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The Robert Byrd Removal Is Gaining Momentum

Cool. Let's start with Ronald Reagan:

Early in his political career Reagan opposed every major piece of civil rights legislation adopted by Congress, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
 
Cool. Let's start with Ronald Reagan:

Early in his political career Reagan opposed every major piece of civil rights legislation adopted by Congress, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

This is where this is headed.
 
This is where this is headed.

No it isn't. There's been a knee jerk reaction to the killing at the church, and a knee jerk reaction to the knee jerk reaction. Things will calm down without the earth opening up and swallowing either side of this discussion.
 
In the 1930s Ronald Reagan as a young college football player brought two young black teammates home to stay with him after they were refused lodging in a hotel because of their color. This was a far more noble act in the 1930s if you consider the times. In 1952, as the head of the SAG Reagan made national news when he called for greater opportunities for blacks in the movie industry. In his 1983 speech where he used the famous "evil empire" knock on the Soviets, Reagan railed against “the resurgence of some hate groups preaching bigotry and prejudice” in America. I think you have to consider upbringing and Reagan's father once refused to allow him to watch Birth of a Nation because it glorified the Klu Klux Klan.

The whole Reagan bigotry demonization was an amazingly successful slander job by the Democrats when you consider they give Robert Byrd a pass because of his party affiliation.
 
Did he or did he not vote against those measures? Regardless of what anyone else did.
 
No it isn't. There's been a knee jerk reaction to the killing at the church, and a knee jerk reaction to the knee jerk reaction. Things will calm down without the earth opening up and swallowing either side of this discussion.

Holy cow, we agree.

I truly believe Byrd asked for the Lord's forgiveness, and obviously he changed his politics. You people are idiots.
 
From the Washington Times


The real Reagan record on civil rights

Hollywood’s liberal establishment often claims that freedom of expression creates a more vivid landscape for motion pictures. The desire for artistic liberty in popular films such as “Lincoln,” “Argo” and “Zero Dark Thirty” is said to trump the need for historical accuracy.

However, placing real-life events on the back burner isn’t something to be admired. It provides Tinseltown with ample opportunity to launch further attacks against certain public figures and rewrite history as it sees fit.

We can add Ronald Reagan’s treatment in “The Butler” to the list. This film is a loosely based account of former White House head butler Eugene Allen’s 34-year career (1952-1986). It’s a good movie overall, and will likely be a strong contender at next year’s Oscars.

Naturally, I don’t want to spoil the film’s plot, but I will say this much: When it comes to re-enacting Mr. Allen’s life story in the imaginary guise of Cecil Gaines, played by Forest Whitaker, it would be inaccurate to say that filmmakers think honesty is the best policy.

This is also the case with director Lee Daniels’ offensive portrayal of Reagan’s positions on civil rights (indifferent) and South Africa (uncaring, pseudo-racist). Nothing could be further from the truth. Michael Reagan nicely summed this up in his Aug. 27 Newsmax column: “It’s simply Hollywood liberals wanting to believe something about my father that was never there . Despite what Hollywood’s liberal hacks believe, my father didn’t see people in colors. He saw them as individual Americans.”

Let’s examine the real Reagan record on civil rights.

The late president was a fierce defender of civil rights, both as a Democrat and Republican. He didn’t judge people based on their faiths, backgrounds or skin color. As Reagan wrote in his 1990 autobiography, “An American Life”: “My parents constantly drummed into me the importance of judging people as individuals. There was no more grievous sin at our household than a racial slur or other evidence of religious or racial intolerance.”

When it came to Reagan’s personal convictions, actions always spoke louder than words.

For instance, Eureka College’s football team, which included two black players, had a stopover in Dixon, Ill. After being told by a hotel manager that “[n]o hotel in Dixon is going to take colored boys,” Reagan told the coach to “put me and them in a cab and send us to my house.” When his mother opened the door, she told them to “‘come on in,’ her eyes brightening with a warmth felt by all three of us. She was absolutely colorblind when it came to racial matters; these fellows were just two of my friends.”

What about Reagan’s mild indifference to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and opposing anti-discrimination legislation in California? They were both based on his understandable frustration with massive state intervention. He always supported greater freedom of choice for all individuals, and hiring policies based on merit rather than affirmative action.

