success? was trump try to kill 3,000 americans? Trump Calls P.R. response great success

[dherd]

Trump Calls Storm Response in Puerto Rico, Where 3,000 Died, ‘One of the Best’
President Trump patted himself on the back Tuesday for an “incredibly successful” job done in Puerto Rico, where the government estimates thatnearly 3,000 people died as a result of Hurricane Maria last year.

He noted that the United States military sent a “tremendous military hospital in the form of a ship” to the island. That ship, however, was largely underused. Prepared to support 250 hospital beds, it admitted an average of only six patients per day, or 290 in total, over its 53-day deployment.

“If he thinks the death of 3,000 people is a success, God help us all,” said Carmen Yulín Cruz, the mayor of San Juan, in a post on Twitter.

Jose Andrés, a Spanish chef who organized an emergency feeding program on the island after Maria — and butted heads with federal authorities while doing so — said the president’s comments were “astonishing.”

“The death toll issue has been one of the biggest cover-ups in American history,” Mr. Andrés said in an interview. “Everybody needs to understand that the death toll was a massive failure by federal government and the White House. Not recognizing how many people died in the aftermath meant the resources and full power of the government was taken away from the American people of Puerto Rico.”

He stressed that the failures spread to food and water distribution.

FEMA acknowledged the shortcomings in a report released in July. The agency said it was caught with empty warehouses and few qualified staff to attend to the disaster, brought the wrong type of satellite phones to the island, and did not have truck drivers to deliver aid from the port. FEMA said that days went by without “situational awareness” of what was happening outside.

“If that is a ‘success,’ I do not understand the concept.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/us/trump-puerto-rico-maria-response.html

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Fvck Trump.

Honestly, if he is using PR as the standard of "success", you folks in the Carolinas better be ready to 100% fend for yourselves.

How hard is it to admit they, and himself, fvcked up? That's the first step to fixing shit.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

Fvck Trump.

Honestly, if he is using PR as the standard of "success", you folks in the Carolinas better be ready to 100% fend for yourselves.

How hard is it to admit they, and himself, fvcked up? That's the first step to fixing shit.

He claims 18 people died in Puerto Rico where’s the disconnect between the two??

 

[ohio herd]

Trump Calls Storm Response in Puerto Rico, Where 3,000 Died, ‘One of the Best’
President Trump patted himself on the back Tuesday for an “incredibly successful” job done in Puerto Rico, where the government estimates thatnearly 3,000 people died as a result of Hurricane Maria last year.

He noted that the United States military sent a “tremendous military hospital in the form of a ship” to the island. That ship, however, was largely underused. Prepared to support 250 hospital beds, it admitted an average of only six patients per day, or 290 in total, over its 53-day deployment.

“If he thinks the death of 3,000 people is a success, God help us all,” said Carmen Yulín Cruz, the mayor of San Juan, in a post on Twitter.

Jose Andrés, a Spanish chef who organized an emergency feeding program on the island after Maria — and butted heads with federal authorities while doing so — said the president’s comments were “astonishing.”

“The death toll issue has been one of the biggest cover-ups in American history,” Mr. Andrés said in an interview. “Everybody needs to understand that the death toll was a massive failure by federal government and the White House. Not recognizing how many people died in the aftermath meant the resources and full power of the government was taken away from the American people of Puerto Rico.”

He stressed that the failures spread to food and water distribution.

FEMA acknowledged the shortcomings in a report released in July. The agency said it was caught with empty warehouses and few qualified staff to attend to the disaster, brought the wrong type of satellite phones to the island, and did not have truck drivers to deliver aid from the port. FEMA said that days went by without “situational awareness” of what was happening outside.

“If that is a ‘success,’ I do not understand the concept.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/us/trump-puerto-rico-maria-response.html

As usual you look for an article that exaggerates and post it.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...toll-in-puerto-rico-are-needlessly-confusing/
About a third of the deaths documented by the survey were caused by an interruption of medical services. And in addition to those who died, many more people faced trouble getting care. Fifteen percent of households in the survey said they had trouble getting medicine, and around 10 percent had trouble using breathing equipment. This # is inflated and does not reflect on Trumps response. You need to blame the crazy liberals who tried to hide supplies on the ground

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

As usual you look for an article that exaggerates and post it.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...toll-in-puerto-rico-are-needlessly-confusing/
About a third of the deaths documented by the survey were caused by an interruption of medical services. And in addition to those who died, many more people faced trouble getting care. Fifteen percent of households in the survey said they had trouble getting medicine, and around 10 percent had trouble using breathing equipment. This # is inflated and does not reflect on Trumps response. You need to blame the crazy liberals who tried to hide supplies on the ground

Dying from heat, lack of access to medicine, water, etc. due to the storm is all about the preparation and government's response to the storm. All of that can be blamed on those at the top.

