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Check out what SMU football and basketball players get via NIL.
Boulevard Collective is set to pay players on the SMU football and basketball teams "$36,000 a year -- a total payout of $3.5 million annually -- for NIL activity." The new collective is "driven by Dallas business leaders and SMU alumni, Chris Kleinert, CEO of Hunt Realty Investments, and Kyle Miller, president and CEO”
I venture to say many colleges will try and few will succeed. Perhaps some of the Marshall alums with deep pockets and expendable cash can go together to form our own collective?
 
Check out what SMU football and basketball players get via NIL.
Boulevard Collective is set to pay players on the SMU football and basketball teams "$36,000 a year -- a total payout of $3.5 million annually -- for NIL activity." The new collective is "driven by Dallas business leaders and SMU alumni, Chris Kleinert, CEO of Hunt Realty Investments, and Kyle Miller, president and CEO”
I venture to say many colleges will try and few will succeed. Perhaps some of the Marshall alums with deep pockets and expendable cash can go together to form our own collective?

Marshall is starting the "Thunder Trust," that will be solely focused on NIL initiatives.

With that said, $36k is too rich for our blood.
 
I see this bubble bursting rather quickly for 2/3 to 3/4 of schools. Once the ROI isn't there the money is going to dry up. I mean think about this for a minute. Each SMU player is going to be making $36,000 a year.

When the wins aren't coming in this is all going to stop making sense really quick. I mean think about it. You're 3rd string punter is going to have an NIL deal? I was all about this for a long time in the sense of players with marketability going out and making money. Like Cato or Vinny making money from autograph signings or whatnot.

I mean this is literally uncapped pro sports at this point if you're giving what amounts to a salary. They also should no longer be on scholarship anymore if they're going to be pulling in that kind of money. $36k a year? Really? If SMU is paying 36k you know P5s will be paying more.

This is nuts.
 
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Check out what SMU football and basketball players get via NIL.
Boulevard Collective is set to pay players on the SMU football and basketball teams "$36,000 a year -- a total payout of $3.5 million annually -- for NIL activity." The new collective is "driven by Dallas business leaders and SMU alumni, Chris Kleinert, CEO of Hunt Realty Investments, and Kyle Miller, president and CEO”
I venture to say many colleges will try and few will succeed. Perhaps some of the Marshall alums with deep pockets and expendable cash can go together to form our own collective?

You're comparing MU to one of the wealthiest schools in America!?
 
You're comparing MU to one of the wealthiest schools in America!?
Again. It's not the school doing it. It's sponsors. The thing SMU has is a lot of egotistical rich alumni. Marshall has a few, but I don't think we have enough egomaniacs that see football as a religion like they do in Texas.

I love Marshall to my core, but there is no way if I millionaire or billionaire am I writing a check to pay salaries for college football players so we can win the .comweedeater bowl. You are literally just throwing your money away. That's why I see this thing coming to a head within a couple years. Because this is new and exciting people are rushing to get involved at the allure of "buying" them a team when in reality there isn't any amount of money you can pour into SMU or Marshall or Boise and elevate your program past its glass ceiling. Unless SMU is going to start paying their recruits 10M a year each they're not going to become Bama or tOSU.

You're not going to see very many team improve their current station in the FBS landscape. What you are going to see is the further erosion of college sports. In the case of Texas. Do you think the OL they're paying 50k a year to are really going to go to class? Shoot their first check is going to be more money than some of their families have ever seen and they're not doing anything to earn that money.

The other thing that's going to cause this thing to implode rather quickly is when these kids start getting in trouble with the IRS or "Money Managers" fleecing them for all they have. I also wonder if we won't see some of these corporations putting wording in these NIL contracts that pretty much allow them to own the player. "Oh you want to transfer do you? Well if you're notice on page 6 paragraph 3 of our contract you would owe us X amount of money for leaving and violating the terms of our agreement." Will there be moral clauses built in that some of these players will violate?

