SHR-Stansbury Can't Coach

[Herdmeister]

Watching the Hilltoppers play Louisville tonight. With all that talent as a friend of mine said, he can't win a big game. He makes no adjustments. He had the best player on the floor and probably 2 or 3 of the best 5 on the floor but to no avail.
Lost by 21 after trailing by 5 at the half.
Bassey and Hollingsworth got their points 13 and 19 respectively but no more than 5 from anyone else.
Turnovers killed them and miserable 3 point shooting 3/18.
Frampton has only 1 asset in his game. Long range shooting, He was 1 from 6 in 25 minutes His defense kills him. Too slow footed to contribute defensively.

 

[cincyherdfan]

Not sure I’d say he can’t coach....guy has won 350+ games and done so at Miss State and a handful of years at WKU.....neither necessarily powerhouses but he’s done fairly well at both. Especially is record in the SEC at Miss State.

Plenty of 20+ win seasons, and quite a few of those when 20 wins was a magic number when only playing 26-28 regular season games.....now 24-25 is the magic number for wins in a year.

Tonight he did have the best player on the floor in Bassey, but Louisville is the better team no question and did what a good ACC team should do to a C-USA team. Especially playing in the YUM Center.

They handled the ball much better, WKU simply couldn’t throw it in the ocean from the beach.
Lord knows we’ve seen that happen around here plenty.

WKU hung right with Louisville on the boards and matched them physically and it was a very good game til a UofL run with 8-9 min left....it was just a awful night for the Hilltoppers putting the ball in the basket and had some bad turnovers....Anderson had some crucial turnovers and Bassey had his fair share too.....Louisville was very aggressive when he’d get the ball and not giving him easy passing lanes and that led to him making mistakes.

Watching those two teams showed the importance of physicality and defense. Both of those teams will win a lot of games this year. I’m not a big Chris Mack fan but holy cow much respect for how his team prepares and practices. Certainly translates to the court.

WKU could very well win this conference....if they can stay healthy....last year they battled health all year and still finished top 2 I believe. We’ll see how it shakes out but two good teams battled tonight.

 

[cottrell75]

Watching the Hilltoppers play Louisville tonight. With all that talent as a friend of mine said, he can't win a big game. He makes no adjustments. He had the best player on the floor and probably 2 or 3 of the best 5 on the floor but to no avail.
Lost by 21 after trailing by 5 at the half.
Bassey and Hollingsworth got their points 13 and 19 respectively but no more than 5 from anyone else.
Turnovers killed them and miserable 3 point shooting 3/18.
Frampton has only 1 asset in his game. Long range shooting, He was 1 from 6 in 25 minutes His defense kills him. Too slow footed to contribute defensively.

You are going to get some Putnam County hate on here and told how he’d be the 2nd coming of Jerry West.

 

[Herdmeister]

In my opinion no one else is in CUSA is anywhere close to how good WKU is.

I'd be pretty surprised if they don't win the conference fairly easily.

I agree with you. But bottom line, he doesn't win the BIG game. He has won ZERO conference title games

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

I agree with you. But bottom line, he doesn't win the BIG game. He has won ZERO conference title games

Sadly, he may get number 1 this year. The dude can recruit, not sure how he does it, but he can get them to come to Bowling Green, Ky.

 

[MichiganHerd]

I'm guessing Marshall will probably suffer a similar fate tomorrow night in Dayton against Wright State.

 

[1herdfifteen]

I agree with you. But bottom line, he doesn't win the BIG game. He has won ZERO conference title games

I fully expect Marshall to compete with them once we reach conference tournament time, our freshmen from Logan County should be ready with a season under their belt.

 

[lexkyherdfan]

I agree with you. But bottom line, he doesn't win the BIG game. He has won ZERO conference title games

I wouldn't say he doesn't win the big game. While he hasn't one a conference title...(we have only won one in how many years)? A conference title will come for them unfortunately. how long did it take us to win one?

How many regular season big wins do we have in recent history?

Wins WKU has since he has been there
2017-2018
Beat No. 18/16 Purdue
In the NIT (thanks to us beating them) they beat Boston College at home and USC and Oklahoma State both on the road.
They beat us 2 out of 3 but we won the one that mattered in the tournament.

2018-2019
Beat #23 WVU, Arkansas at Arkansas, #15/16 Wisconsin at home
We split with them this year

2018-2019
Beat Arkansas at home
beat us twice

This year
Beat Northern Iowa and Memphis and lost a close one to #15 WVU.

If we had any of the major conference wins we would talk about how big of a win they are. To my knowledge our biggest win in the last 6-8 years was over a ranked MTSU squad that was not in the NCAA tournament or one of the undercard tournaments. We have no wins against a team from a major conference.

I love Coach DD at Marshall and he fits us well but lets be honest...we haven't won a large amount of BIG games. Last year we should have beat Florida and played Notre Dame close but playing close is still a loss. This year thanks to COVID we don't get the chances against a team from a power conference. Too bad the UK game was cancelled. Tonight will be a nice game and Northern Iowa in a few weeks will be another nice game.

