siap MU hires Georgia assistant Pat Bastein to be DB coach...

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Marshall: Georgia assistant director of player development Pat Bastein will be the defensive backs coach at Marshall, tweets Bruce Feldman.

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Pat Bastien, Georgia Southern, Linebackers Coach (26): A former captain at UAB, Bastien's already put two linebackers in the NFL from Georgia Southern. Ukeme Eligwe was taken in the fifth round of the 2017 NFL Draft, and Ironhead Gallon signed with the Colts as an undrafted free agent. Both had more than 100 tackles in 2016.
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another great hire by Doc!

 

[RhinoD]

This kid has future DC written all over him... Whether its at MU or somewhere else... Good hire.

 

[riflearm2]

This kid has future DC written all over him... Whether its at MU or somewhere else... Good hire.

another great hire by Doc!

What makes this a "good" or "great" hire, and more, what makes him a "future DC written all over him"?

The guy was a GA at UCF. He then coached linebackers at Georgia Southern before being let go. He was then hired at Southern, which is in the worst FCS conference in the country, where he stayed four months before becoming the assistant director of player development at Georgia where his focus is totally off of the field and on academic and personal development of players.

He's never coached defensive backs unless as a GA. He was let go at a Sun Belt school and spent four months in the worst FCS conference (in the off-season) before working with players at Georgia on academics and personal development.

I'm missing "good," "great," and definitely "future DC written all over him."

 

[MichiganHerd]

Great hire!!!!

 

[MrHerd05]

Spectacular hire~

 

[herdfan429]

What makes this a "good" or "great" hire, and more, what makes him a "future DC written all over him"?

The guy was a GA at UCF. He then coached linebackers at Georgia Southern before being let go. He was then hired at Southern, which is in the worst FCS conference in the country, where he stayed four months before becoming the assistant director of player development at Georgia where his focus is totally off of the field and on academic and personal development of players.

He's never coached defensive backs unless as a GA. He was let go at a Sun Belt school and spent four months in the worst FCS conference (in the off-season) before working with players at Georgia on academics and personal development.

I'm missing "good," "great," and definitely "future DC written all over him."

I don’t know if he will be a good hire or not but he GOT HIRED and is still coaching unlike someone else.

 

[RhinoD]

What makes this a "good" or "great" hire, and more, what makes him a "future DC written all over him"?

The guy was a GA at UCF. He then coached linebackers at Georgia Southern before being let go. He was then hired at Southern, which is in the worst FCS conference in the country, where he stayed four months before becoming the assistant director of player development at Georgia where his focus is totally off of the field and on academic and personal development of players.

He's never coached defensive backs unless as a GA. He was let go at a Sun Belt school and spent four months in the worst FCS conference (in the off-season) before working with players at Georgia on academics and personal development.

I'm missing "good," "great," and definitely "future DC written all over him."

I've been hard on Doc hires... But this guy's resume doesn't seem as bad as you make it out to be.

– Four-year starter at UAB at linebacker
– 2 years as a defensive grad assistant at UCF
– 3 years as linebackers coach at Georgia Southern
– Went to Southern as linebackers coach and then got a better offer from Georgia a few months later (didn't have to move his wife and twin one-year olds from Georgia to Baton Rouge)
– 1 year at UGA as assistant director of player development
– Now in Huntington as defensive backs coach

 

[riflearm2]

I don’t know if he will be a good hire or not

Reasonable comment for once from you. Based on his resume, I'd lean towards it being a bad hire instead of a good hire.

but he GOT HIRED and is still coaching unlike someone else.

Oh, another moron obsessed with talking about me. Why do so many of you dorks try and make threads be about me? Again, you act like I couldn't be, at minimum, in a QC/analyst role at a P5 or an on-field role at tons of FCS schools.

The below convo with a current SEC head coach took place, mostly, on Sunday. He's tried hiring me at least three times in an analyst/QC/recruiting position the last 1.5 seasons.

I've been hard on Doc hires... But this guy's resume doesn't seem as bad as you make it out to be.

Well, let's look at that:

– 2 years as a defensive grad assistant at UCF

UCF went 0-12. Sure, you can learn how not to do things at a school that is that bad, but usually, it's a bad reflection on your coaching ability and/or what you learned. Being a GA at a G5 that goes 0-12 is not a resume builder.

– 3 years as linebackers coach at Georgia Southern

Yes, he coached at GSU during their worst two years in nearly 90 years of football. Let me reiterate: he was coaching there when they had the worst two years in nearly a century of football. Then, the new coach came on and retained the entire staff, including Bastien, because the new coach was also an assistant on the staff. After just one season under the new head coach, he let Bastien go.

– Went to Southern as linebackers coach and then got a better offer from Georgia a few months later (didn't have to move his wife and twin one-year olds from Georgia to Baton Rouge)

After being fired by somebody who was his colleague a year earlier, he then accepted a coaching position in the worst FCS conference in the country.