There are so many things that people aren't thinking about and I guarantee you most of these players don't have the right people in their ear or knowledgeable people either. We can see that in how they're "advised" already.
 
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Again. It's not the school doing it. It's sponsors. The thing SMU has is a lot of egotistical rich alumni. Marshall has a few, but I don't think we have enough egomaniacs that see football as a religion like they do in Texas.

Boulevard Collective is SMU alumni, formed specifically for NIL.
Look it up.
It's a front for alumni and boosters to legally pretend to be NFL owners.

I agree with some of your assessments, but I think plenty of established coaches are going to be exposed.
Saban, among others, are used to having the best talent on name brand and under the table deals as it is. Now that there isn't any hiding, the talent pool will be more spread out, and they'll actually have to coach.
Its basically the reason college coaches usually struggle/fail in the NFL. They're from programs who simply had the best athletes.
That isn't going to happen anymore.
I agree the legal counsel and representation for athletes will need to be stronger. Northwestern may try to head that since they floated the idea of players unionizing.

Athletic scholarships should no longer be specifically subjected to a sport, rather, as a collective whole.
Why? I think if you are making so much money, you shouldn't qualify for an athletic scholarship. That'll offset the amount of scholarships to teams and athletes who may not go pro, or be paid very much, but get something for their efforts.

As for the "allure of buying athletes" and your beliefs this will fizzle out?
Remember, as far back as the early 80's this (publicly was known) has been going on, even before. Programs from all over had been doing it, and it really hasn't stopped since.
I doubt it'll stop now.

If MU is to have a shred of hope, they'll have to get creative with their resources over just flat out entering bidding wars with everyone else.
 
I see this bubble bursting rather quickly for 2/3 to 3/4 of schools. Once the ROI isn't there the money is going to dry up. I mean think about this for a minute. Each SMU player is going to be making $36,000 a year.

When the wins aren't coming in this is all going to stop making sense really quick. I mean think about it. You're 3rd string punter is going to have an NIL deal? I was all about this for a long time in the sense of players with marketability going out and making money. Like Cato or Vinny making money from autograph signings or whatnot.

I mean this is literally uncapped pro sports at this point if you're giving what amounts to a salary. They also should no longer be on scholarship anymore if they're going to be pulling in that kind of money. $36k a year? Really? If SMU is paying 36k you know P5s will be paying more.

This is nuts.
Im really interested to see what this system looks like in 10 years... And also what these mega donors want in exchange for their hard earned dollars in the NIL collective. If it's wins, bowl games, championships, etc that's one thing. But my guess is the list of pissed off rich guys who are giving thousands and thousands of dollars to SMU, Duke, Boston College, etc only to see the same mediocre 5, 6, 7 win program for a decade will want to have their contributions acknowledged another way by the school... There are going to be a lot of schools where the ROI is in the negative and those mega donors are going to start making demands or stop cutting checks.
 
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Boulevard Collective is SMU alumni, formed specifically for NIL.
Look it up.
It's a front for alumni and boosters to legally pretend to be NFL owners.

I agree with some of your assessments, but I think plenty of established coaches are going to be exposed.
Saban, among others, are used to having the best talent on name brand and under the table deals as it is. Now that there isn't any hiding, the talent pool will be more spread out, and they'll actually have to coach.
Its basically the reason college coaches usually struggle/fail in the NFL. They're from programs who simply had the best athletes.
That isn't going to happen anymore.
I agree the legal counsel and representation for athletes will need to be stronger. Northwestern may try to head that since they floated the idea of players unionizing.

Athletic scholarships should no longer be specifically subjected to a sport, rather, as a collective whole.
Why? I think if you are making so much money, you shouldn't qualify for an athletic scholarship. That'll offset the amount of scholarships to teams and athletes who may not go pro, or be paid very much, but get something for their efforts.

As for the "allure of buying athletes" and your beliefs this will fizzle out?
Remember, as far back as the early 80's this (publicly was known) has been going on, even before. Programs from all over had been doing it, and it really hasn't stopped since.
I doubt it'll stop now.

