That guy that got kicked off the plane

[i am herdman]

not saying what they did was right and it appears to be over the top, but why didn't he take the $600-800 bucks for the buyout and rent a car for less than a hundred bucks and make the 4.5 hour drive from Louisville to Chicago. He makes money on the deal. The flight is 1 hour and 10 minutes. So there is a little over 3 hour difference.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

not saying what they did was right and it appears to be over the top, but why didn't he take the $600-800 bucks for the buyout and rent a car for less than a hundred bucks and make the 4.5 hour drive from Louisville to Chicago. He makes money on the deal. The flight is 1 hour and 10 minutes. So there is a little over 3 hour difference.

1) He is a doctor. Perhaps he had some long shifts coming up and he needed that extra three hours for sleep.
2) Oh, you're sure he has a license?
3) Most car rental places whop you with a big charge for dropping a vehicle at a location that far from the original pick-up. Car rental, gas, the drop charge, tolls, food, etc. could easily total $200-$300, not to mention the inconvenience of having to drive and the time difference.
4) It isn't a straight $800. They first offered $400. When nobody accepted, they bumped it to $800. Usually, that is a flight voucher worth $800. Only in rare cases is it a check.
5) Perhaps he had been drinking at the airport bar before getting on the flight and knew he wouldn't be legal to drive for a couple of hours. Suddenly, that 4.5 hour trip is at least 6.5 hours.

Regardless, as a passenger, he agreed to the carrier contract with the airline. When they tell him that he has to go, he has to go.

 

[wisemaniac]

The reports are he was a Dr on his way to preform an operation

 

[andy4theherd]

 

[andy4theherd]

United’s stock is falling 3.7% and wiping $830 million off the airline’s market cap


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/un...illion-off-the-airlines-market-cap-2017-04-11

 

[Walter Brennaneer]

The dude was of Asian decent---the racism phase has yet to show its head. You can be damn sure, it will.

 

[CockyHerd]

I don't fly a lot but every experience I've ever had with an over-booked flight was negotiated/taken care of before we boarded.

I took them up on it once, it was a voucher for dinner in the airport and a voucher for $250 towards a future flight. (This was 20 years ago) They got me on another flight about 6 hours later.

 

[herdfan429]

Why did they single him out. Why did no one else take the deal? Why does United staffing issues suck so bad that they had to pump those people from the flight

 

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

I don't fly a lot but every experience I've ever had with an over-booked flight was negotiated/taken care of before we boarded.

I took them up on it once, it was a voucher for dinner in the airport and a voucher for $250 towards a future flight. (This was 20 years ago) They got me on another flight about 6 hours later.

You must not fly much. Though I wouldn't call it frequent, it's not out of the norm for flight attendants to ask for volunteers to be bumped after everyone has seated or is in the process of being seated.

I rarely am in a rush; I offer my seat whenever volunteers are needed. It gives me a free roundtrip flight, a free meal, and either a couple of more hours looking at hot slvts at the airport or an extra night in a city I don't live in.

 

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

Why did they single him out. Why did no one else take the deal? Why does United staffing issues suck so bad that they had to pump those people from the flight

He wasn't singled out. After nobody volunteered, they stated that they would have their computers randomly select people who would be bumped.

One couple was selected by the computer, left orderly, and were compensated for it. The next name drawn was the doctor's.

And it's not a United issue. Weather on the east coast crushed flights and staff all week. Delta canceled hundred of flights daily, many times because they didn't have flight personnel to work them due to weather related cancellations impeding their movement.

 

[Herd Fever]

Here is a simple thought. Stop the practice of over booking flights

 

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

Here is a simple thought. Stop the practice of over booking flights

Sure, if you're willing to pay $1000 for a roundtrip ticket that used to be $600.

 

[Herd Fever]

So over booking flights keep cost down?? That's dumb. It's now costing United more than a few hundred now.

Maybe the people who was late for the over booked flight should have been put on a later flight. There was better solutions then ripping a passenger who was on time out of his seat.