But it gets better. Today, cheeto tweeted "3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much."

cheeto's closest allies immediately refuted his absurd comments. Paul Ryan stated that he had no reason to dispute the accurate Puerto Rican numbers. Ryan went on to say "It was devastating. It was a horrible storm. I toured the entire island. It's an isolated island that lost its infrastructure and power for a long time, you couldn't get to people for a long time."

Rick Scott quickly tweeted "I disagree with @POTUS-- an independent study said thousands were lost and Gov. Rosselló agreed. I've been to Puerto Rico 7 times & saw devastation firsthand. The loss of any life is tragic; the extent of lives lost as a result of Maria is heart wrenching."

The buffoon continues to be deplorable. And so many of you on here defend his lies and buffoonery, because you too, are deplorable.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

As usual you look for an article that exaggerates and post it.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...toll-in-puerto-rico-are-needlessly-confusing/
About a third of the deaths documented by the survey were caused by an interruption of medical services. And in addition to those who died, many more people faced trouble getting care. Fifteen percent of households in the survey said they had trouble getting medicine, and around 10 percent had trouble using breathing equipment

That is actually WORSE than the actual storm killing someone by drowning or dropping a tree on their head. Those are the kinds of deaths that can be avoided with a proper emergency/recovery response.

A different kind of storm, but here is an example....the 2011 Joplin MO tornado killed 160 people.* Six of those were at the St John's Medical Center, five of whom were on ventilators. The hospital was 100% fvcked and unusable from the storm. You know how many more patients died after the tornado because the hospital was fvcked? Zero. Why? Because they were evac'd to where they could continue to be treated.

If Puerto Rico only had 500 excess deaths after the storm, that would still point to a totally fvcked and ineffective response to the disaster. Was Puerto Rico more difficult to respond to because it is a relatively isolated island? Yes. But Trump and anyone else that actually believes a good job was done there is a goddamn idiot. They barely used the hospital ship. They didn't get medical evac's done. They didn't bring in truck drivers to deliver aid. Electricity? Who needs that shit.

We should do better than this. We CAN do better than this. But we won't do better unless the fvckup is admitted.

* I used Joplin because I was there not long after the tornado. The neighborhood around the hospital looked like a nuke went off. It remains the worst devastation I have ever seen. I'm sure I can fill the server here with better disaster responses than Puerto Rico.

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

Excellent job by TRUMP in the aftermath of the hurricane that hit Puerto Rico. We've spent billions of money on that shit-hole territory, which is full of thieves and corruption. You can train a monkey, but at the end of the day, monkeys will still be monkeys.

 

[raleighherdfan]

They didn't bring in truck drivers to deliver aid.

What good are truck drivers when roads and infrastructure are completely eliminated across the island.?

 

[ohio herd]

That is actually WORSE than the actual storm killing someone by drowning or dropping a tree on their head. Those are the kinds of deaths that can be avoided with a proper emergency/recovery response.

A different kind of storm, but here is an example....the 2011 Joplin MO tornado killed 160 people.* Six of those were at the St John's Medical Center, five of whom were on ventilators. The hospital was 100% fvcked and unusable from the storm. You know how many more patients died after the tornado because the hospital was fvcked? Zero. Why? Because they were evac'd to where they could continue to be treated.

If Puerto Rico only had 500 excess deaths after the storm, that would still point to a totally fvcked and ineffective response to the disaster. Was Puerto Rico more difficult to respond to because it is a relatively isolated island? Yes. But Trump and anyone else that actually believes a good job was done there is a goddamn idiot. They barely used the hospital ship. They didn't get medical evac's done. They didn't bring in truck drivers to deliver aid. Electricity? Who needs that shit.

We should do better than this. We CAN do better than this. But we won't do better unless the fvckup is admitted.

* I used Joplin because I was there not long after the tornado. The neighborhood around the hospital looked like a nuke went off. It remains the worst devastation I have ever seen. I'm sure I can fill the server here with better disaster responses than Puerto Rico.

well PR is not Joplin. You can't possibly compare the two.

Read this from NPR.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...structure-creates-big-challenges-for-recovery

 

[ThunderCat98]

well PR is not Joplin. You can't possibly compare the two.

Read this from NPR.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...structure-creates-big-challenges-for-recovery

Pfffffft. Article is clearly bias in favor of conservatives.

 

[raleighherdfan]

well PR is not Joplin. You can't possibly compare the two.

Read this from NPR.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...structure-creates-big-challenges-for-recovery

NPR is only reputable when libs link to anti trump stories.

