Setting the table: 8 game winning streak for Herd basketball Feb 1973

[W-S HerdFan]

OK - we are in the midst of a historic sports drought. So, tagging on to the end of the Carl Tacy thread, I want to harken back to the next season - the Senior season for D’Antoni, Noll, Collins & James. Missing only Russell Lee in the starting lineup, still a very talented 1st 5. Enter 1st year HC Bob Daniels. More on him later. For now, consider a 8 game winning streak the Herd strung together in February 1973. Famous at the time for an up tempo offense and their remarkable NCAA tourney invitation the previous season, Marshall averaged an incredible 97.5 points per game during the first 4 games of that streak!
The other remarkable stat: Upsetting a top 20 team on the road. It happened in Tulsa OK vs Oral Roberts.
? In the modern era (say 1960 forward) the occasions when Marshall has gone on the road and dropped an L on a team inside the top 20 AP poll is........only the one just mentioned? Or is there one other I’m not thinking of? When we beat Middle on the road in 2018, I believe they were #25....
More later.....

 

[Herdmeister]

OK - we are in the midst of a historic sports drought. So, tagging on to the end of the Carl Tacy thread, I want to harken back to the next season - the Senior season for D’Antoni, Noll, Collins & James. Missing only Russell Lee in the starting lineup, still a very talented 1st 5. Enter 1st year HC Bob Daniels. More on him later. For now, consider a 4 game winning streak the Herd strung together in February 1973. Famous at the time for an up tempo offense and their remarkable NCAA tourney invitation the previous season, Marshall averaged an incredible 97.5 points per game.
The other remarkable stat: Upsetting a top 20 team on the road. It happened in Tulsa OK vs Oral Roberts.
? In the modern era (say 1960 forward) the occasions when Marshall has gone on the road and dropped an L on a team inside the top 20 AP poll is........only the one just mentioned? Or is there one other I’m not thinking of? When we beat Middle on the road in 2018, I believe they were #25....
More later.....

as you recall in that same 8 game streak, we beat a very good Florida State team on the road as well

 

[Pioneer_PA]

OK - we are in the midst of a historic sports drought. So, tagging on to the end of the Carl Tacy thread, I want to harken back to the next season - the Senior season for D’Antoni, Noll, Collins & James. Missing only Russell Lee in the starting lineup, still a very talented 1st 5. Enter 1st year HC Bob Daniels. More on him later. For now, consider a 4 game winning streak the Herd strung together in February 1973. Famous at the time for an up tempo offense and their remarkable NCAA tourney invitation the previous season, Marshall averaged an incredible 97.5 points per game.
The other remarkable stat: Upsetting a top 20 team on the road. It happened in Tulsa OK vs Oral Roberts.
? In the modern era (say 1960 forward) the occasions when Marshall has gone on the road and dropped an L on a team inside the top 20 AP poll is........only the one just mentioned? Or is there one other I’m not thinking of? When we beat Middle on the road in 2018, I believe they were #25....
More later.....

Dayton was ranked when we won there in 2000-ish. I don’t think they were top 20, though.

Also have to remember, we haven’t had too many opportunities (outside of Memphis) to play such teams the past 40 years.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

as you recall in that same 8 game streak, we beat a very good Florida State team on the road as well

meister - I cleaned it up - thanks! I am being lazy here: How did the hiring of Bob Daniels take place? Tacy leaves; what was Bob’s background?

 

[imherdfan]

I think he was the coach at Kentucky Wesleyan, they were a successful D2 program if I recall correctly.

 

[Herdmeister]

I think he was the coach at Kentucky Wesleyan, they were a successful D2 program if I recall correctly.

You are 100% correct. IMO, he continued recruiting DII talent for the most part after he got here

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Dayton was ranked when we won there in 2000-ish. I don’t think they were top 20, though.

Also have to remember, we haven’t had too many opportunities (outside of Memphis) to play such teams the past 40 years.