Heck, within the past week, Liberty beat Mississippi State and South Carolina in back to back games. Wouldn't that be nice.

Should he win more with his talent? Absolutely he should but let's not pretend he hasn't won some big games at WKU.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

I wouldn't say he doesn't win the big game. While he hasn't one a conference title...(we have only won one in how many years)? A conference title will come for them unfortunately. how long did it take us to win one?

How many regular season big wins do we have in recent history?

Wins WKU has since he has been there
2017-2018
Beat No. 18/16 Purdue
In the NIT (thanks to us beating them) they beat Boston College at home and USC and Oklahoma State both on the road.
They beat us 2 out of 3 but we won the one that mattered in the tournament.

2018-2019
Beat #23 WVU, Arkansas at Arkansas, #15/16 Wisconsin at home
We split with them this year

2018-2019
Beat Arkansas at home
beat us twice

This year
Beat Northern Iowa and Memphis and lost a close one to #15 WVU.

If we had any of the major conference wins we would talk about how big of a win they are. To my knowledge our biggest win in the last 6-8 years was over a ranked MTSU squad that was not in the NCAA tournament or one of the undercard tournaments. We have no wins against a team from a major conference.

I love Coach DD at Marshall and he fits us well but lets be honest...we haven't won a large amount of BIG games. Last year we should have beat Florida and played Notre Dame close but playing close is still a loss. This year thanks to COVID we don't get the chances against a team from a power conference. Too bad the UK game was cancelled. Tonight will be a nice game and Northern Iowa in a few weeks will be another nice game.

Heck, within the past week, Liberty beat Mississippi State and South Carolina in back to back games. Wouldn't that be nice.

Should he win more with his talent? Absolutely he should but let's not pretend he hasn't won some big games at WKU.

Good post

 

[Josh Stowers]

Watching the Hilltoppers play Louisville tonight. With all that talent as a friend of mine said, he can't win a big game. He makes no adjustments. He had the best player on the floor and probably 2 or 3 of the best 5 on the floor but to no avail.
Lost by 21 after trailing by 5 at the half.
Bassey and Hollingsworth got their points 13 and 19 respectively but no more than 5 from anyone else.
Turnovers killed them and miserable 3 point shooting 3/18.
Frampton has only 1 asset in his game. Long range shooting, He was 1 from 6 in 25 minutes His defense kills him. Too slow footed to contribute defensively.

Let me preface this by saying Stansbury is as crooked as they come. There's a reason he's able to reel in the talent he does and it's not because Bowling Green, KY is an inviting city.

With that said, I'm not real sure where you're trying to go with this post.

As others have stated, Stansbury may not be hoisting trophy after trophy (or any at all), but the guy is at the forefront of the conference in terms of the coaching circle.

Lastly, I'm not real sure why you'd bash on Frampton. He's a better shooter than anyone on our roster and statistically speaking (Defensive Win Shares) he would be the 2nd best defender on our roster (based off last year's performance) behind Jarrod. I know where the whole "too slow footed" comment came from, and that's a joke in itself.

 

[herdalicious]

Let me preface this by saying Stansbury is as crooked as they come. There's a reason he's able to reel in the talent he does and it's not because Bowling Green, KY is an inviting city.

This, this, this - so much this.

He's a good coach in the sense that most coaches are pretty knowledgeable about the sport and can train players on how to play it on the collegiate level, but he's a great coach in the sense of HERE'S THAT CASH MONEY BABY

 

[cincyherdfan]

Very well said Chris, Josh and Lexyherd.

100% agree with all 3

 

[Ninegate]

Let me preface this by saying Stansbury is as crooked as they come. There's a reason he's able to reel in the talent he does and it's not because Bowling Green, KY is an inviting city.

With that said, I'm not real sure where you're trying to go with this post.

As others have stated, Stansbury may not be hoisting trophy after trophy (or any at all), but the guy is at the forefront of the conference in terms of the coaching circle.

Lastly, I'm not real sure why you'd bash on Frampton. He's a better shooter than anyone on our roster and statistically speaking (Defensive Win Shares) he would be the 2nd best defender on our roster (based off last year's performance) behind Jarrod. I know where the whole "too slow footed" comment came from, and that's a joke in itself.

I hope that comment did not come from our coaches.

 

[Josh Stowers]

I hope that comment did not come from our coaches.

I believe the exact quote was “not athletic enough.”

 

[captain jb22]

Stansbury couldn’t coach John Holmes to go deeper, let alone a basketball team loaded with talent.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Hopefully DD can coach up our kids tonight. I know, we've lost prep time to COVID.

 

[Herdmeister]

Hopefully DD can coach up our kids tonight. I know, we've lost prep time to COVID.

But so have they. In fact they just returned to practice a couple of days ago. That is why the game was moved back a day to allow them an extra day of practice

 

[Herdmeister]

Let me preface this by saying Stansbury is as crooked as they come. There's a reason he's able to reel in the talent he does and it's not because Bowling Green, KY is an inviting city.

With that said, I'm not real sure where you're trying to go with this post.

As others have stated, Stansbury may not be hoisting trophy after trophy (or any at all), but the guy is at the forefront of the conference in terms of the coaching circle.