 

[ohio herd]

NPR is only reputable when libs link to anti trump stories.

that's why I linked to rub it in their face. Here is another new story from the LA Times.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na...html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

well PR is not Joplin. You can't possibly compare the two.

Sure I can. I acknowledged Puerto Rico was a very difficult situation, at the time and now. I'm not saying we should have met the Joplin standard of zero post-storm fatalities. I'm saying 500, 1000, 3000 extra fatalities are all ridiculous, and not thinking so or even actually denying they happened, as Trump did on Twitter, is outrageous.

At the time I even gave Trump a pass for how badly things were going. But I cannot excuse not admitting mistakes, because improvement is impossible without accepting responsibility. Seriously, fvck him.

But I think it has become apparent we didn't really even try (and in my example, we through the cavalry at the situation). Come on, this is the fvcking USA. We can do better.

 

[19MU88]

3000? LMAO!

 

[HerdBuckeye]

Excellent job by TRUMP in the aftermath of the hurricane that hit Puerto Rico. We've spent billions of money on that shit-hole territory, which is full of thieves and corruption. You can train a monkey, but at the end of the day, monkeys will still be monkeys.

Thanks to the resident racist.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

3000? LMAO!

What number post-storm would make you happy? 1000? 500? 250?

 

[HerdBuckeye]

What number post-storm would make you happy? 1000? 500? 250?

Trump claims 18 so that’s 88s answer. Do not deviate from the talking points.

 

[19MU88]

Trump claims 18 so that’s 88s answer. Do not deviate from the talking points.

no number makes me happy. I just think a made up number of 3000 is funny.

 

[Walter Brennaneer]

Trump Calls Storm Response in Puerto Rico, Where 3,000 Died, ‘One of the Best’
President Trump patted himself on the back Tuesday for an “incredibly successful” job done in Puerto Rico, where the government estimates thatnearly 3,000 people died as a result of Hurricane Maria last year.

He noted that the United States military sent a “tremendous military hospital in the form of a ship” to the island. That ship, however, was largely underused. Prepared to support 250 hospital beds, it admitted an average of only six patients per day, or 290 in total, over its 53-day deployment.

“If he thinks the death of 3,000 people is a success, God help us all,” said Carmen Yulín Cruz, the mayor of San Juan, in a post on Twitter.

Jose Andrés, a Spanish chef who organized an emergency feeding program on the island after Maria — and butted heads with federal authorities while doing so — said the president’s comments were “astonishing.”

“The death toll issue has been one of the biggest cover-ups in American history,” Mr. Andrés said in an interview. “Everybody needs to understand that the death toll was a massive failure by federal government and the White House. Not recognizing how many people died in the aftermath meant the resources and full power of the government was taken away from the American people of Puerto Rico.”

He stressed that the failures spread to food and water distribution.

FEMA acknowledged the shortcomings in a report released in July. The agency said it was caught with empty warehouses and few qualified staff to attend to the disaster, brought the wrong type of satellite phones to the island, and did not have truck drivers to deliver aid from the port. FEMA said that days went by without “situational awareness” of what was happening outside.

“If that is a ‘success,’ I do not understand the concept.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/us/trump-puerto-rico-maria-response.html

dtard having a Fartagas moment.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

no number makes me happy. I just think a made up number of 3000 is funny.

Sounds like you just want to pick a random number that makes you happy unfortunately that’s not how things work trumptard.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Sounds like you just want to pick a random number that makes you happy unfortunately that’s not how things work trumptard.

Not exactly. Appears GW University picked a random number...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/29/us/puerto-rico-growing-death-toll/index.html

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Not exactly. Appears GW University picked a random number...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/29/us/puerto-rico-growing-death-toll/index.html

Well let's go with 1427. From a storm that initially killed up to 18 according to Trump. That is a major fvckup on the part of the government.

You know how the Pentagon has dozens of war-plan studies? We need to do one on what to do next time PR gets slammed. And the Pentagon is probably the right agency to at least co-author it, they have the expertise in getting shit there by ship and plane.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Well let's go with 1427

How about we go with actual lost lives and not computer model estimates.

 

[i am herdman]

Fvck Trump.

Honestly, if he is using PR as the standard of "success", you folks in the Carolinas better be ready to 100% fend for yourselves.

How hard is it to admit they, and himself, fvcked up? That's the first step to fixing shit.

how did they **** up, being serious?

 

[HerdBuckeye]

How about we go with actual lost lives and not computer model estimates.

How many is that ITT Tech ??

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

How about we go with actual lost lives and not computer model estimates.

I gave you the number in a report to Congress....that was in the link you provided.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

how did they **** up, being serious?

The TL/DR version would be not enough assets on the ground and not getting those in need of health care evac'd.