Pioneer - great ? ! So, with nothing but time, I sifted through the schedules from ‘59-‘60 through ‘19-‘20 (60 seasons)
The result?
Given the parameter of: A regular season road win on the home court of a team who, on the date the game was played was ranked top 20 (or higher) (AP) —— The Herd has had 28 opportunities. We have pulled off the upset exactly 1 time....ONE!
And it is indeed that February date in 1973 that we did it. Will try to get the HD articles from day of game & day after. Wonder if Ernie flew to Tulsa?
Go Herd!!

 

[Herdmeister]

Pioneer - great ? ! So, with nothing but time, I sifted through the schedules from ‘59-‘60 through ‘19-‘20 (60 seasons)
The result?
Given the parameter of: A regular season road win on the home court of a team who, on the date the game was played was ranked top 20 (or higher) (AP) —— The Herd has had 28 opportunities. We have pulled off the upset exactly 1 time....ONE!
And it is indeed that February date in 1973 that we did it. Will try to get the HD articles from day of game & day after. Wonder if Ernie flew to Tulsa?
Go Herd!!

Only Mike Brown and I were in Tulsa for the ODU game

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Only Mike Brown and I were in Tulsa for the ODU game

Back in the day, would it be safe to say that an away game that far from Htgn would basically be covered off the wire? I mean, if the game was televised locally in Tulsa in 1973, no one locally could watch it, even on delay.....
Our record over the last 60:


Va Tech #20 1975-76

MD #9 1980-81 (Buck Williams, Terps dominant)

Pitt #11 1990-91

ETSU #12 “

NC #2 1993-94 (Freeman “error”)

Kentucky #5 1994-95 “

WFU #18 “ (Tim Duncan, frosh center)

Clemson #6 1996-97

Cincy #16 2000-01

KY #4 2001-02

Memphis #14 2006-07

NC #10 2009-10

UCF #19 2010-11 (pre-fake heart attack Herrion)

Syracuse #3 2011-12

Lville #7 2014-15

MD #4 2015-16

Xavier #9 2017-18

UVA #4 2018-19 (staff trainer scores after suiting up)

(added games in the 60’s)

Toledo #18 59-60

Cincy #2 61-62

Loyola #2 62-63

Loyola #10 63-64

Loyola #9 65-66

Duquesne #11 69-70

 

[Herdmeister]

Back in the day, would it be safe to say that an away game that far from Htgn would basically be covered off the wire? I mean, if the game was televised locally in Tulsa in 1973, no one locally could watch it, even on delay.....
Our record over the last 60:


Va Tech #20 1975-76

MD #9 1980-81 (Buck Williams, Terps dominant)

Pitt #11 1990-91

ETSU #12 “

NC #2 1993-94 (Freeman “error”)

Kentucky #5 1994-95 “

WFU #18 “ (Tim Duncan, frosh center)

Clemson #6 1996-97

Cincy #16 2000-01

KY #4 2001-02

Memphis #14 2006-07

NC #10 2009-10

UCF #19 2010-11 (pre-fake heart attack Herrion)

Syracuse #3 2011-12

Lville #7 2014-15

MD #4 2015-16

Xavier #9 2017-18

UVA #4 2018-19 (staff trainer scores after suiting up)

(added games in the 60’s)

Toledo #18 59-60

Cincy #2 61-62

Loyola #2 62-63

Loyola #10 63-64

Loyola #9 65-66

Duquesne #11 69-70

Actually beat writers like Mike Brown, would cover more away games then than they do for mid major schools now.
Unless the game is at Morehead or Athens, you never see Grant Traylor at an away basketball game today. Football is a different story however.
I know I was with quite a few Huntington and Charleston writers in the era covering away Herd hoops games

 

[W-S HerdFan]

So, we’re starting with Mike Brown’s Friday article previewing the ORU game & reviewing the Herd’s road win in Oxford vs the hated Redskins....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fa4w61bs3folzpu/IMG_1996.jpg?dl=0

 

[oldeherd]

Back in the day, would it be safe to say that an away game that far from Htgn would basically be covered off the wire? I mean, if the game was televised locally in Tulsa in 1973, no one locally could watch it, even on delay.....
Our record over the last 60:


Va Tech #20 1975-76

MD #9 1980-81 (Buck Williams, Terps dominant)

Pitt #11 1990-91

ETSU #12 “

NC #2 1993-94 (Freeman “error”)

Kentucky #5 1994-95 “

WFU #18 “ (Tim Duncan, frosh center)

Clemson #6 1996-97

Cincy #16 2000-01

KY #4 2001-02

Memphis #14 2006-07

NC #10 2009-10

UCF #19 2010-11 (pre-fake heart attack Herrion)

Syracuse #3 2011-12

Lville #7 2014-15

MD #4 2015-16

Xavier #9 2017-18

UVA #4 2018-19 (staff trainer scores after suiting up)

(added games in the 60’s)

Toledo #18 59-60

Cincy #2 61-62

Loyola #2 62-63

Loyola #10 63-64

Loyola #9 65-66

Duquesne #11 69-70

Good Stuff! And some great memories awakened by this thread. First, let me comment about those Loyola games in the 60s. That was the hey day of George Ireland's Powerhouse Rambler teams. That 62-63 team, I believe, was the NCAA champions! We played them once, for sure, in H-town, 64-65, IIRC. When they came on the floor for warm ups, they still had NCAA champs badges on a warm up sleeve. Redd, Stone and Co. mopped the floor with them! They returned the favor the next year in "Chee-cog-O"!! They played their home games in a 2000 seat bandbox known as Alumni Gym.

In 2001, I believe the game we lost to Cincy was by one or two points, Think it was a game where Tamar Slay torched them for over 30 points. Don't know if Florida State was ranked when we beat them in Tallahassee or not, but they had a "super star" player: Red Cowens. He later was the next great Celtic center after Russell. But couldn't beat the Herd!!

 

[oldeherd]

Pioneer - great ? ! So, with nothing but time, I sifted through the schedules from ‘59-‘60 through ‘19-‘20 (60 seasons)
The result?
Given the parameter of: A regular season road win on the home court of a team who, on the date the game was played was ranked top 20 (or higher) (AP) —— The Herd has had 28 opportunities. We have pulled off the upset exactly 1 time....ONE!
And it is indeed that February date in 1973 that we did it. Will try to get the HD articles from day of game & day after. Wonder if Ernie flew to Tulsa?
Go Herd!!

In 18-19, when we play UVA, we also played the TERPS there; weren't they in the top 25 in one or so polls at the time? I know Notre Dame wasn't ranked when played there this past season, but what about Florida's Gators?

 

[Herdmeister]

In 18-19, when we play UVA, we also played the TERPS there; weren't they in the top 25 in one or so polls at the time? I know Notre Dame wasn't ranked when played there this past season, but what about Florida's Gators?

Maryland was ranked and Florida had been ranked a week or two before our game. Not sure if they were at the exact time

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Good Stuff! And some great memories awakened by this thread. First, let me comment about those Loyola games in the 60s. That was the hey day of George Ireland's Powerhouse Rambler teams. That 62-63 team, I believe, was the NCAA champions! We played them once, for sure, in H-town, 64-65, IIRC. When they came on the floor for warm ups, they still had NCAA champs badges on a warm up sleeve. Redd, Stone and Co. mopped the floor with them! They returned the favor the next year in "Chee-cog-O"!! They played their home games in a 2000 seat bandbox known as Alumni Gym.

In 2001, I believe the game we lost to Cincy was by one or two points, Think it was a game where Tamar Slay torched them for over 30 points. Don't know if Florida State was ranked when we beat them in Tallahassee or not, but they had a "super star" player: Red Cowens. He later was the next great Celtic center after Russell. But couldn't beat the Herd!!