Lastly, I'm not real sure why you'd bash on Frampton. He's a better shooter than anyone on our roster and statistically speaking (Defensive Win Shares) he would be the 2nd best defender on our roster (based off last year's performance) behind Jarrod. I know where the whole "too slow footed" comment came from, and that's a joke in itself.

I guess you and the coaches see foot movement speed totally different. Since they are paid to coach and I assume you aren't. I'll accept their judgement. No offense to you. That is the main reason he was not offered at MU after his time at Davidson. BTW he is presently the 3rd best 3 point shooter per average on the WKU team

 

[Sean Hammond]

I believe Stansbury does a nice job of preparing for his opponent. I've seen him throw wrinkles at people and think to myself, "damn, that's really smart." However, when you crack his code in the middle of the game, he's either very slow to adjust or resistant to it. I'm not sure if it's his inability to make in-game adjustments or his belief that he's going to stick to his guns and ride it out.

Either way, it's not breaking news that Stansbury is what the original post lays out. I think there are different reasons for why "he is who he is"--I had similar thoughts on Donnie Jones, but his team is talented and if WKU doesn't win it again this year, it will be because someone pulls off the upset.

 

[Josh Stowers]

I guess you and the coaches see foot movement speed totally different. Since they are paid to coach and I assume you aren't. I'll accept their judgement. No offense to you. That is the main reason he was not offered at MU after his time at Davidson. BTW he is presently the 3rd best 3 point shooter per average on the WKU team

I knew exactly where the foot speed comment came from, and exactly where it stems from. I can tell you first hand that not all coaches share that opinion nor did they choose to use the "well, he's just not athletic enough to play at Marshall" as a way to save face for Luke choosing Davidson originally.

Think about what you're saying for a minute. You're (well Dan I should say) saying that there are certain guys that have played (or are still playing) under Dan that Frampton didn't have better (or at least comparable) foot speed than? C'mon man......

I'm hardly going to acknowledge your comment about WKU shooters seeing how Luke basically sat out an entire season and is playing in a new system. Let's look at their career numbers and see where things fall. The only kid that would be even REMOTELY close would be Carson Williams and that's simply because Luke's taken over 3x as many career 3-pt attempts than him. Hell, Luke MADE more 3-pt shots in one season than Williams has taken in his career at WKU (100-plus games).

Simple fact is that Luke was never coming here as a transfer. Between Dan's comments on transfers and the way things ended with Noah, it wasn't happening.

 

[lexkyherdfan]

I guess you and the coaches see foot movement speed totally different. Since they are paid to coach and I assume you aren't. I'll accept their judgement. No offense to you. That is the main reason he was not offered at MU after his time at Davidson. BTW he is presently the 3rd best 3 point shooter per average on the WKU team

We have had far too many misses on recruits to say this kid couldn’t have helped us. how many players have we brought here that didn’t add value to our team and have left well before graduating.

The Frampton kid and Holden kid could help this program.

I love what DD has done but he has had his fair share of misses like the football team has. I don’t remember how many times I have read this kid is going to be a stud or that kid will be great but nothing ever happened. The kids moved on.

just like when we weren’t ready for Elmore to leave. We needed someone behind him playing preparing for their sophmore year. It wasn’t like we all didn’t know he was a senior.

 

[oldeherd]

We have had far too many misses on recruits to say this kid couldn’t have helped us. how many players have we brought here that didn’t add value to our team and have left well before graduating.

The Frampton kid and Holden kid could help this program.

I love what DD has done but he has had his fair share of misses like the football team has. I don’t remember how many times I have read this kid is going to be a stud or that kid will be great but nothing ever happened. The kids moved on.

just like when we weren’t ready for Elmore to leave. We needed someone behind him playing preparing for their sophmore year. It wasn’t like we all didn’t know he was a senior.

Agree. IMO DD went way too heavily on Eastern Europe players and let an assistant bring in guys who never made it, and some who never came close! Got one diamond in the rough with Penava and then, apparently, went "all in" on those kinds of players. In the whole, they tally up on the negative side of the ledger, IMO, and the ones we have now give no indication that they will be anything but spot, role type players from the bench. Oh, and the ones who left MU for other schools haven't exactly set the world on fire, from what I can find out.

 

[cottrell75]

Agree. IMO DD went way too heavily on Eastern Europe players and let an assistant bring in guys who never made it, and some who never came close! Got one diamond in the rough with Penava and then, apparently, went "all in" on those kinds of players. In the whole, they tally up on the negative side of the ledger, IMO, and the ones we have now give no indication that they will be anything but spot, role type players from the bench. Oh, and the ones who left MU for other schools haven't exactly set the world on fire, from what I can find out.

Whatever happened to Fever, or 2.0? He really loved the Euros.

 

[HerdFan73]

Whatever happened to Fever, or 2.0? He really loved the Euros.

Probably “borrowed” money from the wrong Euro.

 

[goherd13]

Whatever happened to Fever, or 2.0? He really loved the Euros.

Euro trash, DII rejects and white boy basketball, were words/phrases all mentioned frequently