 

[CockyHerd]

He wasn't singled out. After nobody volunteered, they stated that they would have their computers randomly select people who would be bumped.

One couple was selected by the computer, left orderly, and were compensated for it. The next name drawn was the doctor's.

And it's not a United issue. Weather on the east coast crushed flights and staff all week. Delta canceled hundred of flights daily, many times because they didn't have flight personnel to work them due to weather related cancellations impeding their movement.

In the 80's and 90's I flew for work but now only once or twice a year.

What makes one ticket more deserving of a seat than another? (ie: The guy is already in his assigned seat....Why bump him or anyone else? Are the people that are waiting without a seat priority?)

 

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

So over booking flights keep cost down?? That's dumb.

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Basic economics isn't dumb to most people.

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Maybe the people who was late for the over booked flight should have been put on a later flight. There was better solutions then ripping a passenger who was on time out of his seat.

Which passengers were late?
Let's hear your better alternative. This should be good.

First, let me explain situations;

Weather related issues caused havoc across the country in terms of available planes and personnel. United had to get a certain number of critical personnel to certain locations by a certain time or else those entire flights would be grounded, thus, making a chain reaction of thousands of passengers not have a flight.

The workaround this is to have a few passengers, selected randomly, get bumped (with $800 and extras included).

So, again, what was your alternative?

 

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

What makes one ticket more deserving of a seat than another? (ie: The guy is already in his assigned seat....Why bump him or anyone else? Are the people that are waiting without a seat priority?)

Most airlines have different classifications. First-class, business, etc. pay much higher fares than economy, thus they are usually exempt from being by bumped in these situations. They pay a higher fee for many conveniences, including this one. If you are at or near the top of an airline's frequent flyer program, you won't have to worry about this issue. If neither of those apply to you, you have a slim chance of being bumped (of course, with reasonable accommodations and pay provided to you).

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

Here is a simple thought. Stop the practice of over booking flights

Fever, you're a smart guy, so I figure you know why they do this, but in case it wasn't taught at Kingston High, they overbook due to very accurate data, wherein they know "x" amount of passengers will likely miss the flight due to various reasons. It could be due to not making it through security on time, your connecting flight is late, you're ill, or perhaps you're stuck in traffic or a business meeting is running over. Therefore, they know (again based on accurate data) they can make more money on overbooking the flight (selling 4 extra tickets), as opposed to having to pay out vouchers to passengers who agree to get off, or in this case, forced off.

 

[wisemaniac]

United needed two pilots & two stewardesses to work a flight in another city, or that flight would have been cancelled. That's why they pulling people from that flight. Not saying they were right to act in the manner they did, but that's why they were pulling people rather than bumping them at the gate.

 

[andy4theherd]

NY Post reporting the Dr. was previously convicted of trading drugs for sex.

will be interesting to see if the public outcry on his behalf dissipates.

 

[i am herdman]

NY Post reporting the Dr. was previously convicted of trading drugs for sex.

will be interesting to see if the public outcry on his behalf dissipates.

United was just handed a gift. Settlement will be much lower now.

 

[andy4theherd]

and it was gay sex too....

 

[i am herdman]

and it was gay sex too....

Oh, the settlement just went back in the guy's favor.

Minority, gay sex. He was born that way and they targeted him. Double whammy.

His lawyer just hit the jackpot

 

[andy4theherd]

Doctor dragged off flight was convicted of trading drugs for sex


The United Airlines passenger who was hauled off an overbooked plane is a poker-playing doctor from Kentucky with a sordid past.

Dr. David Dao, 69, who was captured in a now-viral video being forcibly dragged off the Louisville-bound flight at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport on Sunday, was working as a doctor specializing in pulmonary disease in Elizabethtown when he was convicted of trading prescription drugs for sexual favors.

According to documents filed with the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure, Dao was arrested in 2003 on the drug-related offenses following an undercover investigation.

The board’s probe into the criminal charges found that Dao became sexually interested in a male patient, Brian Case, whom he gave a physical examination to, including a genital examination, and whom he eventually made his office manager.

