long term prosperity? I used to travel through coal country a little when I was in the insurance business. What I witnessed was widespread poverty with isolated areas of prosperity. The impact that the coal industry left on the land made it look like a 3rd world country.
And although coal provided living wages for a segment of the population, it was making very few people rich outside of the guys that owned the mines. When you couple that with the health impact it has on those who take coal out of the ground (yourself a prime example), is it really worth it? Has coal really improved the lives of people there? West Virginia and parts of Kentucky has depended on coal for going on 100 years, but they rank very low on the totem pole in wealth, income, and health. I just don't see coal as the answer.
I'm thinking the quicker that these areas find alternatives to a coal dominated economy the better the chances are for real long term economic impact and improvements of health.
If it wasn't for coal those areas would be largely uninhabited. The land is not conducive to farming, agriculture, and is very rugged for development. Major industry could not locate there and infrastructure is hard to build there.
That being said, we needed coal and there will always(in our lifetime) be some coal production. Likely no to the levels we saw in the past.
I hate to say it, but I am not sure why most people stay in those areas. What does it really offer a young person?
That being said, we needed coal and there will always(in our lifetime) be some coal production. Likely no to the levels we saw in the past.
I hate to say it, but I am not sure why most people stay in those areas. What does it really offer a young person?
Only way out is combination of nuclear and other renewables. Govt hinders nuclear power development and they need to get out of the way. The small salt reactors look promising
There's so much promise. Who knows what alternative to fossil fuels will end up replacing our present source of power. It may even be something not yet developed. But let them compete fairly in the world energy market. If Costa Rico with its minuscule economy can transition to renewables so can we. Like noted above, most European countries are making the transition and it's not knocking them back to the Middle Ages.
We don't need to turn off our lights and ride bikes (although it certainly would t hurt us) as much as we need to power the lights and run our cars on renewable energy. Electric cars are improving in both efficiency and price. irovements in energy storage (batteries) are improving as well.
But we can't have a president that censors science that doesn't line up with his views. People can be a Trump supporter and still find the scrubbing of government websites from data contrary to his personal views. Certainly they have to abhor not allowing scientist within the government from even presenting their findings. That's just scary stuff.
Tw only way for them to compete fairly is to get govt completely out of the way. No subsidies for anyone. Of course that won’t happen because consumer costs will skyrocket
So, after subsidizing non renewable energy sources for 200 years, you consider that we stop all subsidies while the renewables are in their infancy. And that's completely fair?
Consumer Electricity hasn’t been around 200 years so we haven’t been subsidizing fossil fuels since 1817. And where in the constitution does it say the govt has to be fair. They shouldn’t be picking winners and loser periodSo, after subsidizing non renewable energy sources for 200 years, you consider that we stop all subsidies while the renewables are in their infancy. And that's completely fair?
GK, no offense but Denmark has half the population of Ohio. Half of those people live in 3 cities. The one day thing there seems like a fairly different animal. Also, we don't know what was done as storage leading up to that day or if impacted supply immediately following.
None taken. You picked out one example of many that I gave. Trust me I could fill the page with other examples. The point is simple...you stated we are the only ones that would take on the economic burden. That is false.
so, there was guy in central park with his arms around a tree. a jogger runs by and asks him what he's doing. dude says, "it's national green peace day and i'm hugging a tree! would you like to join me?" jogger says, "sure, what the hell!", and wraps his arms around a tree. dude pulls out a set of handcuffs, slaps them on the joggers wrists pinning him to the tree, jerks the joggers pants shorts down, steals his wallet, and runs off.
another guy happens to come by and asks what the hell the jogger is doing with his arms around the tree and his shorts on the ground. jogger explains what happened. guy walks up unzipping his trousers and says, "today just isn't your lucky day is it, pal?"
another guy happens to come by and asks what the hell the jogger is doing with his arms around the tree and his shorts on the ground. jogger explains what happened. guy walks up unzipping his trousers and says, "today just isn't your lucky day is it, pal?"
my apologies for going to far. two straight losses has me in a bad mood.Man...talk about stepping over the line and taking things to far...
if it weren't for Trump, I'd be downright miserable
My comment on the economic burden was specific to the Paris climate deal and the UN Green Fund - to which we have paid in over a billion dollars to help fund other countries energy iniatives. You know, some of those things you are saying other countries are doing.