Schedule and Results
1 Wed, Dec 7, 1966 REG @ Eastern Kentucky OVC
6 Wed, Jan 4, 1967 REG Eastern Kentucky OVC W 112 83 3 3 W 1 Memorial Field House
7 Sat, Jan 7, 1967 REG @ Bowling Green State MAC W 79 74 4 3 W 2 Anderson Arena
8 Wed, Jan 11, 1967 REG @ Ohio MAC L 93 94 4 4 L 1 Grover Center
9 Sat, Jan 14, 1967 REG Saint Francis (PA) Ind W 101 83 5 4 W 1 Memorial Field House
10 Sat, Jan 21, 1967 REG Loyola (IL) Ind W 97 81 6 4 W 2 Memorial Field House
11 Wed, Jan 25, 1967 REG @ Florida State Ind W 77 71 7 4 W 3

 

[W-S HerdFan]

.....Game day! Mike Brown got cutesy with the article title.....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lehmxx4mksmun62/Photo Apr 21, 13 31 12.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ukg2yeyw892qb7a/Photo Apr 21, 13 36 57.jpg?dl=0

....67.1 rebounds per game? Seems improbable, at best....

 

[W-S HerdFan]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cvkbjyldnrwjbg/Photo Apr 21, 13 56 05.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0xfo5euaeegv62/Photo Apr 21, 13 56 55.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g9qclod48xlx9sc/Photo Apr 21, 14 10 55.jpg?dl=0

Just to start: Name a game where a team placed 7 players in double figures....and lost?

Name a game where a team had not 2, not 3, not 4 but 5 players foul out? Add Collins & Noll makes 7 for the contest. 2 man referee crew? Worn slap out!

Technical on Trickey and the ORU bench...

Cute overherd conversation between little boy and his Dad. 52 game home winning streak snapped. 1st loss in new facility....

 

[oldeherd]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cvkbjyldnrwjbg/Photo Apr 21, 13 56 05.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0xfo5euaeegv62/Photo Apr 21, 13 56 55.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g9qclod48xlx9sc/Photo Apr 21, 14 10 55.jpg?dl=0

Just to start: Name a game where a team placed 7 players in double figures....and lost?

Name a game where a team had not 2, not 3, not 4 but 5 players foul out? Add Collins & Noll makes 7 for the contest. 2 man referee crew? Worn slap out!

Technical on Trickey and the ORU bench...

Cute overherd conversation between little boy and his Dad. 52 game home winning streak snapped. 1st loss in new facility....

I know the Herd played Loyola (IL) 4 or 5 seasons in a row, W-S. Perhaps the series started a year or two after they were national champs.

As for ORU, many may not know, or recall, that Roberts, the Evangelist, thought that through sports, he could grow/promote both his University and his growing evangelical religious "empire" and garner more television/media exposure. Sort of what the Falwell family has done/is doing currently at Liberty U. The ORU basketball program was the bell weather of that school's sports program when the Herd got this impressive win out in Tulsa (no football program). Again, "good stuff"!!

 

[imherdfan]

I remember listening to that Oral Roberts game on the radio. It was a very exciting game, big rally at the end of regulation and a win in OT!!

 

[Herdmeister]

I remember listening to that Oral Roberts game on the radio. It was a very exciting game, big rally at the end of regulation and a win in OT!!

Super exciting. Ty Collins was magic that night

 

[Herdmeister]

I know the Herd played Loyola (IL) 4 or 5 seasons in a row, W-S. Perhaps the series started a year or two after they were national champs.

As for ORU, many may not know, or recall, that Roberts, the Evangelist, thought that through sports, he could grow/promote both his University and his growing evangelical religious "empire" and garner more television/media exposure. Sort of what the Falwell family has done/is doing currently at Liberty U. The ORU basketball program was the bell weather of that school's sports program when the Herd got this impressive win out in Tulsa (no football program). Again, "good stuff"!!

I remember talking to Mike D'Antoni after the game out there. He was so impressed with the facility and campus he told me that he would have seriously considered going there had they recruited him.
A few years ago when we played Tulsa, I took time to tour ORU. It is now very dated. It looks like it most likely did in 1972. I saw no new buildings on campus at the time of the visit

 

[W-S HerdFan]

meister - It must have been a physical game! 7 players foul out, 5 for OR & Collins, then 13 seconds later Noll go out for us in the OT period. Sounds like we had some good contributions from the bench late...is Mike Brown still with us?