If MU is to have a shred of hope, they'll have to get creative with their resources over just flat out entering bidding wars with everyone else.
1. Like most of the FBS Marshall does not have the resources to get into a bidding war. That's just fact. Our two top donors have passed and the other sits in the capital and is at odds with MU because he can't have his way with who coaches.

2. LOL! if you think Saban is going to get exposed. You don't think The University of Alabama with the greatest HC in the history of the sport isn't still going to be at the front of the field? I wonder just how you think the recruiting is going to change so drastically that Alabama is going to keep pace with talent.

3. What has been going on since the early 80's is not the same as what is going now. Comparing a could donors giving loaded handshakes and cars to the very top recruits like Eric Dickerson to Corporate sponsors and local businesses investing in players is completely different. Eventually the free-for-all we're seeing with subside because the justification for giving a 5th string LB that never sees the field 36k year won't be there. You'll see the top players getting deals, but this "buy a roster" stuff won't last. It's 100% unsustainable.

Also Marshall doesn't need to keep pace with SMU. It needs to keep pace with Appy, CC, and ULL before worrying about those outside the conference that we do not directly compete with. We do not compete with SMU for players and we do not compete with SMU for championships. Once we can check off establishing SBC dominance then we can turn our focus to elevating our selves to the outside.
 
Im really interested to see what this system looks like in 10 years... And also what these mega donors want in exchange for their hard earned dollars in the NIL collective. If it's wins, bowl games, championships, etc that's one thing. But my guess is the list of pissed off rich guys who are giving thousands and thousands of dollars to SMU, Duke, Boston College, etc only to see the same mediocre 5, 6, 7 win program for a decade will want to have their contributions acknowledged another way by the school... There are going to be a lot of schools where the ROI is in the negative and those mega donors are going to start making demands or stop cutting checks.
BINGO!

Tampering and other avenues of cheating are going to start becoming a major issues. There's going to be far too many big money people involved that are going to want a say. It's one thing when you were giving loaded handshakes under the table. There really wasn't any recourse for you if you didn't get what you assumed you were getting. To raise a fuss meant implicating yourself. Now this is permitted. Those cutting the checks aren't going to think twice about pushing the envelope with their demands.

I think you'll see shorter leashes on coaches, ADs, and players. Some players with 6-7 figure NIL deals just aren't getting that money with no responsibility to those cutting the checks. You'll see non compete clauses, moral clauses, maybe performance clauses, and written in penalties. Not to mention the financial literacy of 18-22 year olds is pretty nonexistent so I foresee tax issues coming up. Then what about all the opportunists that are going to see these marks...I mean players coming a mile away.

I just see a big mess coming. CFB and MBB is pretty much dead as we have known it.
 
1. Like most of the FBS Marshall does not have the resources to get into a bidding war. That's just fact. Our two top donors have passed and the other sits in the capital and is at odds with MU because he can't have his way with who coaches.

2. LOL! if you think Saban is going to get exposed. You don't think The University of Alabama with the greatest HC in the history of the sport isn't still going to be at the front of the field? I wonder just how you think the recruiting is going to change so drastically that Alabama is going to keep pace with talent.

3. What has been going on since the early 80's is not the same as what is going now. Comparing a could donors giving loaded handshakes and cars to the very top recruits like Eric Dickerson to Corporate sponsors and local businesses investing in players is completely different. Eventually the free-for-all we're seeing with subside because the justification for giving a 5th string LB that never sees the field 36k year won't be there. You'll see the top players getting deals, but this "buy a roster" stuff won't last. It's 100% unsustainable.

Also Marshall doesn't need to keep pace with SMU. It needs to keep pace with Appy, CC, and ULL before worrying about those outside the conference that we do not directly compete with. We do not compete with SMU for players and we do not compete with SMU for championships. Once we can check off establishing SBC dominance then we can turn our focus to elevating our selves to the outside.
Will be interesting to see what the newly formed MU NIL group can do. We'll see how much more the big donors are willing to fork over.
 