– 1 year at UGA as assistant director of player development

Knowing that Southern was a shit job, he took a very off-field job that had nothing to do with football. It dealt with academics and personal matters with student-athletes.

– Now in Huntington as defensive backs coach

Yes, a position he has never coached nor played.

To summarize:

-he was a GA at an awful G5
-he was a linebackers coach at a program that had its worst two seasons in 90 years
-he was fired from that job by the new coach after just one season
-he took a job, but didn't coach any games, in the worst FCS conference in the country
-he took an off-field job with no football related duties
-he's now coaching a position he has neither coached nor played

So explain to me how this is a "good" hire, "great" hire, or appears to be a "future DC written all over him."

 

[bbneutralfan]

Uh maybe we should just give the guy a chance to see what he can do here - IF Doc lets him!

 

[W-S HerdFan]

I like the background!

 

[johns1124]

maybe we should just give the guy a chance to see what he can do here - IF Doc lets him!

That's what everyone said about Cramsey. Great Hire, Future HC, My son shook his hand!

Now: Can we fire the guy?

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Reasonable comment for once from you. Based on his resume, I'd lean towards it being a bad hire instead of a good hire.



Oh, another moron obsessed with talking about me. Why do so many of you dorks try and make threads be about me? Again, you act like I couldn't be, at minimum, in a QC/analyst role at a P5 or an on-field role at tons of FCS schools.

The below convo with a current SEC head coach took place, mostly, on Sunday. He's tried hiring me at least three times in an analyst/QC/recruiting position the last 1.5 seasons.

Well, let's look at that:

– 2 years as a defensive grad assistant at UCF

UCF went 0-12. Sure, you can learn how not to do things at a school that is that bad, but usually, it's a bad reflection on your coaching ability and/or what you learned. Being a GA at a G5 that goes 0-12 is not a resume builder.

– 3 years as linebackers coach at Georgia Southern

Yes, he coached at GSU during their worst two years in nearly 90 years of football. Let me reiterate: he was coaching there when they had the worst two years in nearly a century of football. Then, the new coach came on and retained the entire staff, including Bastien, because the new coach was also an assistant on the staff. After just one season under the new head coach, he let Bastien go.

– Went to Southern as linebackers coach and then got a better offer from Georgia a few months later (didn't have to move his wife and twin one-year olds from Georgia to Baton Rouge)

After being fired by somebody who was his colleague a year earlier, he then accepted a coaching position in the worst FCS conference in the country.

– 1 year at UGA as assistant director of player development

Knowing that Southern was a shit job, he took a very off-field job that had nothing to do with football. It dealt with academics and personal matters with student-athletes.

– Now in Huntington as defensive backs coach

Yes, a position he has never coached nor played.

To summarize:

-he was a GA at an awful G5
-he was a linebackers coach at a program that had its worst two seasons in 90 years
-he was fired from that job by the new coach after just one season
-he took a job, but didn't coach any games, in the worst FCS conference in the country
-he took an off-field job with no football related duties
-he's now coaching a position he has neither coached nor played

So explain to me how this is a "good" hire, "great" hire, or appears to be a "future DC written all over him."

So who's the coach?

 

[MichiganHerd]

So who's the coach?

I think he was referencing Vanderbilt's coaching staff. The HC has been there for a while now, but likely won't last much longer. Tough job to be successful at. I know they hired NC State's DC at some point not too long ago, and he's probably taking a couple of his guys with him. But, Rifle being the rock star that he is, he could be talking with Saint Nick.

 

[NKY_HerdFan]

Spectacular hire~

There is no way you had ever heard of this dude until you saw we hired him

 

[riflearm2]

There is no way you had ever heard of this dude until you saw we hired him

That’s false. When Coach Stowers’ jaw got tired forcing AP to take over, AP heard John field a phone call from Southern’s DC regarding Bastien.

 

[bbneutralfan]

AP is Coach Stowers left hand man and knows just as much. Just ask him. Guess to be a moderator on Herd Nation you must always be positive (a good thing) and you must never ever be negative or find fault with any of the Coaches or AD. If you do I guess you loose your job as a moderator.

 

[bbneutralfan]

Follow up - I meant “right” hand man!

 

[MrHerd05]

I had never heard of the guy until a few hours prior to the hire. I like his back ground no matter what rifles thoughts are.

to be honest I am not really one that cares too much about the position coaches. They are what they are and I don’t think we win or lose games because of them. But that’s just my opinion.

I made the comment to pick at rifle because he enjoys doing the same thing to me. He is just better at it than me.

 

[MichiganHerd]

to be honest I am not really one that cares too much about the position coaches. They are what they are and I don’t think we win or lose games because of them. But that’s just my opinion.

you can't be serious, can you? position coaches are arguably more important than the head coach himself.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

My son shook his hand!

LOL!

 

[MrHerd05]

you can't be serious, can you? position coaches are arguably more important than the head coach himself.

meaning they are, for the most part, interchangeable. And yes by that I am serious.

