Think we might need to look into biodegradable plastic
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The problem is that most of it ends up in the ocean. This is Roatan Honduras...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevor...f-plastic-trash-along-coastline/#6c1e555a2524
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevor...f-plastic-trash-along-coastline/#6c1e555a2524
Approximately 93% of the trash in the ocean are coming from 10 rivers in Africa and Asia....
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...contribute-most-of-the-plastic-in-the-oceans/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...contribute-most-of-the-plastic-in-the-oceans/
I have seen a couple of videos showing they are now able to use plastic to make bricks and build houses
Newsflash: Shithole people from shithole countries do shithole things.
Hey! Let's move them to America! Democrats need more voters.
Hey! Let's move them to America! Democrats need more voters.
That looks like Virginia Point when the the Tug Fork, Levisa Fork, and the Big Sandy go into flood.
Beat me to it. Mine was going to be something along the lines of, "And these are the people libs are fighting to bring to America. Yep. Sounds about right."
When I was in Honduras I saw a kid using an old Pennzoil oil bottle as his canteen that he carried to school everyday. Had a string around and that is what he carried his water in. Saw women and children in a pit where the military dumped slop and trash. They were fighting oxen for food scraps.
I am not sure they really are thinking about the ramification of throwing trash in the river and the effects on the ecosystem as a whole. I think they are trying to survive.
I am not sure they really are thinking about the ramification of throwing trash in the river and the effects on the ecosystem as a whole. I think they are trying to survive.
West Virginia has one of the worst air pollution numbers in the country and one of the worst water pollution numbers in the country. Shithole people permeate that state.
Exactly. These are the people who are thrilled to risk their safety in order to travel 1000 miles to get manual labor jobs for $5/hour so they can simply have the very basic of necessities.
Rifle is hitting the nail on the head here. This is a poverty and education issue. Read this comment from a Guatemalan that commented on this. Someone asked him why the country didn't place a deposit on their refuse...
"hi! Guatemalan here. We have bottle deposits for glass, and it's about $0.25 per bottle. This isn't necessarily the issue in this case.
My country does not have any sort of program in place to curtail the use of plastic. To be honest, we don't have much of a program for anything. Our president sleeps on the job (it's not a joke, go look it up), is a well-known alcoholic with a violent temper, and makes Donny boy look like a goddamn Rhodes Scholar.
My people lack the education and resources to move away from single use plastic. Average income for these people is about $12 monthly, which they use to feed and clothe themselves and their children, plus pay rent and for any utilities they have. Most of these small villages don't have any way to manage trash, they just pile it up until it rains. If you're in the city, you can recycle plastic bottles for money, but it's far from enough to make a living. If you're outside of the city, you won't find a recycling plant.
It's winter here now, and with the volcano ash, the amount of trash that's usually a problem has increased several times over because of rescue efforts.
What's the solutions? Education, please. The average Guatemalan has maybe an elementary school education, and no prospects for improvement. Please don't send us more Jehova's Witnesses, send us textbooks and help us build schools.
I'm a bit better off than most of the country, so I have a scholarship fund that I've set up for girls and boys from these marginalized communities to attend school and help them improve their situations. The capital city, and most densely populated city, only has 18% of the population, so the overwhelming majority of the country still lives in rural areas like this."
"hi! Guatemalan here. We have bottle deposits for glass, and it's about $0.25 per bottle. This isn't necessarily the issue in this case.
My country does not have any sort of program in place to curtail the use of plastic. To be honest, we don't have much of a program for anything. Our president sleeps on the job (it's not a joke, go look it up), is a well-known alcoholic with a violent temper, and makes Donny boy look like a goddamn Rhodes Scholar.
My people lack the education and resources to move away from single use plastic. Average income for these people is about $12 monthly, which they use to feed and clothe themselves and their children, plus pay rent and for any utilities they have. Most of these small villages don't have any way to manage trash, they just pile it up until it rains. If you're in the city, you can recycle plastic bottles for money, but it's far from enough to make a living. If you're outside of the city, you won't find a recycling plant.
It's winter here now, and with the volcano ash, the amount of trash that's usually a problem has increased several times over because of rescue efforts.
What's the solutions? Education, please. The average Guatemalan has maybe an elementary school education, and no prospects for improvement. Please don't send us more Jehova's Witnesses, send us textbooks and help us build schools.