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Will be interesting to see what the newly formed MU NIL group can do. We'll see how much more the big donors are willing to fork over.
Just how much can Brad Smith give or his previous companies give? Can they at all now that he's school president? How many big industry people do we actually have now with Marshall ties?
 
Just how much can Brad Smith give or his previous companies give? Can they at all now that he's school president? How many big industry people do we actually have now with Marshall ties?
That's the question. Who are we gonna mine for these NIL funds? Whose on the NIL group?
 
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Hey, now, you guys are on to something. Let's see, Gov. "Big Jim" could comp free rooms and meals at the Greenbrier to team members, in the off season, for every "W" the Herd gets.in the current season. Transportation you ask? Why not ole Chris Miller, who may want to succeed "Big Jim" in the Gov's chair in Charleston, -in order to boost his support among the Herd faithful, just kick in autos from his dealerships to Huff and D'Antoni's respective recruits when they first show up on campus, so that they can just "keep on keeping on" tooling around Htown during their years bringing glory to ole MU on the field and on the court! And surely local oil and gas retailers, jobbers, etc., will happily kick in enough gas cards, etc., to keep our players "worry free" on the roads around town and beyond! ;)
 
I hate this new “ buy a team “ concept.
Time will tell how much it affects us. The top schools spending stupid amounts shouldn't really change anything, but if anyone in conference does this then we may be in trouble. Otherwise we weren't competing directly with any of the schools announcing what amounts to salaries.
 
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May as well call it the "Thunder Thrust" because we are getting fvcked.

Oooo GIF
 
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1. Like most of the FBS Marshall does not have the resources to get into a bidding war. That's just fact. Our two top donors have passed and the other sits in the capital and is at odds with MU because he can't have his way with who coaches.

2. LOL! if you think Saban is going to get exposed. You don't think The University of Alabama with the greatest HC in the history of the sport isn't still going to be at the front of the field? I wonder just how you think the recruiting is going to change so drastically that Alabama is going to keep pace with talent.

3. What has been going on since the early 80's is not the same as what is going now. Comparing a could donors giving loaded handshakes and cars to the very top recruits like Eric Dickerson to Corporate sponsors and local businesses investing in players is completely different. Eventually the free-for-all we're seeing with subside because the justification for giving a 5th string LB that never sees the field 36k year won't be there. You'll see the top players getting deals, but this "buy a roster" stuff won't last. It's 100% unsustainable.

Also Marshall doesn't need to keep pace with SMU. It needs to keep pace with Appy, CC, and ULL before worrying about those outside the conference that we do not directly compete with. We do not compete with SMU for players and we do not compete with SMU for championships. Once we can check off establishing SBC dominance then we can turn our focus to elevating our selves to the outside.

I actually just said MU doesn't need to get into a direct bidding war for recruits. What they need to do is be creative with incentives that have allure for athletes. Local businesses can be a major help in that.
As for Saban, yes, I do think that. It's the same thing that happened to UK with basketball. Once programs began to use their model, teams were capable of winning, who nornally weren't.
You really think the likes of Alabama are going to keep financial pace with Texas, or SMU, or others? Bama is winning, but even they have financial limits, and if a program like Stanford, decided to just knock 3% off their acceptance rates to let in ridiculously good athletes, given their alumni reach and wealth? Would literally bury Alabama's resources.
Let's just get closer to home with someone like Vanderbilt deciding to actually try to compete with the rest of the SEC...the resources there far exceed the top performing programs.
Toss in a coach who's had to work extra hard with lesser talented athletes, who now can buy some good ones, you'll have more Purdue/ohio state games of 2018.