In his autobiography, Reagan told several black leaders concerned with his treatment of minorities, “I’ve appointed more blacks to executive and policymaking positions in the state government than all the previous governors of California put together.” When asked why he hadn’t “bragged about it,” he answered, “I was just doing what I thought was right. I think it would have been cheap politics if I’d gone out and started singing a song about it. Besides, they were the best people for the job; I didn’t appoint them just because they were blacks.”

With respect to South Africa, Hollywood doesn’t have the slightest clue about Reagan’s position.

Author and Reagan historian Paul Kengor recently told Paul Bond of The Hollywood Reporter, “Ronald Reagan was appalled by apartheid, but also wanted to ensure that if the apartheid regime collapsed in South Africa that it wasn’t replaced by a Marxist-totalitarian regime allied with Moscow and Cuba that would take the South African people down the same road as Ethiopia, Mozambique and, yes, Cuba. Clearly, blacks in South Africa lost rights under apartheid, but Communism was a far greater infringement . In Communist nations, people were literally lined up and slaughtered — and starved — on mass scales. Has everyone forgotten this?”

No, they haven’t. Hollywood types have simply twisted the truth about Reagan’s personal and political views on race in “The Butler” for their own personal benefit and amusement. Fortunately, they will never change this great president’s powerful history of defending civil rights and personal liberties for all Americans.

Michael Taube is a former speechwriter for Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and a contributor to The Washington Times.
 
Did he or did he not oppose the measures I mentioned? Talk and action are 2 different things.
 
Holy cow, we agree.

I truly believe Byrd asked for the Lord's forgiveness, and obviously he changed his politics. You people are idiots.

The point is you feel compelled to defend Byrd but say nothing in defense of Reagan. Reagan has a documented history that dates to his youth of kind acts and support for blacks. Byrd on the other hand has a history of affiliation with hatred towards blacks. He changed his tune because it benefitted him politically. It would be naive to believe otherwise. And unless God is a democrat then Reagan is as worthy of his grace as Byrd was. And if you judge people by their actions as opposed to their politics, Reagan should be supported far more by democrats than Byrd. But obviously right and wrong doesn't matter when it comes to politics. And I'd bet my life that if Reagan had the exact same affiliations that Byrd had in his youth you wouldn't be talking about God's forgiveness,
 
Holy cow, we agree.

I truly believe Byrd asked for the Lord's forgiveness, and obviously he changed his politics. You people are idiots.

They are attempting to ban Gone with The Wind.

Ever here of what they did with Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer?

The South changed as well and is still being punished and black marked.

I am glad Byrd asked the Lord to forgive him. That is between him and God. That is not what these people are after. The ones you all put in power.
 
Now civil war games in the app store are being taken down bc of the confederate flag.
 
By the way Duke, after rereading my comments they are worded more personal than I intended. I apologize for that. I'm just enjoying the argument.
 
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The whitewashing the media & Democrat party did over Byrd's racism was truly a sight to behold. When Clinton spoke at Byrd's service at the state capital he literally made it sound like joining the Klan, lying about it, getting caught, lying more, filibustering the Civil Right Act, voting against multiple Supreme Court justices simply because they were black, & dropping racial slurs on tv in the 2000's - that's just something West Virginians do. Classic mountain people.

But at least give Clinton credit for at least attempting to whitewash it. The Gazette did an entire section on him & never once mentioned his racist past.

If we're looking at the big picture, the bad far outweighs the good on Byrd's record on racism.
 
I am not so sure the Democrat Party wants a history lesson on their race relations.
 
By the way Duke, after rereading my comments they are worded more personal than I intended. I apologize for that. I'm just enjoying the argument.

Then I will refrain from making my reply in character. ;)

I have no problem overall with Reagan, so I didn't feel compelled to defend him. You did a good enough job at that anyway. If the subject should change to Iran-Contra, I'll pile on.

Byrd had a complicated history, but I do feel he changed as a person. Later in his life and career he pushed legislation to help blacks, which certainly didn't matter shit for votes to him.
 
Tell me how I can escape my past?

What would like me to do, your honor?
 
I've seen multiple petitions now to have Byrd's name removed from buildings & structures in WV.
 
Democrats can reap what they sow on this one.

They started it. Now go all the way.

And take the Supreme Court with you who are treasonous and a thwart to Democracy.
 
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