I'm a bit better off than most of the country, so I have a scholarship fund that I've set up for girls and boys from these marginalized communities to attend school and help them improve their situations. The capital city, and most densely populated city, only has 18% of the population, so the overwhelming majority of the country still lives in rural areas like this."
True. I don't blame them for trying. That doesn't mean we should let all of them in.
It doesn't mean we should have a system that forces them to wait ten years to legally be here either. Thanks for agreeing that major immigration reform is needed, much like you guys previously agreed that major gun reform was needed last year.
At the end of the day some personal accountability has to be taken. No matter how poor or uneducated you are, throwing your waste on the ground or into a river an action of a piece of shit human. We have plenty of pieces of shit humans in America already, we don't need to import more of them with their terrible values.
Keep people from shithole countries out of the US unless they have at minimum a bachelors degree.
Keep people from shithole countries out of the US unless they have at minimum a bachelors degree.
I couldn't agree more. Doesn't it p*** you off when people lack personal accountability and screw up the environment for everyone else. For example those third world sh**holes who profit from coal.
At the end of the day and all...
At the end of the day and all...
Agree about the WV air pollution. But we seem to be the punching bag for everyone on that subject. But what's Cali's excuse? I was just in LA on business and their smog issues are pretty bad - like a brown haze hanging over the valley. We gotta get this fixed!
What is sad is seeing the trash "islands" in the Pacific and other oceans where it just conglomerates and drifts.
It's already so much better than it used to be. Go look at photos of LA smog in the 70s. Valleys are tricky, they hold in the air when a cap is in place (that's an inversion for you non-storm chasers). We have the same issue here in Louisville. But, just as with LA, our smog is so much better than it was when I was a kid.
As a kid in the 70s who grew up in chemical valley, I agree with this 100%. As much as EPA restrictions are costly to businesses (they are), you can’t argue the impact that has been made. I really don’t want to go backwards. We can politicize this all we want, but clean air, water, and land should be desired by both sides.
On WV's behalf. Waters like the Big Coal and Little Coal rivers are coming back nicely. Both now hold populations of Smallmouth bass and other game fish where as 20 years ago or so, they were basically dead except for Carp. Paint Creek and others are the same way, coming back and the state is much better for it.
I couldn't agree more. Doesn't it p*** you off when people lack personal accountability and screw up the environment for everyone else. For example those third world sh**holes who profit from coal.
At the end of the day and all...
Couldn't agree more. There should be very harsh penalties for pollution and even litter. I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a "gotcha," as if I'm a proponent of environmental destruction. I personally have spearheaded many litter pick-ups around town, and I spend many hours each year cleaning up litter. I'd love to export the littering hillbillies around here to Guatemala to be with their like-minded brethren.
You have no vehicles. You live, eat, work, and sleep in the same little area. What you can't do is put your waste where you live, eat, work, and sleep.
What else do you suggest those living in extreme poverty to do? They don't exactly have curbside pickup or valet trash service. In order for their area not to be impacted, and so that they can continue to live in at least not a completely trashed little village, the easiest thing to do is to send the waste down river.
It's important to put yourself in their shoes.
Not a gotcha moment at all. I can’t imagine anyone being for pollution. My point is simple...it isn’t only the poor and uneducated in shithole countries that are polluters. The rich who skirt environmental rules for the sake of profit are just as guilty and which side of the border a person is from doesn’t change that fact. I’ll bet most of them have their bachelors degree too.
So my post has nothing to do with calling out a hypocrisy and I applaud your cleanup efforts. But to call the poor in other countries “shithole people” is a simplistic view. The country has very little infrastructure. Like the guy I quoted above said, these people live on very little money. Most in rural areas have no transportation or access to transportation. Waste management companies as well as landfills don’t exist for most of the population. So the trash gets piled up or taken to clandestine trash dumps. The rains come and the rising water will take most of the trash with it. The clip in the OP certainly isn’t from people standing on the side of the stream and throwing in their empty beer can.
Now...on the $12 a month the guy above was talking about...how would you dispose of it? And how much of an education can you buy with what’s left? You certainly aren’t going to get that bachelors degree.
I’m not a proponent of letting everyone in either. I believe there should be a process that sorts out the wheat from the chaff. Labeling those who are victims of their situation at birth “shithole people” is just a bit callous to me.