 

[i am herdman]

The TL/DR version would be not enough assets on the ground and not getting those in need of health care evac'd.

How many major hurricane disasters happened in a short time frame? Also, the logistics of Puerto Rico are a nightmare. What more could they have done?

 

[19MU88]

How about we go with actual lost lives and not computer model estimates.

we can count the dead or let a bunch of libtards project a computer model to come up with ACTUAL dead. these fools in this thread are why fake news works. it's bad enough some people are just duped by propaganda but some of these fools want to be duped....that's how far gone they are.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

we can count the dead or let a bunch of libtards project a computer model to come up with ACTUAL dead. these fools in this thread are why fake news works. it's bad enough some people are just duped by propaganda but some of these fools want to be duped....that's how far gone they are.

What’s the number 88??

 

[raleighherdfan]

I gave you the number in a report to Congress....that was in the link you provided.

“In a report to Congress, the government said documents show that 1,427 more deaths occurred in the four months after the storm than "normal," compared with deaths that occurred the previous four years.”

Yep...that sounds legit.

Let’s some up this “report” based on all the inaccuracies of deaths reported:

 

[19MU88]

What’s the number 88??

why don't you know? you rely on propaganda for all your information? why would I tell you? you only believe what fits your ideology .

 

[HerdBuckeye]

why don't you know? you rely on propaganda for all your information? why would I tell you? you only believe what fits your ideology .

Yep exactly. You have no clue.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

How many major hurricane disasters happened in a short time frame? Also, the logistics of Puerto Rico are a nightmare. What more could they have done?

I've acknowledged many times the logistical problem with Puerto Rico. I also know we can transport the greatest fighting force ever assembled halfway around the world and kick the shit out of some towelheads. Surely we can medical evac a couple thousand people. Surely we can remember to send truck drivers so relief supplies can be delivered.

I also believe Harvey would have been a shitshow if tons of private boat owners had not showed up.

I'm not saying Trump is a racist old bugger and let PR suffer because fvck those people. I am pissed he won't acknowledge we fvcked up, and righteously angry the son of a bitch actually has the gall to call the truth lies (I expect some of the dolts here to sing along, but at least they are not in charge so who cares what they think). Even "We did our best but it wasn't enough and lots of folks died" is a vast improvement over this shit.

I truly believe in American Exceptionalism. I've said it here many times before: we are the nation that built the atom bomb, that kicked ass in WWII, that put men on the Moon. We can do better these days. We should demand better. Why do we no longer demand better?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

“In a report to Congress, the government said documents show that 1,427 more deaths occurred in the four months after the storm than "normal," compared with deaths that occurred the previous four years.”

Yep...that sounds legit.

So you are going to stick with 18?

Fun fact: we still are not sure exactly how many people died in Katrina.

 

[ThunderCat98]

Bottom line, no one knows the actual number of deaths "caused" by Maria. This is partially due to the fact that the notion of causation is based on a sliding scale, resulting in drastically different data in each study. Were there failures and mistakes by the federal government? Certainly. Were there an equal number of failures and mistakes by territorial and local governments? Absolutely. You also have to consider the fact that FEMA was already stretched beyond capacity due to Harvey and Irma. To put the entirety of blame on the Trump administration is ridiculous and the result of political bias. To say the government did everything correctly is equally ignorant.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

To put the entirety of blame on the Trump administration is ridiculous and the result of political bias. To say the government did everything correctly is equally ignorant.

Bingo.

I just want Trump to admit it happened. Is that asking too much?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

What good are truck drivers when roads and infrastructure are completely eliminated across the island.?

I dunno, to actually get the stuff off the goddamn docks?

I swear to God some of you have no damn idea how the simplest stuff works. Maybe I can get a side gig for a week as a truck driver and show you how logistics work nice and up-close.

 

[i am herdman]

Bottom line, no one knows the actual number of deaths "caused" by Maria. This is partially due to the fact that the notion of causation is based on a sliding scale, resulting in drastically different data in each study. Were there failures and mistakes by the federal government? Certainly. Were there an equal number of failures and mistakes by territorial and local governments? Absolutely. You also have to consider the fact that FEMA was already stretched beyond capacity due to Harvey and Irma. To put the entirety of blame on the Trump administration is ridiculous and the result of political bias. To say the government did everything correctly is equally ignorant.

exactly and don't forget out military is also around the world doing other things and we are not at ww2 levels of troops! Of course the govt screwed up, but how can you blame Trump?

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

The only solution is to close Puerto Rico between August and October of each year. Move the residents up North during that time period, and they can all chip in to pick nuts and berries, and do Fall landscape cleanup chores. They'll enjoy it.