The roster buying? You're comparing one program, SMU of today, to the 80's. I don't know of other programs who are giving their entire student athletes a salary, but I do know plenty who are doing the Dickerson approach.
As I said, there are historically bad programs with a ton of wealth who can now even out the playing field. The amount spent on this roster for SMU is a pitifully small total for them...and its SMU, they have largely been irrelevant for a long time but still have very, very deep pockets.
That's why Texas may be a solid fit for the SEC, they can financially keep up with everyone and their alumni base is not only larger, but likely wealthier. They can enter bidding wars and can bleed out Alabama, Auburn, LSU, etc.
Plus, offering a 4th string LB a salary of some sort from SMU, is more than what Alabama is willing to give them. This also doesn't limit other outside businesses to sign top athletes to NIL deals beyond what we see here.

Oh, and MU does need to do something. Regardless of if this trend is a long term solidly good thing (it's not, and I agree with you, it'll become very complicated, but not quite the trainwreck you say), they have to join the trend somehow or else risk being 7-6 every season because we took the moral high ground in a corrupt system that has no morals, thus the high ground doesn't exist.
But, we can be creative and necessarily spend money.
That is a universal G5 thing that has kept us alive.
 
Time will tell how much it affects us. The top schools spending stupid amounts shouldn't really change anything, but if anyone in conference does this then we may be in trouble. Otherwise we weren't competing directly with any of the schools announcing what amounts to salaries.
Your first statement is 100% correct.
I recall it wasn't long ago where there was a literal arms race in college sports with stadiums and locker rooms being torn down and re-done seemingly every year as a way to entice recruits to play...top program facilities that didn't even have all the paint dry, were ready to be expanded/improved upon because the bottom feeder of the conference updated theirs.

It's a nice to think the SBC decides to collectively not engage in NIL and keep it as amateur as possible.
But we all know this won't happen.

Once more, as you've said, these aren't the schools doing the paying, its the alumni and groups formed.
The issue will be how does MU communicate with outsiders to involve themselves in a way to compete or offer something unique to recruits that others wouldn't have?
 
With all the money I spent at Davis's Place during my Huntington tenure they should probably just list them as a sub-contributor under my account, lol... Add the Pig and Whistle too while they're at it.
Davis' has some of the best wings in the city.
 
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Marshall just needs to be Marshall for now. This is a bubble that is going to explode sooner than later. what is the end game here? Players going somewhere for the biggest paycheck? What is the long term value for a donor to pony up millions to end up in exactly the same place. Does anyone really think SMU is going to go back to a few "glory years" in the 80's by doing this. Guess what, many of them will still be riding the pine not getting playing time. Sooner or later some of those guys are going to want to transfer where they can find some playing time. Give them a reasonable stipend and be done with it as an institution.
 
Marshall just needs to be Marshall for now. This is a bubble that is going to explode sooner than later. what is the end game here? Players going somewhere for the biggest paycheck? What is the long term value for a donor to pony up millions to end up in exactly the same place. Does anyone really think SMU is going to go back to a few "glory years" in the 80's by doing this. Guess what, many of them will still be riding the pine not getting playing time. Sooner or later some of those guys are going to want to transfer where they can find some playing time. Give them a reasonable stipend and be done with it as an institution.

Nah, fools on other threads demand the band be larger and comparable to ND.

But they also agree with you.
 
Nah, fools on other threads demand the band be larger and comparable to ND.

But they also agree with you.
Not sure where you get anyone attempted to compare our band with ND? The comments were to our bands lack of numbers, which in no way is remotely close to a comparison with ND's band. The comparison was never mentioned that I can see; on any post. Where was it mentioned?
 
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Give them a reasonable stipend and be done with it as an institution.
For Marshall, sure.

For all college football? What is reasonable in the SEC, with a TV deal in the billions of dollars? The B1G?

NIL did not happen because players at Marshall did not get a cut of the profits. It happened because the Big Boys were not giving players a cut of the profits.

The sooner the Big Boys split off into something different, the better.
 
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Sad. College football was created as a weekend diversion from academics and now it is the tail that wags the dog. The math, English, and science departments might be scratching for funds, but football is raking in millions. Not right.
 
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