 

[Marc22]

Reasonable comment for once from you. Based on his resume, I'd lean towards it being a bad hire instead of a good hire.



Oh, another moron obsessed with talking about me. Why do so many of you dorks try and make threads be about me? Again, you act like I couldn't be, at minimum, in a QC/analyst role at a P5 or an on-field role at tons of FCS schools.

The below convo with a current SEC head coach took place, mostly, on Sunday. He's tried hiring me at least three times in an analyst/QC/recruiting position the last 1.5 seasons.

Well, let's look at that:

– 2 years as a defensive grad assistant at UCF

UCF went 0-12. Sure, you can learn how not to do things at a school that is that bad, but usually, it's a bad reflection on your coaching ability and/or what you learned. Being a GA at a G5 that goes 0-12 is not a resume builder.

– 3 years as linebackers coach at Georgia Southern

Yes, he coached at GSU during their worst two years in nearly 90 years of football. Let me reiterate: he was coaching there when they had the worst two years in nearly a century of football. Then, the new coach came on and retained the entire staff, including Bastien, because the new coach was also an assistant on the staff. After just one season under the new head coach, he let Bastien go.

– Went to Southern as linebackers coach and then got a better offer from Georgia a few months later (didn't have to move his wife and twin one-year olds from Georgia to Baton Rouge)

After being fired by somebody who was his colleague a year earlier, he then accepted a coaching position in the worst FCS conference in the country.

– 1 year at UGA as assistant director of player development

Knowing that Southern was a shit job, he took a very off-field job that had nothing to do with football. It dealt with academics and personal matters with student-athletes.

– Now in Huntington as defensive backs coach

Yes, a position he has never coached nor played.

To summarize:

-he was a GA at an awful G5
-he was a linebackers coach at a program that had its worst two seasons in 90 years
-he was fired from that job by the new coach after just one season
-he took a job, but didn't coach any games, in the worst FCS conference in the country
-he took an off-field job with no football related duties
-he's now coaching a position he has neither coached nor played

So explain to me how this is a "good" hire, "great" hire, or appears to be a "future DC written all over him."

My goodness rifle, you try way way too hard

 

[riflearm2]

My goodness rifle, you try way way too hard

You got sick of me making you look like a moron on Pullman, so now you're over here hoping to get a fresh start? Good luck with that.

 

[CarolinaHerdzilla]

I had never heard of the guy until a few hours prior to the hire. I like his back ground no matter what rifles thoughts are.

to be honest I am not really one that cares too much about the position coaches. They are what they are and I don’t think we win or lose games because of them. But that’s just my opinion.

I made the comment to pick at rifle because he enjoys doing the same thing to me. He is just better at it than me.

CORRECTION.......He (rifle) is just better than me......should be better than...... I.

Secondly, POSITION coaches are damn well IMPORTANT since they do MOST of THE COACHING=====head coaches direct...assistants COACH!

HerdZilla22

 

[JudgeDD]

I had never heard of the guy until a few hours prior to the hire. I like his back ground no matter what rifles thoughts are.

to be honest I am not really one that cares too much about the position coaches. They are what they are and I don’t think we win or lose games because of them. But that’s just my opinion.

I made the comment to pick at rifle because he enjoys doing the same thing to me. He is just better at it than me.

Yeah, I'm going to have to take the polar-opposite side on this one. A good staff can arguably overcome a weak head coach, but I think the reverse of that is rarely true. When saddled with inferior position coaches, a head coach will find it near impossible to succeed.

I will argue further that since the head coach has stayed the same at Marshall for the past decade, that most of the credit and blame for the highs and lows have been a product of position coaches and weight-room staff. That goes from techniques being taught, team and individual discipline, and recruiting and developing players.

There are probably a few people on this very board that, if given the right position and strength coaches, could be successful as the head coach at Marshall. A head coach can be involved to his neck in the offense and/or the defense. But he doesn't have to be. Doc isn't.

Just in my case, I've been coaching for thirty-five years, I've been a head coach and know how to run a staff, and I'm smart enough to know I'm not smart enough to coach every position or create every play in the playbook. I know enough to manage, speak to the public, and get out of the way of quality position coaches. And while I think I could be successful as a head coach at Marshall given that experienced staff to work with, I won't pretend to be prepared to be one of those position coaches.

 

[MrHerd05]

Good stuff. My opinion is that an 80,000 a year position coach can be replaced by another 80,000 a year position coach. For the most part, there won’t be much change up or down. However, you have a wealth of knowledge, more so than me, when it comes to that. I see what you are saying. And would assume it to be all correct. But I do think that positions coaches, although important as they are teaching the skills to succeed, can be replaced with other position coaches who also are capable of teaching those same skills.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Doesn't matter who the DB coach is. They'll never turn to look for the ball. We haven't had one yet that has accomplished it.

 

[herdfan93]

It's the same in business management and sports team management. The head coach is only as good as the those he has working under him(her).