Case quit that job due to “inappropriate” remarks made by Dao, who then pursued him and arranged to give him prescription drugs in exchange for sexual acts, according to the documents, filed last year.

In 2004, Dao was convicted on a slew of felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud or deceit and was later placed on five years of supervised probation, the Louisville Courier-Journal reported.

Dao and co-defendant Case, identified in the documents by the state medical board as “Patient A,” were both indicted in the case.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

It's legal but it could have been handled by the airline in a different manner. It all comes back to the frequent practice of overbooking flights. It's a gamble for the industry. This CEO who made his comments has been fighting flight attendant and pilot unions since taking the job. He was clearly trying to play to the union employees to earn a little capital with them and it blew up on him.

 

[wisemaniac]

NY Post reporting the Dr. was previously convicted of trading drugs for sex.

will be interesting to see if the public outcry on his behalf dissipates.

I'm not criticizing the guy for his past actions, but does that have a single thing to do with the current situation?

 

[i am herdman]

I'm not criticizing the guy for his past actions, but does that have a single thing to do with the current situation?

From a PR standpoint on his side it does.

 

[andy4theherd]

I'm not criticizing the guy for his past actions, but does that have a single thing to do with the current situation?

I was merely speculating that public outcry will likely dwindle.

 

[Herd Fever]

I have flown a ton in my life. Even flown on overbooked flights. Never did I ever see anyone forced to give up their seat after they have already boarded the flight.

I have seen them ask passagers to give up their seat but if nobody does, they will tell the passenger who was overbooked that they will put him on another flight.

Either way this looks very bad for United.

 

[raleighherdfan]

When an airline representative or flight attendant asked you to do something. It pays to just do it.

Was on a flight from JFK to Portland Maine. The flight attendant asked a passenger to sit at a point during the flight. The passenger became uncooperative. When we landed, the state police were waiting at the plane door, came on the plane and took him off in cuffs.

Like was said earlier. You agree to the terms of the airline when using them. Zero tolerance for assholes in the skies these days.

 

[GreenDuke]

Basic economics isn't dumb to most people.



Which passengers were late?
Let's hear your better alternative. This should be good.

First, let me explain situations;

Weather related issues caused havoc across the country in terms of available planes and personnel. United had to get a certain number of critical personnel to certain locations by a certain time or else those entire flights would be grounded, thus, making a chain reaction of thousands of passengers not have a flight.

The workaround this is to have a few passengers, selected randomly, get bumped (with $800 and extras included).

So, again, what was your alternative?

Please stop making sense, it confuses The Fever,

 

[herdfan429]

Basic economics isn't dumb to most people.



Which passengers were late?
Let's hear your better alternative. This should be good.

First, let me explain situations;

Weather related issues caused havoc across the country in terms of available planes and personnel. United had to get a certain number of critical personnel to certain locations by a certain time or else those entire flights would be grounded, thus, making a chain reaction of thousands of passengers not have a flight.

The workaround this is to have a few passengers, selected randomly, get bumped (with $800 and extras included).

So, again, what was your alternative?

The pilots could hve driven

 

[herdfan429]

United admitted the plane wasn't overbooked

 

[Herd Fever]

United admitted the plane wasn't overbooked

Now that makes things even worse for United.

 

[Marine03]

Uniteds CEO is a very nice guy, maybe too nice for the pressure cooker of a role he's found himself in. I was hoping he'd do better than what he's done so far.

 

[herdfan06]

The pilots could hve driven

Could that not have potentially put them at risk of not meeting the FAAs mandated rest periods?

 

[herdfan06]

United admitted the plane wasn't overbooked

Maybe they were calculating fuel costs into the whole situation.

 

[andy4theherd]

 

[19MU88]

The dude was of Asian decent---the racism phase has yet to show its head. You can be damn sure, it will.

what's this country coming to? can't even slap around an Asian anymore?

 

[wisemaniac]

what's this country coming to? can't even slap around an Asian anymore?

That's the last time I order Chinese carryout from United Airlines...