 

[Herdmeister]

meister - It must have been a physical game! 7 players foul out, 5 for OR & Collins, then 13 seconds later Noll go out for us in the OT period. Sounds like we had some good contributions from the bench late...is Mike Brown still with us?

Yes, he is. Although I have not talked to him, I see him on Facebook chatting with Frank Giardina and former SID Mac Yates

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Epilogue:
Marshall runs out the rest of the reg season, propelling them to an invite to the 16 team N.I.T. with a 20-6 record. Back in 1973, this is still a name tourney, and the field included UNC. (Funny side note for Green Duke: The Tarheels ended up winning the 3rd place game. Apparently, for years they had a banner hung in the Smith Center proclaiming: 3rd Place 1973 N.I.T. - complaints eventually caused the banner to come down.)
The Herd, appearing in it's 3rd post season tourney in the last 7 seasons, drew Fairfield (The Stags) in the opening round in NYC @ the MSG. We were pretty solidly favored to easily dispatch the local (?) team, and led the game 27-12 halfway through the opening 20 minutes.
But when Billy James picked up his 3rd foul at that point in the game, he was pulled and the momentum started to shift.
Were any of you at the game to pick it up from there?

 

[Herdmeister]

Epilogue:
Marshall runs out the rest of the reg season, propelling them to an invite to the 16 team N.I.T. with a 20-6 record. Back in 1973, this is still a name tourney, and the field included UNC. (Funny side note for Green Duke: The Tarheels ended up winning the 3rd place game. Apparently, for years they had a banner hung in the Smith Center proclaiming: 3rd Place 1973 N.I.T. - complaints eventually caused the banner to come down.)
The Herd, appearing in it's 3rd post season tourney in the last 7 seasons, drew Fairfield (The Stags) in the opening round in NYC @ the MSG. We were pretty solidly favored to easily dispatch the local (?) team, and led the game 27-12 halfway through the opening 20 minutes.
But when Billy James picked up his 3rd foul at that point in the game, he was pulled and the momentum started to shift.
Were any of you at the game to pick it up from there?

I have to totally blame Bob Daniels for that loss. I was at press row sitting 2 spots down from Dick Young, a famous NYC sports writer at the time. We came out with guns blazing in the first half. Had a significant lead at the half. Young leaned over to me and said, "wow, where has this team been all year". Then as we started second half play, Daniels pulled on the reigns and slowed them down. We lost momentum and when asked to kick it back up, it was too late. The momentum had shifted and we were dispatched back to Huntington. A very disappointing loss. Everyone knew coming into the tournament that Fairfield was only there due to their near NYC location and were clearly the weakest team in the 16 team field

 

[GreenDuke]

Epilogue:
Marshall runs out the rest of the reg season, propelling them to an invite to the 16 team N.I.T. with a 20-6 record. Back in 1973, this is still a name tourney, and the field included UNC. (Funny side note for Green Duke: The Tarheels ended up winning the 3rd place game. Apparently, for years they had a banner hung in the Smith Center proclaiming: 3rd Place 1973 N.I.T. - complaints eventually caused the banner to come down.)
The Herd, appearing in it's 3rd post season tourney in the last 7 seasons, drew Fairfield (The Stags) in the opening round in NYC @ the MSG. We were pretty solidly favored to easily dispatch the local (?) team, and led the game 27-12 halfway through the opening 20 minutes.
But when Billy James picked up his 3rd foul at that point in the game, he was pulled and the momentum started to shift.
Were any of you at the game to pick it up from there?

Yeah the cheats have a low bar for hanging rafter rags.

It was the third NIT and fourth overall tournament appearance in seven years.

The Fairfield loss was awful, they might have had one player that would have started for that Marshall team.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

You’re right Duke. I remember a local company had made a bunch of styrofoam hats with a Marshall band to go around the brim. The Faithful wore them to the game. After the upset, some Fairfield fans got a hold of some and were having great fun stomping them to pieces, the little fragments going everywhere....